Uatu is dreaming everything
After seeing a crew of human astronauts die pointlessly, Uatu has constructed an elaborate fantasy world. Unfortunately, he can't keep everything straight and keeps involving characters who are already dead in his imagination. This leads him to continual revisions, which become more complex, requiring further revisions.
- You know, this type of theory is really lazy. And it's gotten rather annoying to see it everywhere. It's not clever, it's not dark, it's lame. Can you really not try harder?
Captain America's death will be changed to that of someone else through Retcon
In a few years, the Captain who died will be posthumously revealed as a low-level mutant who used the identity. Around the same time, the real
Captain America will be thawed out, and the mess of his life and death before will be given an unsatisfying Hand Wave
- Nope. This is very similar to an earlier explanation of how Captain America was active after his apparent death near the end of WW 2, but they went a different route with his most recent death.
Captain America will be resurrected by Uatu the Watcher.
This is unlikely to be confirmed, but it should happen this way.
It's never been done before. The Watchers have a strict non-interference policy that Uatu has
bent in the past, but not on this scale. It's easy, and it won't require anyone to go digging through back issues to see how it was totally
all "set up" before Civil War
even started. And Cap deserves a to be a bit of a Christ figure.
Captain America will be resurrected by use of a Cosmic Cube.
It makes sense to end it as it started. And it will make it have all the good things about being "set up" while avoiding all the pitfalls.
The Captain America who died was a Skrull sleeper agent.
Seriously guys, with the Secret Invasion thing, what else do you expect?
- Oddly enough, The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes seems like they're going to be using this as a plot point for Season 2. We even see Cap appearing to be dead (or knocked out...) as he's replaced by the Skrull!Cap.
Iron Man never left the Skrull ship in New Avengers: Illuminati.
Civil War and Secret Invasion have all happened in his head
The shield's unique composition is because of a Freak Lab Accident
; the "Lab Rat" monitoring the shield fell asleep, and an "unknown factor" caused it to become indestructible. Trying to re-create this led to the development of Adamantium by Myron Mclain. Lady Deathstrike goes back in time to try to stop the Shield from being made so that no Westerner has the means to create Adamantium, leaving her father the true inventor. Wolverine, or another Adamantium-using individual, stops her, and while doing so dips his claws (or Deathstrike's) into the shield mix, adding Adamantium, thus ensuring that the Shield is invulnerable and that Adamantium is invented right on schedule.
The reason only Cap can throw it like he does, and the reason its molecules are "the weirdest of all".
Johnny Storm will eventually join the Avengers.
Reed, Sue and Ben have already been members, and that sort of jealousy can't last too long without being acted upon.
- Much as I would enjoy seeing a mildly darker Johnny Storm (as he is depressed about being the only non-avenger member of the Fantastic Four), he's kinda dead.
- An aspect of The Living Tribunal/The One Above All.
- A Time Lord.
- An Angel of some sort.
- Balder. (The two have light based power sets).
- A dream of the Scarlet Witch.
- A sentient cosmic cube.
- A construct created by the Void.
- An incarnation of the Phoenix Force, which would explain a lot (the insanely powerful telepathy, the inability to die unless he wants to, the energy projection, the occasional bouts of batshit insanity, the costume colouring which just so happens to mirror that of one of Jean Grey's costumes...)
- From Earth-Prime. Like Superboy Prime, he was a fan of comics (in this case the Avengers instead of Superman) and somehow entered the comic book world he loves. As stories of Earth-Prime show that when a real person enters a fictional universe, they become a god. Like Superboy Prime, the power went to his head. Unlike Superboy-Prime, he's completely aware Earth-Prime still exists, the effects he'd have on fictional universes, and entered the Marvel universe willingly. This knowledge allows Sentry to ignore any writer's attempt to make him anything but a god(unlike Superboy-Prime, who's written as a stress ball against the complaining fanbase), though the writers loving Sentry certainly helped make him so beloved.
- The Anthropomorphic Personification of the Mary Sue trope.
Avengers: Disassembled was a shattering event that almost destroyed Earth's mightiest heroes. So was publication of “Seduction Of The Innocent”. Scarlet Witch went mad, just as Wertham was claiming kids reading comics may. This was the end of Golden Age
New Avengers was beginning of the Silver Age
. Looks at first Avengers rooster (after adding Cap) – four greatest heroes of that days – Captain America
, Iron Man
, The Mighty Thor
, The Incredible Hulk
, and two additional heroes – Ant-Man and Wasp. New Avengers? Captain America
, Iron Man
– four most popular heroes, Luke Cage and Spider-Woman – additional male and female members. Next upgrade of classic Avengers were Hawkeye, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch – Badass Normal
and at last one very powerful person. New Avengers got Ronin
Everything that happened from Civil War
to Secret Invasion
was a metaphor od Bronze Age
, where far more serious themes were introduced in comics, including pollitical commentary. So we got commentary on 9/100 and Patriot Act and terrorism. Sure, it was done poorly, but still.
is Dark Age
in this equation. Suddenly people starts to love the villain and wants to give their safety in his hands, just like comics fans wanted more “dark” and “edgy” superheroes in the 90's. Dark Avengers
roster contains Sentry, who serves as a Deconstruction
of classic superheo and symbol of superheroes taking darker routes, four psychopaths in heroes' costumes, as symbol of very much loved back then Anti-Hero Substitute
, Ares, who shares many traits of Nineties Anti-Hero
, and Noh-Varr – who is a symbol of all those naïve, young superheroes who were hanging out with all those jerks and run away, when they realized who's they're dealing with. Siege and Osborn's downfall is an end of Dark Age
and start of Modern Age
, which will be Heroic Age
Madeline Berry is a mutant.
Her powers first appear when she's a teenager and under great stress, and she has no conscious control over them at first. There's also no explanation, even in comic book logic, for why she has them. Obviously she's a mutant, with almost the same power as Dust from the X-Men. This raises the question of why none of the people who were hunting for mutants ever found her. But Norman Osbourne had a obvious motivation to keep her secret from both the X-Men and the mutant haters, and the resources to do it.
Eric O'Grady/Ant-Man isn't really dead and will become the Black Ant
At the end of the Descendants arc of Secret Avengers O'Grady is shown taking orders from Father, implying he's been replaced by a Descendant. However in SA #29 he's shown talking to the Wasp Descendant who says "You sound hesitant. I'd hate to think you were doing this against your wishes." He claims it's nothing like that. She then tells him how wonderful the future she comes from is and that what O'Grady does will shape the future of humanity. O'Grady later tells Venom "We all make mistakes", which might not only refer to his checkered past but his current role as a double agent. As for Black Ant, future solicits show that a character named "Black Ant" will be appearing in the book, allegedly as a villain. Also, an Ant-Man is getting a feature story in the Marvel Now! Point One comic, and since Hank Pym is currently Giant Man and Scott Lang is going to be appearing in Defenders, I suspect it's O'Grady, and that the story might actually be about Black Ant. Therefore, I predict that the O'Grady in the book is currently the real one, and for one reason or another, will become the Black Ant, maybe as a way to make people think he's a villain while actually being a good guy.
Coulson's Cellist girlfriend was performing in Germany.
- But Coulson clearly said she moved to Portland, Oregon.
Legal/studio/rights issues aside...
- It's tremendously satisfying to imagine all of Marvel's heroes in New York fighting the invasion in their own ways. Tobey or Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man, Hugh Jackman and the X-team, even Affleck's Daredevil—and all of them kicking as much as as they possibly can.
All-purpose theories for characters in Avengers 2
No theory is too outlandish, nothing is out of bounds.
I have no idea how they would iron out the legal difficulties surrounding this
- The Silver Surfer, as mentioned below, will show up as The Cavalry when the team goes up against Thanos. They'd have to buy the rights to him from 20th Century Fox, but it wouldn't feel like a Thanos movie without the Surfer.
- The Vision will appear, either as an original character or as a resurrected Phil Coulson, possibly as his LMD.
- Hank Pym and The Wasp, if only to quiet the fans who weren't happy about them not appearing in this movie.
- Ironically among the fans upset about that was Joss Whedon himself, so they'll no doubt be in the sequel, or at least the third film.
- Captain Mar-Vell or Ms. Marvel. Since the sequel is definitely going interplanetary, it would make sense to include the Kree as alien allies of Earth. At the very least, Carol Danvers will likely be introduced as one of the team's higher-ups at SHIELD.
- She-Hulk, if only to pad out the team's female characters, or to act as an upbeat foil for Bruce Banner.
- Doctor Strange will introduce elements of magic into the mostly sci-fi themed Marvel Cinematic Universe, and will ultimately use a spell to help turn the tide against Thanos.
- Disney's movie wiki states that a Doctor Strange movie is being planned. No release year is set though.
- Black Panther will be introduced as a powerful African monarch who will become the team's ally when they (inevitably) get involved in some kind of international intrigue. Midway through, they'll discover that he's a powerful warrior in his own right.
- Spider-Man, if The Amazing Spider-Man is part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This is the real reason the franchise was rebooted.
- Ultron will be one of the new villains if the above Hank Pym theory becomes reality.
- Howard the Duck will be redeemed from his last cinematic adventure.
- Goliath. BECAUSE IT MUST HAPPEN!
- Hey, he and The Avengers are owned by the same company now. You never know...
- Deadpool. Thanos seemed pretty happy at the idea of "courting death" and he, Deadpool and Death did have a love triangle once. Deadpool's gonna show up and fight for his antromorphic personification girl!
- Squirrel Girl, because Thanos, Galactus or any other Avengers-size threat will think twice if faced with endless squirrels.
- Mockingbird, as she's both A) Massively underused and unappreciated, and B) is a relatively petite, snarky badass fighter who fits Joss Whedon's usual character mold perfectly.
- Taskmaster, same reason as Bobbi: Needs More Love. Also because he would be AWESOME to see in Live Action. Maybe he'll be The Dragon to the Big Bad, whoever the Big Bad is.
- Tigra, she needs more love too. Plus She's great in the fanservice department.
- I don't think that's a viable reason for inclusion.
- The Sentry will be the Big Bad of Avengers III, created as a military attempt at a superhero who can stand up to Thor and the Hulk.
, but come on...it just wouldn't feel right with Thanos as the villain
but without the Silver Surfer
. Then again, considering Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
wasn't exactly a resounding success, 20th Century Fox probably isn't that desperate to hold onto the movie rights to the character. If they really wanted to, the guys at Marvel Studios could probably buy the rights to him. And a role in Avengers 2
would probably be a good lead-in to a solo Silver Surfer
- I had heard that Fox was indeed trying to reboot the fantastic four. So this one looks unlikely for the near future.
- Potentially not likely. I forget what was the reason, but Marvel couldn't use Silver Surfer in the World War Hulk animated movie. It's also possible that Fox may try to continue using the Fantastic Four license to cash in on Marvel's successes. Or they could choose to be jerks and hold onto the rights as long as possible just for spite. Wouldn't be the first time a company has secured production rights just to sit on them.
- Apparently, Marvel is willing to extend Fox's film rights for Daredevil in exchange for the Silver Surfer and Galactus. It's not likely, but at least Marvel is considering using the characters.
Jane Foster wasn't being protected from Loki
Jane Foster was put in protective custody to protect her from Joss Whedon
. We know how he feels about happy relationships.
Director Fury's superiors...
Are the Commission on Superhuman Activities, Mark Gruenwald's famous Omniscient Council of Vagueness
from the 80s Cap comics. Just 'cause.
- Thanos having been revealed as the Bigger Bad opens the door for more cosmic characters to show up, and the one that has the most history with both the Avengers and Thanos is Mar-Vell. Mar-Vell would obviously be a war leader for the Kree, but becomes an ally to the Avengers against Thanos. However, he does not join the team proper, and instead, during the events of the film, a former Air Force and currrent SHIELD pilot by the name of Carol Danvers gets caught in the crossfire and ends up with powers, becoming Ms. Marvel and joining the team. Not only would she be a powerful new addition to the team, it'd also give the team a new female member(and one with superpowers, at that), which the team desperately needs since right now there's only Black Widow. The team's a super-powered sausagefest right now. Oh, and for the record, she should be played by Jaime Pressly, who has the looks, physique and attitude, and the costume should be the classic black and gold with the red sash.
- This does make sense, and Marvel has been pushing Ms Marvel quite hard in recent years.
Tony will be revealed to be a Captain America fanboy.
Possibly due to Howard telling him some old war stories about the "Star Spangled Man with a Plan".
- Apparently, going by some interviews with the cast, it seems that Tony won't be filling this role (and then again, if the "Genius Billionaire Philantrophist" scene is any indication, we'll have a more "complex" relationship with Steve/Tony), and that Agent Phil Coulson will be revealed to be a huge Captain America nerd.
- Sorta Jossed. At first he doesn't seem to take him seriously, even remarking how unconvinced he is after his father constantly talked about him. By the end though, he at least seems to respect Cap.
Hawkeye is going to betray the rest of the team about halfway through.
Only to be brought back to the side of the Avengers near the climax. I don't have much in the way of evidence, it's just a feeling I'm getting from the trailers and the released info about him.
- The movie storybook seems to support the idea of a Brainwashed and Crazy Hawkeye, mentioning that he falls under the control of Loki at one point.
- Half Jossed, half confirmed. He's Brainwashed and Crazy at the beginning, but by the latter half is freed from his control.
And the plot will be as close to Siege
as possible without having either Spider-Man or Norman Osborn in it. Yes, this means Loki dies to stop the Void (in a "My God, What Have I Done?" moment after having schemed to create it)
- Jossed. Loki is the villain. His closest ally is the Other, the leader of the Chitauri, who is taking orders from a Bigger Bad, revealed in the post-credits scene to be Thanos.
At one point, the Villains will have basically won- New York will be a occupied territory, S.H.I.E.L.D. and the U.S. Military will be on the run, the President will have been sent to a undisclosed location, countries around the world will be surrendering in fears they will be next, etc. The climax will be the Avengers' last-ditch effort, intended to either save the world or take out Loki trying.
- Hence why Tony says that while the team might not be able to save the world, they'll be sure to avenge it.
- Jossed. They win in the end, and even though Nick Fury's higher-ups question how dangerous a team like the Avengers will be, it is not fully explored in the end.
In the film, Thor will arrive via Arc Reactor.
Red Skull is disintegrated when the Cosmic Cube goes category-five apeshit, with a beam of light shooting into the sky when the technology supporting it
is destroyed by Cap's shield. The result is a portal into what Thor's movie showed to be the Yggdrasil between Asgard and Jotunheim (or Earth)
, and it's very heavily implied (almost insultingly so) that the Cosmic Cube is the very same element that Tony Stark discovered to complete the Arc Reactor (which, coincidentally, conveniently explains how his palladium poisoning was cured so fast: funny things, godly toys...)
. To wrap up, in Iron Man
, Stane was KO'd when Pepper blew the reactor, resulting in a beam of light shooting into the sky. With the application of the [Cosmic] Cube element with equipment powerful enough to harness it, we have us a man-made Bifrost Bridge
- Except, the novelization of Iron Man 2 states that the element Tony discovered was vibranium. The vibranium itself may have been created with, or contain, [a fraction of] the power (or similar power) of the Cosmic Cube. Also, the Cosmic Cube is an object, while vibranium is an element.
- The idea of Tony discovering vibranium is further supported in The Avengers when both Tony's internal reactor and Cap's shield are shown to be capable of resisting Asgardian energy.
- Maybe it was Vibranium and he just pumped it full of arc reactor energy or something like that. Isn't vibranium supposed to be able to absorb ungodly amounts of energy?
- Well, godly energy too but I get your point.
- A/The Arc Reactor may still be responsible for bringing Thor back to Earth. Though destroyed at the end of Iron Man, it could have been rebuilt...and, re-destroyed? How else, other than by being destroyed, could the Arc Reactor create a portal between Midgard (Earth) and Asgard?
- Though not confirmed to appear in the first movie, Jane Foster could still have completed her research - which would probably lead to finding or creating new paths between Asgard and Earth.
- Maybe she's kidnapped in the first movie - and that would be something driving Thor. Maybe she will be rescued at the end of the first (in a cameo), or in the second (be part of the cast).
- As happens in the comics, Asgard (with Thor) could appear in the sky, floating above some place on Earth. That could be a reason people (especially those not discharging weapons) were looking at the sky, in the trailer.
- Jossed. Thor arrives through a different way. Not entirely sure though as the dialogue wasn't made clear.
- Loki quickly said that Odin must have conjured enough power or magic to bring Thor to earth.
- Specifically, he said that Odin must have scrounged hard to find enough "dark energy" to send Thor to Earth.
There will be more than one returning villain in The Avengers, and they'll be teaming up with Loki.
didn't get vaporized at all; he was warped to Asgard
instead. If the team of heroes is an All-Star Cast
, shouldn't the team of villains be, too?
- To add further credence to this theory: in the first full trailer, around the 0:56 mark, there is a jet shown, which looked quite like the jet the Red Skull built in Captain America: The First Avenger.
- I'm pretty sure that's the Quinn jet.
- Jossed, kind of. Skull is out, as are the other villains people went with - the Skrulls, but another alien race is hinted at. Leading to...
- Jossed. Loki is the only returning villain.
The alien army Loki will have will be the Frost Giants
If one considers extradimensional beings as aliens, Loki's army could be the Jotun: he cons them into thinking Thor and Odin are responsible for the Bifrost Massacre, and convinces them to attack Midgard in revenge. He hates the Jotun as well, but they don't need to know that - I can totally see Loki being the sort of person who wouldn't care which bystanders and nameless pawns die in the conflict - human, Aesir or Jotun - as long as he sees those he hates pay as much as possible and acquires his aims.
- The Assemble trailer gives a few brief shots of the aliens and they do indeed look very much like frost giants. That would make sense seeing as how the portal that Loki fell into at the end of Thor was connected to Jotunheim. Where they got lasers and space planes however remains a mystery. It's also possible that the army he is referring to is the Kree. Or Red Skull really did survive and now makes a living selling Hydra stuff to the frost giants. (This ties in nicely to my "Red Skull wound up on Jotunheim" Theory actually.)
- One of the aliens faces is shown in the "Head Count" Tv spot and they are definitely not frost giants. I'm also doubting they are the Kree at this point. Someone in the comments of an earlier trailer made the claim that they were dark elves but thats a youtube comment so it should probably be taken with a very large grain of salt.
At some point in the movie, Steve will talk to Tony about Howard.
And he will tell him "[y]ou're a lot like him". Maybe insultingly at first, but the next time will be a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming
- Jossed Fury does mention Howard to Steve, and Tony discusses Howard to Banner after not being impressed by Steve, but Steve and Tony don't talk about it amongst themselves.
Black Widow and Hawkeye will have a romantic subplot in this movie.
They had a relationship in the comics, albeit one that ended very badly, and they're the two Avengers we know the least about. It stands to reason they'll have a good storyline of their own.
- All the other characters already have love interests, so that seems very likely.
- Except, Cap missed his date with his love interest When he went to sleep, about seventy years ago. Of course, there is also Maria Hill. Or, maybe, Cap chooses to remain... Single.
- Cap has Sharon Carter, who appeared at the end of his movie, though she may hold off appearing in order to show up in the Captain America sequel. Anyways, this WMG is pretty much confirmed by Word of God, sort of. According to the actors, Hawkeye and Widow had a prior relationship that Hawkeye "clings to."
- Beautifully Jossed by Scarlett Johannson herself — "There's no time for romance, we have shit to Avenge."
- While this is true, there being no full-blown romantic drama going on between them, there was major implication that their history and relationship goes a bit deeper than the average friendship...
It was implied that she started learning the spying/assassin business as a kid. Traditionally when potentials are taken from their homes. It's not impossible that the Soviet/Russian government got hold of the spell to detect potentials and used it to find and train potentials, so at the very least they would have one Slayer assassin. If Black Widow as born in the mid eighties, she would have been caught in the mass activation. Also, Black Widow frequently shows superhuman physical abilities, such as surviving being smashed into a wall by the Hulk, and shows a supernatural talent for weapons aptitude (note the fact that she immediately master the Chitauri staff weapon, which is very much like the scythe of the Slayer).
The Wasp will appear, if not in the first, in a second Avengers movie.
And her tendency, in the comics, to switch costumes a lot, each one more flamboyant than the other, will provide an excellent opportunity for an Actor Allusion
. Which young female celebrity has a similarly bizarre fashion sense
- Lady Gaga as Wasp? No. God, no.
- I think they would use Nicki Minaj as Wasp.
- How about Lucy Liu for wasp?
- I SECOND THIS. I SECOND THIS FOREVEEER.
- Is it? Did you look Really hard? Shes hard to spot sometimes.
Think about it logically. Granted, Spidey wasn't in the original line up for the Avengers...but The Avengers
is out in 2012, and so is The Amazing Spider-Man
; it makes sense that they ask Andrew Garfield
to do a spot of filming alongside RDJ
and Chris Evans
; they could have Spidey act like a fanboy around Tony and Steve; Tony cause he's a technological genius, and Steve cause he's... Well Captain America
. He could even phone Gwen after and say "[Hey Gwen, guess what? I just met CAPTAIN AMERICA!" And for one more tip of the hat, if the Avengers takes place after the events of TASM, then Spidey could have his original red and blue costume on.
- Wouldn't work. Marvel Studios doesn't have the rights to Spider-Man or X-Men, which kinda puts a wrench into the works.
- X-Men First Class may or may not be in continuity with these films (they sure as hell aren't in continuity with the other X-men films), but it's not outright stated. It's possible that future Spider-Man and X-Men films will make reference to the Avengers or the the events of this film without the characters actually showing up, at least not until Marvel can get the rights to them back.
- Further jossed based on commentary from The Incredible Hulk. They had asked Sony if they could use Empire State University, but Sony declined. They also asked if they could have Spider-Man swing by in the background of a scene or just have Tobey Maguire standing in a crowd scene. Both were declined, so the likelihood of Sony connecting Amazing Spider-Man with a rival company is improbable.
- Well since Marvel were willing to put the Oscorp Tower from The Amazing Spider Man' into the MCU New York skyline alongside Stark Tower, it's possible that something further down the line could be arranged...
Someone very important will die in an absolutely heartwrenching way
Joss Whedon is directing. Try not to get too attached to anyone.
- My money's on Coulson.
- I'm skeptical. In interviews, Marvel Studios has mentioned potential interest in a spinoff TV show starring him. He's the "logical" candidate, from a Whedon writing philosophy perspective, but I'm dubious of Marvel actually approving such.
- Jossed on Coulson, his actor confirmed he would make it out of this one. On the other hand, Hawkeye seems to have a patent on getting killed...
- I don't think even Whedon would be heartless enough to kill a major superhero in his very first film. Even if he is, I feel that Marvel wouldn't be cool with it.
- Some leaked set-pictures and -videos seemed to show Cap looking hurt, while fighting alongside Thor, possibly in a scene seen in the trailer. Well, it was a video taken of them shooting a scene, so there were no effects (as in blood and stuff). [Here and here.]
- I'm going to bet and say that it's going to be Loki in a case of Redemption Equals Death.
- I doubt it. It may seem that way, but as comic!Loki said, "After all, the first thing a sorcerer of quality learns is to make himself as difficult to kill as possible."
- Confirmed Coulson, in an attempt to stall Loki from flinging Thor out of the Hellicarier, is stabbed to death by Loki. Everyone is saddened by the loss, even Tony, who at first berates Coulson for being an idiot, but later shows that he too was sorry.
- Actually, Jossed. Word of God is he lives.
- Yeah, well, that wouldn't be the first time Joss Whedon has lied.
- Maybe it was Nick Fury that lied. He did lie about the cards being in Coulson's pocket, why not lie about Coulson's death too? We don't actually see the Medics declare his death; we only hear about it from Fury. We also never see a scene portraying his funeral.
The Avengers will go on an epic bender
is a connoisseur of spirits and 2 near
. Thor is a Boisterous Bruiser
given to the celebratory tub of meed. Widow is Russian
. Cap doesn't get drunk
. I mean, come on!
- What about The Hulk? When his pulse rises, no one is likely to like him. Of course, he could be the designated driver.
- Technically, that should be Cap, but maybe he still gets a high blood-alcohol level despite never getting drunk.
- They definitely should! And maybe do something stupid, too?
- "Whoa, whoa Hulk— whiskey's probably not the best thing for you. You know, I bet that temper of yours would qualify for medical marijuana..."
- I am trying to imagine Bruce and Steve as the straight men to the entire rest of the team.
- Jossed. There is an after-party of sorts in The Stinger, but it's the Avengers sitting in a partially ruined cafe eating shawarma. It's hilariously awkward.
- Steve's just woken up after being good friends with Howard Stark who's slightly off, but still a good and loyal friend, only to find that his son is just similar enough to evoke painful memories while being this insensitive arrogant brat. Naturally it will take a while for Steve to warm up to Tony and see him as more than a flawed version of his old friend!
- Jossed. Steve has other issues at first for working with Tony. Howard isn't even brought up in their arguments.
- Actually, it's entirely possible that this was true, if internalized. Steve really doesn't like Tony at first, and Tony has a bit of a sibling rivalry complex with Steve—his dad had such respect and affection for this man, yet didn't show any towards Tony.
The Avengers will leave S.H.I.E.L.D.
- The events of the first movie will cause the Avengers to quit in order to work as an autonomous group.
- Alternately, S.H.I.E.L.D. will consider the Avengers a failure for one reason or another (probably against Fury's wishes) and shut the program down, but Tony and/or Cap will basically say "You can't fire me, I quit!" and reform the group, making it operate out of a Stark-owned mansion in NYC.
- Jossed. The group goes their separate ways without SHIELD knowing their whereabouts, but Fury is confident that the group will come back together again should the dire need arise.
Every Genre Savvy
viewer is well-aware of Joss's love for killing off one of the main character, especially in Film franchises. And Joss is well-aware that most viewers are aware of this
, so he's going to screw with the audience and have someone killed off before the mid-way point...only for it turn out to be Disney Death
. Then he's going to "kill off
" someone who can't die, because they'll be future movies, but then it will look like they really are dead... only for them to turn up in a Big Damn Heroes moment
He definitely seems to eye bang her in the trailer which I can not blame him for in the slightest
but this troper saw a video on set of Johansson
wearing what looks like a bright red bed robe. Given who we are talking about
this is probably going to end very poorly for him. And it might also give us some nice Fanservice
- Jossed. Loki merely is impressed by Widow's stealth, but Loki does prey on her emotions.
Cap will be the one who gets to shout "AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!" in the film's climax.
In the comics, whenever that iconic phrased is uttered, it's usually Cap who says it to rally his fellow Avengers against whatever threat they're facing. And given the nature of the threat they're facing, just imagine how freaking amazing it would be to see the Avengers, believed to be beaten and on their last rungs, suddenly rallying together when Captain frigging America shouts out "AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!", thus leading to an-all out epic finale to the movie. I can see many fans rejoicing in the theatres with that one scene.
- Jossed. The line is not mentioned at all.
Cap and Thor will clash over how to handle Loki
Cap wants to stop him, Thor wants to protect him. Possibly Cap will come around to Thor's side, as he once had a surrogate brother (Bucky) who he had lost.
- Then Tony will build an inter-planetary/dimensional communication device, they phone Odin and Loki get's grounded. The rest of the movie is the Avengers hanging out in the break room.
- Which will be then followed by the Avengers having to fight the Hulk, who gets angry after some minor incident (involving Tony?), which then becomes a full blown fight.
Jenny Agutter's character is Peggy's daughter
- Possibly Falsworth's, too, for maximum Britishness.
- Jossed. She's apparently gonna play a Obstructive Bureaucrat character that's with the "World Security Council".
- Assuming she's human, she's got to have parents. Two of them.
Steve will respond to Tony's 'Playboy Genius' boast with an armor-piercing statement
- It'll probably be something pertaining to Tony's father, and might be a bit harsh, but fair.
- Respond he did. He knew men with none of that worth ten of Tony.
Thor vs. Steve happens because...
- A classic superhero misunderstanding on the part of Cap, who's tasked with dealing with the supposed threat by Nick Fury.
- If Skrulls are indeed involved, the scene possibly involves either Cap or Thor being a Skrull, thus the fight.
- In the comics, Loki is known for his mind manipulation, and the situation in the forest could be our favorite Magnificent Bastard Norse God of Lies doing his usual thing in tricking Cap that Thor's an enemy to be taken down.
- Jossed. According to the movie tie-in storybook Thor frees Loki from Cap and Iron Man's custody, so Iron Man goes to confront Thor and have a huge fight that ends when Cap steps in.
- Just a guess, but we don't know whether Iron Man is part of the Avengers at this point. This may be the point where Tony unofficially states he's one of the Avengers, while staring down Loki!
One or more of the following CMOH will show up
- Mr. Stark and Captain Rogers referring to each other as 'Steve' and 'Tony' for the first time.
- Someone making arrangements for Steve to go to England to be reunited with Peggy.
- That depends if they managed to get Hayley Atwell to reprise her role in a surprise cameo. Or, if need be, they can simply imply that Steve goes to meet Peggy at the end. (With the second option, you can easily do the "full" version of the scene in Captain America 2 for those that want closure.)
- Or Steve goes to England to visit Peggy at the beginning of the movie, having put it off since waking up, only to find that she has died shortly before arrival.
- Not quite heartwarming.
- One of the tie-in books reveal that Peggy is still alive and well, though.
- Thor helping Cap up, accepting the mortal as an equal and worthy warrior at last.
- We've already seen a snippet of that in the Super Bowl ad, so we're just awaiting full context of that scene.
- Loki's Heel Realization.
- Nope, he fakes it so he can stab Thor.
The giant dragon thing at the end of the latest trailer is...
- Fin Fang Foom?
- Midgardian Serpent, given that it's Loki heading up the attack...
- The enemy invaders' warship/weapon of mass destruction.
- Fin Fang Foom is its name and it's also the Midgardian Serpent and its involvement means a Ragnarok plot for Thor 2.
- A lost Decepticon from the Transformers movies.
- Serpenterra! It was even defeated by Iron Man in the same way!
Part of why this movie was made is to create a universe for all future Marvel Studios movies.
Because why not?
- Pretty sure that was the first Iron Man's job.
- Iron Man 1 started it, and The Avengers will expand upon it even more.
is friends with Tony because of how he treats Bruce Banner
- After getting "forcibly recruited" by S.H.I.E.L.D., Bruce probably got treated as a cross between a ticking time bomb and a potential experiment, so Tony (for all of his teasing) was probably the first person to treat him like a human being. Hence the reason why the Hulk saves Iron Man's life in the trailer.
- Between the poking and the mocking over turning into a green rage monster, I don't see where treating him like a human being comes from.
- Human beings occasionally tease their friends. Tony's not mocking him in that scene, he's being honest; he thinks the Hulk is cool the same way he thinks muscle cars and explosions are cool.
- Perhaps that ends up being character development for Tony, as he learns to treat Banner with more dignity. Either that, or he's just being playful with him. You know how Tony is...
- Yeah, he's a dick. If anything, Steve seems to treat Banner better, shaking hands with him and rebuking Stark's antics. Could be that Hulk is saving Tony because it's what Cap would want, thereby teaching Tony to get his head out of his ass.
- Steve sticking up for Bruce and saving Iron Man as a favor to Cap is Jossed. While some playful teasing does occur. Hulk and Iron Man are best pals.
- Also, this Joss Whedon quote:
"One of the first things Robert said when we were meeting about the movie was “There’s no way Tony Stark gets in a room with Bruce Banner and doesn’t poke him”. There’s no way. He wants to see it happen, he wants to see how that guy works. And that is not only true, not only ended up in the movie but ultimately informs their entire arc, which is one of my favourite things in the movie. The idea that Tony Stark is not intimidated by the concept of the Hulk and, in fact, thinks that Bruce needs to embrace his inner Hulk as it were, sounds like pure classic Tony irresponsibility and in fact it is you know what save us all because and ultimately what saves Tony because he allows Bruce to…he sets him up and lets him gets to the place where he can decide to be the Hulk."
- In The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, there's one episode where we see Cap telling the Hulk that he is indeed a hero, so maybe we'll have something to that effect in the movie, which leads to that scene Hulk saving Iron Man?
- Confirmed: Tony well respects Bruce for his scientific breakthroughs, and even helps in the development of Banner for accepting that the Hulk is a part of him, much like how he and his Arc Reactor chest piece are one.
Loki was under the influence of the Tesseract
- He uses his glow stick of destiny to control Selvig and Clint through it. In both cases this control is broken by head injuries and unconsciousness.
- Hulk beats him like a rag doll giving him a head injury and possibly knocking him out (?)
- Afterwards the dark circles under his eyes go away, he seems less completely insane, and comes quietly without insulting anyone.
- Except the bags under Lok's eyes are a completely different effect then what happens when somebody is mind-controlled and he doesn't seem any different then he was before for his whopping one line after his beating. Also if he was under mind control why would the Other let him talk back to him? Why would the Other even feel the need to threaten him at all? A more likely reason for him going quietly is that he's facing down the entire Avengers team while he's injured, stripped of his weapon and has no way to escape and now that his plan has failed he knows Thanos will be coming after him. It's probably safer to be imprisoned in Asgard then alone on the run.
- Not necessarily... I personally think that it wasn't really mind control that he was under. Remember when the Avengers were all arguing and it was implied that the staff had some hand in their argument? It's my suspicion that just being around it can perhaps intensify negative emotions. If that is so, then think of what it would have done to Loki. He has some major negative emotions going on towards just about everything and carrying that staff with the stone in it around all the time would probably have a huge effect on him. It would explain the rather out of character-ness he had in the movie.
- How in the world was he out of character? He's less sympathetic but I didn't see anything out of character. And Loki is much more in control of himself in Avengers then he was at the end of Thor when his emotions were out of control which contradicts your theory.
- The thing to remember about Loki and why he's a little more vicious in Avengers than in Thor is because 1. The Other makes it very clear good things are not in his future if he fails and 2. In Thor, he's on Asgard, with people he considers equals, and in Avengers he's on Earth, with people he views as far, far beneath him. In his own words, "An ant has no quarrel with a boot." Plus, sympathetic or no, he tried to kill a whole planet in Thor. So, yeah ... everything in Avengers made sense for Loki's character.
Black Panther will appear in the Captain America Sequel , and Doctor Strange will appear in the Thor sequel to set up appearances in Avengers 2
Stan ' the man' Lee would love those 2 in the sequel. And we know how good Marvel films are in seamlessly introducing characters even in cameos. Of course Black Panther would have a Ultimate like version with claws and Doctor Strange would have to be played by Johnny Depp.
- No. Please no. Get someone else. Depp is permanently stuck in the role of Jack Sparrow.
- Oded Fehr as Dr Strange. Isaiah Mustafa as Black Panther. Deal sealed.
- Oded Fehr makes much more sense, however I would gladly swap Isaiah for someone established like Idris Elba or Chiwetel Ejiofor..
- Idris Elba is already Heimdall.
Robin Sherbatsky is Maria Hill's civilian alias
- Barney, Marshall and Lily appear in the epilogue, in a blink and you'll miss it scene, on one of the news broadcasts. This is the only justification for this idea. This leads to...
Maria Hill introduces Natasha Romanov to Ted at one of Tony's New Years parties
Tony Stark is preparing to finance the Avengers outside of SHIELD.
- Why do you think he and Pepper are doing a redesign of Stark Tower- not just a rebuilding of it- at the end of the film. Also note that they don't seem to be in a hurry to put the S, T, R and K on the tower...
Loki took on the Hulk out of hubris.
- Thor's "falling death trap" escape made Loki think that he truly was immortal and perhaps impervious. So why not threaten the most powerful member and prove yourself worthy? Alas, the trickster god is Genre Blind to his own schemes...
- And/or because Loki was at the end of his rope: injured, tired, disarmed, and psychologically stressed by his plan starting to unravel. He probably didn't have the energy left to do much other than monologue.
The Avengers Initiative and SHIELD are a part of UNIT
- That helicarrier that they use looks quite similar to the Valiant from the Whoniverse. So who's to say that it's not actually from the same universe? After all, both SHIELD and UNIT get involved in protecting the Earth from extraterrestrial threats. I bet they're part of the same organisation.
- Wait, SHIELD (first appearance: 1965) and the Helicarrier (again, 1965) both predate UNIT, so wouldn't it be the other way around?
- And in setting, SHIELD's predecessor, the SSR, dates back to 1941. . .
The Avengers movie has, and the following movies will have, a subtle theme of the Infinity Gems
- In the Avengers, Loki's Staff/spear is obviously used to mess with and control minds. It also glows blue... the same color as the Mind Gem of the Infinity Gems. This is intentional, and the future movies will have subtle influences of themes such as Time, Reality, Space, Souls &/or Power. This will all be done subtly, but set up for a moment when Thanos is revealed to have been subtly messing with the heroes via the gems before he got the Infinity Gauntlet.
- Except we see the Infinity Gauntlet with all the gems inside Odin's treasure room in Thor. Plus Loki's staff is stated to be powered by the Tesseract.
- Were those the true gems? Maybe like some artifacts placed in a museum, the Asgardians just put fake gems in the gauntlet for display purposes. And about the staff, it is speculated to use the same type of energy used by the Tesseract, not necessarily powered by the Tesseract itself. Captain America says it's like one of Hydra's energy weapons more than anything.
- Except they weren't in a display, they were in a weapons vault guarded by the Destroyer and the other artifacts in there are real. And Selvig says the control rod is powered by the Tesseract to the Black Widow. And Hydra's weapons were powered by the Tesseract.
- I'm working on the theory the other things in the trophy room were more just 'fandom nods' than 'it's true continuity'. Even if so, if you compare the comic-con Marvel prop images of the Gauntlet ◊ to the movie version◊ .... a large blue gem on the back of the palm is missing.
- Except that's not the version actually in the movie, the version in Thor has the big blue gem in it ◊.
- To my knowledge, there has been no specific indication of how much time has passed between Thor and The Avengers. But clearly, some time has passed. In the meantime, the Gauntlet has been sitting in Odin's vault, a vault that has recently been robbed of its primary guardian after Thor trashed the Destroyer. And the guy who would want the Gauntlet happens to have as his minion, a trickster god who knows several back doors into Asgard that could get him in and out without being noticed. Keep in mind, we have no idea what is going on in Asgard after Thor's movie ends. There's a very good chance that something happened in the meantime.
- It's not immediately obvious, since at first Tony displays few of The Heart's sterling qualities: he's aggressively arrogant with almost everyone he meets here, he rushes in headfirst and brushes off early attempts at battle planning and teamwork, and half his teammates don't like him (Steve, Thor) or find him exasperating (Natasha, Fury, Coulson).
- But Tony's also the most insistent that SHIELD be honest with its intentions, that advanced technology should not be made into weapons, and that the Avengers are not soldiers or weapons to be deployed blindly at government will.
- He's the first person to genuinely reach out to Bruce Banner with empathy and respect, encouraging him to accept his "condition" as a gift that can help people. Tony's the only person who believes Bruce will join them for the final battle, and Bruce does show up, with the implication that The Power of Friendship from Tony helped inspire him.
- Finally, the climax of the final battle is Tony's apparent death by Heroic Sacrifice, with the focus on the team's reaction to his loss.
- Tony's role as The Heart is complicated: Tony's breaking the team apart more often than bringing it together like a proper Heart, and he shares the role with Coulson as the Sacrificial Lion and Steve, who as The Good Captain is always the moral center of the Avengers. But while The Hero Steve keeps the team together, The Lancer Tony made sure the team was worth forming in the first place.
There's something going on with Nick Fury
's left eye.
- If you look at Nick Fury◊ in The Avengers, his left eye seems to have something similar to what Stark was going through in Iron Man 2. It may have to do with why he has an eyepatch. This will probably be elaborated on in later movies, most likely in Avengers 2.
- Not intending to burst a potentially-good plot detail, but the design for Ultimate Nick Fury (which Samuel L. Jackson lent his likeness to in the beginning) has that nasty scar lines around his eye socket too. It might be that Fury's past missions were simply that hellish. Hey, after all, we did see the All-Father Odin with a nasty, empty eye socket in Thor.
- Hmm. He does have a scar in Iron Man 2, but looking at him from Iron Man 2◊, compared to how he looks in The Avengers, that scar looks worse in The Avengers. I just can't shake the feeling that something is going on with it.
- The major part of the scar, constant between the movies, is a set of three parallel slashes. Since his film rights are owned by Fox, he can't be mentioned, but can you think of a notorious person within the larger Marvel Universe who might have been likely to give Fury a wound of that nature? I'll bet you can, bub.
Agent Phil Coulson will be reborn as The Vision
Tony hints of a "Life Model Decoy" when Coulson tries to contact him. And considering that the Vision can change brain patterns.....
- There could be some merit to this. Yes, he died, and it was a noble death that brought the team together. But, after the medical team arrives on scene and declares him dead, we never see anything else of him after that.
- Wait a minute now. Did we actually here the medics say it, or just Fury say that they called it?
- Just Fury. Who almost immediately voices a significant lie regarding Coulson's "death" to the team in order to prod them in the direction he wanted. His secrets have secrets, indeed.
And with SHIELD having this hi-tech helicarrier with hi-tech equipment on board, who knows what happened in the med-bay? What if Marvel is planning to bring back Agent Coulson as Vision?
It's said at least 3 times in The Avengers that Coulson was dating a cellist. Guess who's a cellist in the Marvel Universe? Wanda Maximoff aka The Scarlett Witch. And who is Scarlett Witch's husband in the comics? Vision, the human/synthetic reincarnation of a dead hero. Both are Avengers.
We already know Coulson will be back in some form,
Gregg's contract is for more films than he's been in so far, and while the original Vision was an android created by Ultron, so far Marvel hasn't been afraid to change certain details to fit the story.
Now you may be thinking, "But Fox currently holds the right to use mutants." But that isn't necessarily the complete truth. Kevin Feige brought this up at the red carpet premiere.
According to him, both Marvel and Fox have rights to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver jointly. I'm guessing the deal is that Marvel can't refer to them as 'mutants' and connect them to Magneto or the X-Men in any way, while Fox can't refer to them as being associated with The Avengers.
What's even more interesting is that he brought up those two characters specifically as characters who could appear in Avengers 2. Why would he mention Scarlet Witch now? It all seems too good to be a coincidence.
- Also, it's probably too much of a coincidence that Coulson just happened to be dating a woman with superpowers. The "dates" were actually a cover story, in reality he was visiting Wanda so he could get her to join the Avengers Initiative. (So Coulson was kinda telling the truth to Tony Stark when he said the dates didn't lead to anything, as Wanda clearly wasn't willing to join the Avengers yet, otherwise he would've been there with the other heroes.) In the second movie she will finally join them, and this time there'll probably be an actual romance with Coulson/The Vision too.
The Other is actually The Red Skull
- Ok. At the end of The First Avenger, Skull is burnt alive by the Tesseract and undergoes what looks a lot like a Bifrost transport. The Avengers establishes that the Tesseract can open a portal to the far reaches of space. The theory is that Skull is transported to wherever Thanos and the Chitauri hail from, whereupon Thanos takes him on as a servant. The Other's physical dissimilarities to Skull can be explained however one likes- genetic alteration, damage from the Tesseract itself or the transportion process. His age (and continued survival after seventy years) can be explained by Erskin's serum, which was explictly mentioned to provide Cap's cells with a protective layer of healing (hence why he can't get drunk).
- Isn't that an awful lots of arbitrary 'could be explained by'? I think its much more likely that The Other is a true Chitauri. The soldiers were bio-androids, or perhaps cyber-zombies; weapons, IOW, rather than people.
- If the Other were the Red Skull, then he shouldn't have been as unfamiliar with humanity as he was before the invasion. Lines like "Humans... they are not the cowering wretches we were promised" point to him not being human, and thus being unfamiliar with them.
Tony knows Coulson is not dead
- Tony seems to have a revelation when looking at the bloodstain Coulson left on the wall right before he starts on his rant about Loki's ego being similar to his own. Maybe he was beginning to suspect that Fury was lying about Coulson's death. Additionally during his talk with Loki, Tony uses present tense to refer to Coulson (eg. "His name *is* Phil", not "His name *was* Phil"). Now this could just be nothing but still, it's odd. He was also one of the first people to suspect Fury was lying about what they were doing with the Tesseract.
- Also, the Life Model Decoy was mentioned offhand by Tony earlier in the film, confirming their existence in the MCU. Fury also says that he has a "good friend" keeping an eye on Jane. Who better to do the job than Coulson? The LMD allowed him to be in two places at once.
- According to the closed captions for the movie, Tony used the word 'was'. Just for perspective's sake.
- By SHIELD, to save his life (and have a trustworthy superhuman as a nice bonus). Or maybe having been stabbed by a magic glowing pointy thing has nasty side effects. One way or another, he'll become orange, superpowered, and eventually be instrumental to defeating Thanos. And yes, this assumes Loki's spear has an Infinity Gem, as per another WMG above.
The next move of Thanos will be to strike at Asgard.
- Very basic reasoning. The Tesseract can open a door to Thanos' area of space, from either end. At the end of the Avengers, both the Tesseract and Thanos' Infinity Gauntlet are sitting in Asgard, he's got an obvious motivation to get his hands on both objects, and Earth has just shown it's not an easy target, so Thanos is unlikely to strike it again soon without his cosmic toys. What do you want to bet the plot of Thor 2 or Avengers 2 involves an invasion of Asgard by Thanos' minions?
Tony's comment with Bruce means most, if not all, of the 2003 Hulk movie
is canon within the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Tony mentions how Bruce miraculously survives his exposure to gamma radiation that results in the Hulk. In the 2003 film, his father experimented on himself, and it passed onto Bruce which lay the seeds for the Hulk.
- Unnecessary. The rebooted origin also had him surviving gamma exposure.
- Actually, the 2003 film connects nicely to the rest of the movies. The first one tells what happened before banner started hiding in remote countries, and the next movie connects to the first one and the actual Avengers movie by starting out in a remote country, and showing how Bruce gained control. the fact that the first two movies have two different actors portraying banner is irrelevant considering he was replaced again for the Avengers.
- The 2008 film is said to be a spiritual sequel to the 2003 one, referencing the fact by starting Banner off in a south american country. The intro to the 2008 film shows that the Hulk's origin is similar to the one in the TV show, the exposure to the gamma radiation was deliberate. And it was said in the 2008 film that Banner was attempting to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum, and was sure Gamma radiation was the answer, it's possible he used an experimental serum before the exposure that allowed him to survive, with the Hulk as an unfortunate side effect.
Loki's non-SHIELD minions are AIM
- When Selvig asks Barton where the mooks came from, Barton mentions that SHIELD has plenty of enemies. In the comics 'verse, this is usually HYDRA or AIM, and since HYDRA was dismantled during WW 2...
- Presuming, of course, that remnants of HYDRA didn't survive and continue to be a pain for the SSR and its successor, SHIELD.
Maria Hill will become the new Coulson.
With Coulson dead
, Hill will take on a similar role, making appearances in other MCU films to provide a sense of continuity.
The old man that stands up to Loki in Germany and is narrowly saved by Captain America is a Holocaust survivor.
It would explain why he was so defiant to him in the first place; he's already spent a very tumultuous period in his life being forced to kneel to people that despise him; he's not going to take this shit from anyone ever again
. He's even says, "There are always men like you." Cap goes into a bit more of a Nazi analogy immediately afterward, which I think gives this a bit more credence.
- Some actual German viewers assumed that man had lived through the GDR and their own "freedom from freedom" policies rather than the Holocaust. The history of Germany in the 20th century isn't divided into good people and Nazis, and Hitler wasn't the last cruel leader they endured.
- If anything it would make more sense — and be better storytelling — if he wasn't. Aside from the fact that he's way too young, for a lot of Germans — especially in the immediate postwar generation — there's a sense of "we let this happen once. We must never let it happen again".
- Or even better, the man could have possibly been a German soldier who regretted his actions in the war.
The waitress who's grateful for Captain America saving her will become a side character for Cap, and may even appear in Captain America 2.
Yes, there's deleted scenes from the movie that show said waitress was flirtatious towards Cap, and I'm going to assume that she'll be a romantic foil or a supporting character for Steve, to go along with Sharon Carter being his SHIELD partner. Or something.
- As I recall her name tag said Beth on it. Are there any continuity savants around to tell us whether or not there were any Cap supporting characters with that name? I can't find any in the MCD. The movie focused on her three times which makes me think this WMG has some substance to it.
- The only close one from the comics I can think of is Elizabeth "Betsy" Ross, and she was around in WW 2 not modern era. (IIRC some retcon places her as grandma of Hulk's GF Betty Ross). But of course the movies have combined characters before (Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo & I'd say movie Red Skull is a combo of RS & Zemo. So it could be Betsy combined with some modern love interest of Cap)
will become incredibly popular thanks to this movie.
- Greek and Middle Eastern restaurants will attract many more customers. Panda Express will petition to have fried rice mentioned in the Avengers 2 movie.
Cpt. Rogers is rich in this film.
He was on active duty when he went under. Odds are, he's owed seventy years
of back pay. Add in pay from SHIELD, inheritance (really, what are the odds that his parents are still alive?) and interest on savings from the 40s, and at the very least Steve's living comfortably. He's not Tony-level rich, but he's definitely got a good deal of money.
- He's also Airborne-qualified, so mo' money. Though his parents were dead before he joined the Army.
- And I presume that Steve's parents were struggling to make ends meet. In other words, they're not quite poor, but they're certainly not rich enough to have large sums of money for inheritance.
- One of the early scenes in the Captain America film mentions that both of his parents had already died.]
- Depends on his legal status. If he was declared legally dead at any point while he was frozen, he would have lost any assets he may have owned. Then again SHIELD would probably pay him far more than what the SSR could offer.
Natasha and Barton were released from active SHIELD duty after the end of the film
In order to protect them from any repercussions following Loki's defeat in New York. Since certain powerful people, including Fury's bosses on the National Security Council and at least one senator don't trust the Avengers and want them to be held responsible for the damage New York City suffered, Fury had them released from active duty so he wouldn't be forced into a position where he-or more likely his bosses on the council-might be able to "punish them". This also explains why Fury apparently doesn't know where two of his best operatives have disappeared to at the end of the film, and why Natasha and Barton drove off after Thor takes Loki back to Asgard. He and Hill even speak of them with the rest of the Avengers at the end as though they're not going to be returning to the helicarrier anytime soon. It's PRETTY clear they're both rather a cut above SHIELD personnel to begin with and will probably be able to do more good as freelance agents than by being bound by SHIELD in the future. Barton may not actually WANT to be part of SHIELD because of the agents he killed while under Loki's control, though no one seems to hold it against him. This might also make things easier if a Hawkeye or Black Widow movie were to be greenlighted.
- Unlikely. The current word on Captain America 2 is that Cap will be working with SHIELD. Its unlikely that he would still be working with them, yet two actual SHIELD agents wouldn't.
- Seeing as how they are government agents and they caused almost no property damage (as compared to say... the Hulk) they probably wouldn't get into too much trouble. Not unless the Senator wants to hold the Police Officers and National Guard personnel who were present for the battle responsible as well. If he doesn't, then Fury can just say, "What makes Hawkeye and Widow any more responsible for the plasma damage to the city?" This would probably cover Captain America's ass too seeing as how he's Captain Goddamn America and if you try and hold him responsible for what alien invaders did then you hate freedom. It should also be noted that the Car that Black Widow and Hawkeye left in had a S.H.I.E.L.D insignia on the door.
At least one of the Council Members was on the Avengers' side
When Loki is overwhelming New York from space, this member, let's call him/her M, knew that the Avengers needed some help, or else they'd be overwhelmed, and the biggest explosive he/she could think of was a nuke. M knew that the other members would not take well to the suggestion "Let's hand a weapon of mass destruction to this team of guys we hardly know, who already have superpowers", and so M suggested, or subtly manipulated another member into suggesting, to stem the tide by nuking New York, as M's way of saying: "Hey Avengers, here's a nuke. Do whatever you want with it."
, and then took the fall with the rest of the council. So, the real hero of the story is an unnamed World Council member, who knew what needed to be done and made a Heroic Sacrifice
, politician style.
The US government will turn to studying Chitauri tech now that the tesseract has been returned to Asgard
Though the tesseract is out of humanity's reach, they still have the corpses of all these biomechanical alien monsters littering New York. Fury didn't appear opposed to the idea of the Phase Two weaponry either, so it's entirely possible that with the tesseract gone, the US will turn to trying to reverse-engineer new technology from the remains of Loki's Chitauri warriors in its place.
- Seemingly confirmed by the animated background for Item 47. Which depicts the process of Shield converting the only active Chitauri weapon on the planet into a series of personal and vehicle mounted energy weapons in a manner similar to the destroyer cannon.
You-Know-Who is not dead and will return.
Plain and simple. No Vision, no LMD; He's either in a coma, or simply being ordered to remain underground for an indeterminate amount of time.
- The powers that be would be incredibly remiss to ignore the shitstorm of massive proportions that has erupted from the whole affair and not do something to fix it.
- It seems this is true. Clark Gregg is signed on for more films.
- Additional WMG: To tie the new Spider-Man film into this continuity, he'll appear as the principal of Peter Parker's school, just like he does on Ultimate Spider-Man. Fwip fwip.
is going to get a spiffy new pair of laser bracelets in her next (Chronological) appearance.
- They are going to be reverse engineered Chitauri laser muskets mounted onto her braclets to give her some more oomph in future films. It might not be in her movie seeing as how there has been talk of an origin prequel but maybe in something else. Like Iron Man 3 or the Avengers 2.
Loki's alien backers never intended to support his rule of Earth.
- This explains why it was so easy to defeat the Chitauri army just by bombing the small Chitauri base which was just outside the bridge from Earth. All Thanos was interested in was the Tesseract. It's entirely possible that once Loki delivered it to him, the Chitauri army would be automatically shut down and Loki would be free to try to rule Earth on his own. After all, what's one primitive world to the Mad Titan?
Loki let himself be captured again in the end.
It looks like he chose to stay down when the Hulk smacked him down. But then the Hulk left....He could have at least turned invisible. But he had just failed Thanos
. The Other did say there was no place he could hide. Well, the safest place would be in an Asgard Prison.
- I think Loki not moving after the Hulk beat the tar out of him really had more to do with the fact that the Hulk just beat the tar out of him. He also seemed surprised when he saw the team was behind him, so he probably thought that he had more time before he got there.
- In the end he probably did surrender with that in mind, choosing the lesser of two evils.
- Its teleportation effect, like that of the Bifrost Gate, is very similar to that of a mass relay. The bio-synthetic Chitauri are using their conquest of Earth as a smokescreen for the real reason they want the Tesseract: they are the Cinematic Universe's version of Collectors, and intend to open the way for the Reaper fleet.
- Additionally, Loki is indeed controlling people's minds through the technology given him, but not in the manner he suspects: everyone touched by the spear is Indoctrinated, and only following him because it coincides with the Reapers' plans (to paraphrase some lines in the film: "The Tesseract... showed me things; I have clarity now"). Also, note how their eyes turn electric blue, and briefly acquire glowing facial scars: they are in the initial stages of being transformed into a.) Husks, or b.) Reaper emissaries, such as Saren and the Illusive Man.
- This WMG certainly makes the "Space Magic!" meme funnier.
The Sequel will feature another team of superheroes...
- ... Nextwave, Agents of Hate. Because that'd be awesome.
Since he's the only one who had contact with Thanos
who will probably be the Big Bad
in Avengers 2, the Avengers will have to go to him for information
and how he works. Loki will probably be his normal self
around them, but might be motivated to help
since the Chitauri warned him that if he failed to get them the Tesseract then they would find him and take vengeance on him.
And it will be purple
, mainly as a reference
to Samuel L. Jackson
's role as Mace Windu
The Stinger at the end of Avengers sets up the Deadpool movie.
I mean c'mon, some people do know that Deadpool and Death have a thing. And the only who stands between them is Thanos
It could turn out that Deadpool was cursed with immortality, and we get to see Death on screen.
The Tesseract originally belonged to Thanos
That's why he knows about it and wants to back. Thousands of years ago, he and the forces of Asgard fought, the Asguardians regarding Thanos
as an upstart who thought himself a god. During the battle, Thanos
lost the Cube to Odin, who after keeping it for a time, left it on Earth or lost it in the battle with the frost giants. What's really dangerous is that Thanos
is the only one who knows the Cube's true power of Reality Warping
. If he gets it back he could wish half the universe dead. The gemstone that he gives to Loki was an attempt to replicate the cube's power.
Deadpool exists in the same universe as Avengers.
If his movie will come out before any other, and if Thanos
will make an appearence.
The full theory is spelled out here,
but the short version is basically this: while Loki may (or may not)
have wanted control of the Earth as revenge against Thor, the whole thing was basically a means for Thanos
to get Loki back into Asgard under reasonable pretenses so that he could somehow deliver the Infinity Gauntlet.
- I had a similar thought. Considering how risky the invasion plan was to begin with (YMMV on that, but see the Headscratchers page for a long, long discussion of its flaws), Unless Loki got dumber between movies, he was probably aware all along that his plan could easily fail and even if it succeeded he'd just be a vassal to a Bigger Bad that was strong and getting even stronger. But directly due to Loki's attack in this movie, a confrontation between Thanos and the Avengers is likely. If the Avengers win, then the force that traumatized Loki in unspecified ways between movies has been punished and there's a cosmic Evil Power Vacuum he can step into. If Thanos wins, Earth is really, really doomed, so Loki would have Revenge by Proxy on Thor for the events of Thor. Either way, Loki arguably winds up better off than if his invasion had won.
- I don't think this theory holds water at all... If Thanos and Loki merely wanted Thor to arrest Loki and take him to Asgard, why go through through such a large-case scenario to do that? It would been have enough for Loki to run some smaller scheme that would get Thor's attention (kill some random people, for example), then have a fake fight with Thor that ends with him thinking he has defeated Loki, so he can take Loki back to Asgard. Why would Loki and Thanos want to get S.H.I.EL.D. and other earthlings involved in the scheme? Even if they don't see humans as a risk, why would they want any outsiders to find out more about their plan than what is absolutely necessary? If they got only Thor involved, no one else would know anything about what's going on. Also, if Thanos knew the Chitauri would eventually be defeated, why would he risk alienating his allies by letting them be killed in masses? Why get the Chitauri involved in the first place, when the same end result could've been reached without them?
The Other is a Time Lord
This can't be a WMG page without saying that someone is a Time Lord and there's a character called The Other in Doctor Who.
- He's on his last regeneration so his appearance is unattractive (like Crispy!Master).
Coulson is still alive and now has an Arc Reactor in his chest.
Nick Fury was once known as Jules Winnfield
- Who better to run a law-enforcement agency than a badass ex-gangster who has dedicated his life to protecting others? In the interim he shaved his head and lost an eye somehow.
- For his new identity he borrowed the name of a legendary WWII commando.
- This also suggests that the Tesseract was the shiny thing in the briefcase.
- However, that was gold-colored, unlike the Tesseract.
- Yes, a deconstruction of a deconstruction. Does that make it a reconstruction? I have no idea. But besides the issues of the theatrical posters being nigh-identical, there's also Loki's lip service to the idea of essentially frightening the world into peace by making all of humanity worship him (the film version of Watchmen ends with the world being terrified into peace out of fear from retribution from Dr. Manhattan). He may have been intended as a dismantling of the more noble, Necessarily Evil archetype presented by Ozymandias- the kind of person who'd think peace bought through fear is worthwhile very likely would be more like Loki than like Ozymandias, crazed and dangerous rather than analytical and basically willing to break his own moral code for what he sees as a genuine greater good. However, the ending also criticizes actually thinking like Ozymandias, which is what the Council does in their decision to nuke New York because it might stop the Chitauri (just like Ozymandias was willing to psychic-bomb New York in the original graphic novel and essentially nuke 15 major world cities in the film because it might have prevented WWIII).
- This is awesome. The parallels are definitely there, whether they're intentional or not.
Scarlet Witch will appear in the next Avengers movie, tying it together with the X-Men
- She will be introduced escaping a Insane Asylum to warn SHIELD about the new movie's villian. No one will believe her so she will use her powers over chance and probability force ridiculously unlikely circumstances to bring the Avengers together at the right place and time to face the threat. She will also rant about and make references to events and people from the comic book universe including her two non-existent sons, everyone will dismisses it as mad delusions.
With things suddenly taking a turn for the worse, Coulson was so dedicated to the cause and desperate to get the team to start working together that he went into his encounter with Loki knowing full well that he wouldn't make it out.
She's been recast - as Wasp.
- Jossed. She'll be back for Thor: The Dark World to reprise her role from the first Thor movie.
Before Phil Coulson was a SHIELD agent he worked at a Footlocker and dated Miranda Hobbs. That incident (where he lied about being a doctor to impress her) made him realise how pathetic his life was, so he turned things around. Unfortunately this probably means that every Sex and the City
character was killed by aliens. However, this is a worthy sacrifice in the name of synchronicity.
Cap likes Batman
Hear me out on this one. Before he became Captain America, Steve was a 94 pound artist. He grew up in the 30's, and was very sickly all the time. What do you do in the 30's when you can't go outside? Read. What do you read when you're a teenage boy? (Besides porn) Comic books. And in 1939, in Detective comics issue #27, Batman came out. It's not really too much of a stretch to say that he read Batman from time to time.
And if anyone ever makes a Batman reference, he'll stand up and go, "I understood that!" like he did with the Wizard of Oz reference.
- I would certainly be amused by a scene where Cap watches Batman and Robin and is utterly confused by the whole thing.
Loki was Mind Raped by the Other/the Chitauri/Thanos
Loki tells Thor he remembers being "thrown" into the Abyss, but Thor was there was he let himself fall. Why lie about it to someone who already knew the truth unless he really believed it? We know the Other already has a powerful link to Loki's mind and he makes threats about how there's no place Loki can hide; altering his memories seems well within their power, not to mention that the greatest threat against any
possible outcome of The Other's plan would be if Loki just told Thor, "I'm being coerced and I need help", and making absolutely
sure that Loki feels completely isolated is the best way to keep that from happening.
"The Other" is Annihilus.
Just what it says: the Other will be revealed to be Annihilus.
- Annihilus would never serve as a lackey to Thanos, as The Other seems to do in the movie. He's the proud ruler of an entire universe, not a servant to anyone.
Every time he Hulks out, Banner comes back looking slightly different
It's not enough to be noticeable in a single movie, but in the years that passed between The Incredible Hulk
and The Avengers
the effects built up and changed him from looking like Edward Norton to looking like Mark Ruffalo.
- In addition, Banner remarks that he is always angry before turning into Hulk intentionally. He is shown meditating throughout the 2008 film trying to calm it, but he could've also been trying to find a compromise between himself and the Hulk personality. Before, he and the Hulk looked completely different, but as he drew closer to reaching common ground with it, he and the Hulk would keep looking similar to each other after each transformation. Perhaps eventually this will lead to the Professor Hulk persona at the end of the film saga.
Ghost Rider will make an appearence
They're in the same universe! And this troper can dream that Robert Downey Jr. and Nicolas Cage will be in the same movie.
Joss Whedon's favorite Doctor Who episode is "Last of the Time Lords"
Just think, We have an alien/godlike hero (Thor),who grew up with the bad guy (Loki) and the bad guy opens up a portal above a city releasing aliens (the last humans from Utopia) and the military (S.H.I.E.L.D.) has an airship. Coincidence? I think not!
- They've been confirmed for their own film, so why not base it on their storyline in The Thanos Imperative? This could tie in with the Deadpool and Ms Marvel WMGs, and make up for the fact that the Silver Surfer is unlikely to get a look-in.
Avengers 3 will deal with the Civil War storyline
- The Avengers is being followed by a 'Phase 2' rollout of Marvel characters (Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, The Inhumans, Black Panther...). Captain America 2 has the subtitle The Winter Soldier, so Bucky may turn up. Thor 2 will have a non-Loki Big Bad, and this troper has made the case for Pepper becoming Rescue in Iron Man 3 over on the Iron Man WMG page. On top of this, Avengers 2 will deal with Thanos and Marvel are trying to get Sony to agree to Spiderman characters appearing in future Avengers movies. Logically, Avengers 2 will be followed by a Phase 3. At this point, the Avengers will have fought one of the biggest bads in the Marvel Universe and there'll be loads of other Marvel heroes (including other Avengers) with their own movies. How do you top that? Pit them all off against each other! The groundwork for this is already being laid: look at the end of The Avengers with the Senator saying the heroes should pay for the damage they caused. Plus it'll give Joss the chance to kill off loads of characters...
- You must have missed the part where a) half the Marvel heroes are owned by other companies, b) A SHRA would make no sense because almost every single Avenger's identity is public and/or has an extensive SHIELD file, and c) Civil War was a revolting explosion of diarrhea all over the characters and no one outside of a handful of comic fans would ever want to see a villain-less film where superheroes try to kill and imprison each other over convoluted politics and act like massive dicks and the evil side wins in the end. Such a movie would spectacularly bomb and utterly destroy the studio's reputation forever. Not to mention it's impossible to fit that storyline and that many characters into a 2.5 hour movie.
- The above poster who responded to the OP needs to a) calm down and address his fellow tropers with less hostility and b) remember that while a small number of (albeit very famous) members of the Marvel roster are currently tied up the only ones who aren't soon collapsing back to Marvel in their entirety are the X-Men and Spider-Man. The Daredevil and Fantastic Four reboots seem to have gotten stuck in development hell and its very much possible that Marvel can start putting them in their movies again within the next half decade. The real reason Avengers 3 will not be about the SHRA is because setting up the universe to be big enough for a proper Civil War will probably take longer than it would take for Avengers 3 to get released. By that time Marvel may have brokered a deal with Sony for Spider-Man to make appearances and an SHRA plot without the X-Men would make more sense anyway. The only way you could make the non-mutant heroes not look like horrible people for flat out ignoring the MRA is either for it to either never have existed or for it to get changed into an SHRA about and hour after its introduced when someone in the house points out that Spider-Man could pose just as much of a threat to the average citizen as Cyclops.
- All of the above points are valid reasons why doing a Civil War movie would be ill-advised. Despite this, the producers are actually talking about it. Is this something we should be worried about? Too soon to tell. If it does happen it will be a long, long ways off and keep in mind there's no law that says they have to be incredibly faithful to the comics story - they could do any number of things to improve it and make it work for the big screen. Do I think they can salvage it completely? No. But if they do end up doing Civil War, there's no use complaining about it until we see where they go with it.
- As the troper who posted the original WMG, can I just say "called it!"? I never said I thought an SHRA storyline would be a good thing, what happened was that I was reading an issue of (I think) Total Film magazine, although it might have been Empire, and they were listing all of the confirmed Phase 2 rollout, talking about scripts in development for Phase 3 and discussing the attempts to buy back the rights to other characters, including a potential compromise with Sony where they keep the rights to Spidey but he cameos in MCU films. As I was reading this, it hit me that if I were a Hollywood executive, I'd figure that the best way to get a massive draw for Avengers 3 (or perhaps 4) would be to use a dumbed-down version of the Civil War plot: plenty of big CGI, famous-actor-hero vs famous-actor-hero fights (come on, they even worked them into Avengers 1!) etc, etc. I figured they'd be at least considering it, and if it does go ahead, we'll have to wait and see before we damn it, but I'm inclined to agree to the utterly furious reply to my original post in terms of it being an awful idea.
Thanos' plan in Avengers 2...
- ... will be to awaken the Dreaming Celestial on Earth. Thanos loves death, literally, and his plans usually involve some form or mass murder or genocide to appease it. He's interested in Earth because the Dreaming Celestial, an ancient, all powerful cosmic being, was imprisoned there by the other members of it's order for wanting to cleanse the planet of all life. Thanos would see facilitating that as a massive tribute to death. He tested the waters with Loki and the Chitauri to see how much of a fight Earth would put if he tried to see if it was feasible, and the ass kicking the Avengers dished out as well as the existence of SHIELD has convinced him to A) Kill the Avengers or otherwise get them out of the way first, and B) do it covertly instead of through and outright invasion. The sequel would then boil down to him breaking the team apart and crushing their spirits through brutal, personalized attacks and then waking this ancient evil to end the Earth, with a one on one duel with one of the Avengers in the climax as the creature rises. So basically season two of Buffy. :o
Mofo killed a Predator drone with a rifle.
Avengers 2 will star the Masters of Evil
Crossbones is confirmed; he would most likely appear as part of a villain team, probably under his master. Who is almost certainly *not* Thanos. :p
- It's also entirely possible that the line up for the team will be The Abomination (still alive as of the end of The Incredible Hulk), The Leader (teased at th end of TIH), Loki (assuming Thanos assembles the team), Red Skull (assuming he really did survive the events of the Captain America movie) and Aldrich Killian (again assuming he survived the explosion), all of which are assembled by Thanos, his reasoning behind it being to gather the "world's greatest villains" to battle the Avengers. Basically to stay in the shadows for as long as possible.
The Helicarrier was designed by Tony and/or Howard Stark and is powered by one or more of the giant arc reactors like the one in the Stark Industries building in the first Iron Man film.
Howard was showing off a prototype flying car in the Captain America movie.
They will introduce another major villain in Avengers 2 for the human Avengers to fight.
Because, Tony, Steve, Clint and Natasha would stand absolutely no chance against Thanos. So, they'll introduce another major Marvel villain as Thanos' Dragon so that they can fight him while Thor, Hulk and the Guardians fight Thanos.
Loki was working with Fury all along.
The plan was for Loki to find a force that was considerable, but something the Avengers were capable of handling. Thus labeling Earth as a danger to possible invaders looking for a "higher form of war." For an extra bonus, the Tessaract was removed from Earth to lessen future attacks. As for Loki, he played the part of the cackling villain to attract the attention of the Avengers - in exchange for a clear path back to Asgard.
Both Loki and Fury are more than willing to get blood on their hands for the greater good. Neither of them are "good guys" in the traditional sense. ("A liar and killer, in the service of liars and killers.") Not by any means. But they're both the types to allow hundreds or even thousands of deaths to save billions in exchange.
It explains why the brainwashing wasn't entirely complete and Fury didn't die in the first scene. Where the enemies of S.H.I.E.L.D. managed to get the required tech and manpower together in a day or less. Where said manpower went at the end of it all. Why Loki didn't simply teleport out of his cage. Why Loki was so surprised that Thor showed up - S.H.I.E.L.D. didn't expect him to, as Fury said. Why Loki would be so stupid as to hand over the Tessaract in exchange for one measly planet, especially after seeing so many other worlds. And why he barely fought at the end, and sent out his "army" in small, easier to handle, batches.
It would be a perfect partnership for two Chaotic Neutral
antiheroes. Loki plays on each Avenger's weakness, and Fury pushes on their strengths. Yes, a lot of people die, but that's better than the alternative, isn't it?
- Well it's already been pointed out on this page that there's a lot of parallels between the movie and Watchmen ...
- "Hulk smash puny god thirty-five minutes ago."
Cap's shield was made from a molten down enchanted asgardian weapon, mixed with vibranium
As such, it has a number of the same properties seen in mjolnir, albeit to a lesser degree. Most notably, the effects from throwing it are amplified, as it moves faster and more accurately than seems possible. Second, it has a propensity for returning to its users' hand if the user wills it. Unlike mjolnir, it doesn't outright fly through the air when summoned, but it still allows some of the more impossible throws where the shield somehow returns to caps' hand. This would also explain why cap's shield seems to make a noise sometimes, similar to mjolnir.
- You can even expand this to say that this is the reason cap's shield can be moved around despite vibranium absorbing all incoming force. It is quite literally magic.
- It would also explain why only Captain America can wield it, as the shield has judged only him to be worthy.
- Bucky briefly wielded it during the fight on the train, so apparently he was worthy too. It'd make sense, considering what kind of person he is, and his relationship with Steve. That said, Johann Schmidt briefly uses the shield against Steve during their final fight, so it definitely isn't nearly as rigid about it as Mjolnir is.
- This would also explain why the shield reacts inconsistently to different forces. Sometimes it absorbs things, sometimes it disperses things, sometimes it reflects things. It depends on what it thinks makes the most sense.
Hawkeye is really, really really farsighted.
That's why he like to sit up in the rafters, because that's the only way he can see things clearly and, correspondingly, how he's able to fire his bow so accurately from really far away. The rest of the time he pays attention with his other senses to effectively fake good eyesight.
At some point in the films, it will reveal Fury is actually Nick Fury Jr
Based on how they brought in a Samuel L. Jackson
-looking Fury for the main comics, Nick Fury will at some point need help from a one eyed, cigar smoking old crank-his dad, Nick Fury Sr
, who stays alive via the Infinity Formula, was formerly in charge of SHIELD before his son, and is played by Liam Neeson (even though Neeson is 4 years younger than Jackson, but we can ignore that using the Infinity Formula explanation). This should please fans of the comic who had a mixed reaction to Fury being replaced by his son: In doing so, it will mean Marvel will try to tie i with this by still featuring the original Fury, pleasing the fans who proffered him to his son.
Black Widow and Hawkeye are actually Kim Possible and Ron Stoppable
S.H.I.E.L.D. recruited them but because they were so famous they had to take on new identities so as not to draw attention to themselves. Ron took up archery and the whole ‘red in my ledger’ was just a way to get ‘Natasha’ some infamy since she didn’t really exist. They explain their connection to each other by saying he brought her in to the organization. Oh, and Mr. Barkin’s name wasn’t actually Mr. Barkin, it was Phil Coulson. He was planted in their high school to keep an eye on them and introduce them to S.H.I.E.L.D. when he thought they were ready. That’s why he’s their handler, he’s had the most experience with them.
The main character of the film is Black Widow.
No, seriously. It all adds up.
Avengers 2 will be all about our heroes' trip to Shawarma's.
- It'll be a three and a half hour long film of the most awkward dinnertime small talk you've ever seen.
Harry Dean Stanton's character isn't a random security guard
- His one scene just seemed vaguely weird, probably due to being the only one he appears in. He might be some kind of supernatural something or other trying to guide Banner back onto the hero's path so he could help save the day.
The police chief who asks why he should take orders from Captain America is Gilmore Hodge's son.
- There's a fair chance that Hodge is actually from the New York area, if not the city itself. He and the police chief bear a passing resemblance, and the idea of Cap ordering around the descendant of someone who bullied him is too beautifully ironic to pass up. If Hodge fathered a child maybe twenty years after Cap went under, that'd work just fine.
Loki Descending Into Madness...
- Someone has already WM Ged about the possibility that Loki falling off of Bifrost during Thor may have driven him insane. With the recently released Iron Man 3, one huge plot element is Tony having severe anxiety attacks and PTSD from being in that wormhole for a few seconds. I'd say the theory about Loki is now confirmed.
- We're still missing some information here. We don't know what Loki was exposed to between the end of Thor and the start of The Avengers. We do know that Tony Stark flew through the portal carrying a nuclear missile that was going to go off at any second, and that he came very close to dying. The parallel still does lend some credence to the theory, but it's possible that their respective conditions were caused by things besides just being in the wormhole.
Loki was confronted by one of the Outer Gods
in the Abyss.
And went mad with the revelation
somewhere along the line. However, he's a God, so maybe instead of just going outright loony, when he was shown the true nature of reality, he gained a twisted, warped look at the universe, and what was left of his unhinged his mind went into shambles. His trying to bring free will to an end, and dominate all of humanity, is his idea of freeing them from this twisted reality, since without free will, they can't see what he saw. Take your guess over which Outer God, but I'm going to guess either Daoloth, since his form might have shattered Loki's mind, or Azathoth, since he's the embodiment of Chaos, and it would make sense if Loki was so horrified and driven mad that he believed free will WAS chaos, and he must destroy it. What do you guys think?
Tony's PTSD will be brought up in The Avengers 2.
Thanos' mastery of Death will allow him to resurrect the villains that have died throughout the course of the series.
He will bring back phantoms of the Red Skull (assuming he died), the Iron Monger, Aldrich Killian
, Whiplash, and whoever the hell else he wants to to help take out the Avengers.
- It's very simple. Loki tried to commit suicide at the end of "Thor". While he's still carrying on his plan in The Avengers, almost every single time he deals with someone in a position to kill him, he goes all out to be a Jerk Ass. He goes on fighting Cap even with the Quin Jet ready to cut him in half with their chaingun. He pushes Thor's buttons all through their initial chat. He mouths off to Nick Fury, who's just indicated that he could easily kill Loki. He tries to terrorize the Black Widow. He nails Coulson right in front of Thor and then acts all swaggery about it, just to irritate Thor. He all but invites Tony to fight him at Stark Tower. He stabs Thor in response to an offer of "let's work together", and when Thor doesn't kill him, he throws himself off the building. He rides around on a Chitauri chariot, which is just perfect for getting shot down. And then, when faced with the Hulk, tries to piss him off and doesn't even bother to defend himself. As one last act of assholery, with Barton's probably explosive arrow pointed right in his face, he makes a smart remark about having a drink. He is trying to commit Suicide by Cop throughout the entire movie.
- I Like this theory, except I wouldn't go so far as to say he was trying to commit Suicide by Cop,as he clearly still wants to win throughout the whole film. I Don't think it's so much he wanted to die, he just didn't care if he did.
Loki isn't a loyal god.
The Chitauri invasion would not of gotten far.
1. Their weapons are flashy, but not very practical
. The plasma beams could do a fair amount of damage, although it does seem like a human being could survive a direct hit (although the human taking said hit was Captain America). However, their blasts have a LONG travel time, which would give them some major problems in anything but Urban combat. The flying bike things are very agile (only Iron man could out fly them) but their only offensive weapons are two of the blasters at the front of the bike, plus a rifleman chained to the back. Essentially, they have the same weapon arrangements as biplanes. It would be almost impossible for one to take out, say a modern jet in a dogfight (let alone able to fend off over the horizon heat seeking missiles).
2. They don't even seem to bother with armor. Over the course of the battle, the footsoldiers are killed very easily by handguns, a [[i]]bow[[/i]], and a [[b]]fist[[/b]] (not just the big green one either). The only things that were hard to take down, the space whales, could only really attack things either by dropping off troops, or ramming into things. They do have some notable weak spots, such as their unarmored faces.
3. They do not act like military force, but a raging group of barbarians on a hunt. Instead of seeking out high priority targets, the police, military, S.H.E.I.L.D., or the Avengers, they fly around, spreading random destruction and terror. We see them gather up large groups of civilians, just so they can chuck a bomb into the group. They resort to melee weapons at almost hilarious regularity. Since we know the Other doubts humanity could do anything but burn in the face of his army, we can bet he just told them "prepare for the slaughter."
4. The portal is the ultimate choke point. It doesn't matter how many more they have on the other side, the invasion force is limited to how many troops you can get through a hole about the size of large city block. E Ven
if they could secure the city, that portal is a logistical nightmare.
5. They are starting their invasion in a nation that spends more on it's military than the next ten nations combined.
By the time the battle of New York was over, only some ground troops and humvees had managed to help out (most likely because S.H.I.E.L.D. ordered that the city be nuked and told the US army to stay clear). Yet, an entire invasion force was stopped in it's tracks by three super powered beings and two completely normal (although highly exceptional) agents. If that army faced off against an actual military force, the aliens would of been the ones to court death.