Wild Mass Guesses about the Dresdenverse
: its history, its power-blocs, how magic works, etc:
The Oblivion War was started by Rashid, or an earlier Gatekeeper, and uses non-Wizards because Wizards would break the Seventh Law of Magic simply by getting involved
- Jossed by Cold Days, unless it was started for this purpose but was suborned later on. It's the forces of Winter that have been defending the Outer Gates for thousands of years, and Thomas tells Bob that the Venatori had tried to ditch the faeries in "Backup".
- Alternately, there is no real "Oblivion War". Rather, the Venatori are being used by one faction or another to attack rival supernatural 'players', regardless of whether or not they're preserving knowledge of ancient godlings. This faction is using the notion of Oblivion to ensure that their cats-paws keep their activities completely secret.
- Or the Oblivion War is real but, partly due to security and partly because almost no one knows this, they didn't realize that the faeries are the army holding the outsiders back.
- No, the original WMG seems pretty valid. The forces of Winter at the Gates hold back the Outsiders' main assault while the Venatori deal with any trying to sneak into this universe via summoning or belief.
Nelson Lenhardt or Rosanna Marcella will return to seek vengeance on Molly
In the film Iron Man 3, we see how Tony Stark's flippant rudeness and outright cruelty to a then insignificant Aldritch Killian caused Killian to develop an obsession with proving himself and with avenging himself on Tony. Similarly, in Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, we see how Kirk's disregard of Khan, a character who was just another villain-of-the-week, led to Khan's overwhelming thirst for revenge and an obsession to prove himself superior to the manThe films are about how seemingly insignificant past mistakes can come back to bite you in the ass in a big way, and how supposedly small insignificant nusiances can sometimes grow to become dangerous, life-threatening adversaries. Similarly, both nelson and rosanna were just side characters in the novel of Proven Guilty. Is it possible that one, or both, of these characters will return to seek vengeance on Molly? After all, we see that Molly often makes really poor decisions out of a desire to help people, decisions which no doubt have had far reaching consequences. Perhaps this bad decision will come back to haunt her in a HUGE way, as she is forced to confront the very real damage her poor decisions have made, just as Harry did during Ghost Story. It's not like there aren't anyone interested in recruiting revenge-obsessed young men and women eager for the power. For example, Tessa from the Denarians is ALL about that. Also, Leansidhe helped Harry get back at Justin Du Morne
Red Court members are the basis of the chupacabra legends.
You're hungry, you're stuck in a village where the people are locked in their houses and protected by threshold law, and the only animals around are dogs, large cattle (sometimes), and goats. It's not very nourishing, magically, but wouldn't you tear into a goat or (if possible) a calf or two and drink as much of their blood as possible if you were a Red Court vampire in this situation?
The entire series is all Morgan's fault.
reveals that the Outsiders, and Nemesis with them, have been making a major push to invade Reality-as-we-know-it
, and practically all
of Harry's problems, from Justin to the Vampire War to the Black Council to faerie politics, stem from this fact, either directly or indirectly. We have every reason to believe that the naagloshii are agents or allies of the Outsiders in the mortal world
. When Morgan defeated one of them by luring it onto a nuclear test site to get atomized, he inadvertently alerted the Outsiders
to just how advanced and deadly mundane human weaponry had become. This spurred Nemesis
to take action now
, while the other supernatural power-blocks were still naive about such weaponry, and can be surprised by vanilla-human technology in the hands of Outsider
minions. (Also before we Muggles can come up with anything too lethal for them
to cope with.)
The Fellowship of St. Giles continues to operate after Changes.
While the destruction of the Red Court may have killed all of their half-vampire members who were old enough to age to death, and freed many of the young ones to return to their old lives as mortal humans, others who survived and had already lost everyone they loved to the Reds may have stuck around to continue battling the other Vampire Courts out of vengeance and/or principle. While they'd have lost their enhanced strength and endurance as half-Reds, they would retain their training and experience as covert monster-slayers even as mortals. Also, it's implied that other types of supernaturally-touched outcasts and refugees were also affiliated with the Fellowship, possibly half-trolls like Meryl or others who'd benefit from their guidance in suppressing destructive/predatory/inhuman impulses.
- Good idea. Aside from helping Changelings, I expect a large part of their work now may (hillariously enough) become being matchmakers: the best way to defeat the White Court is to have its younger members fall in love before they fully turn, and so let the court go peacefully extinct.
Some time around the end of Grave Peril, an agreement that Chicago would act as a neutral ground either broke down or expired.
Chicago is a major mortal population center, with a huge confluence of ley lines, notable political pull, lots of money going around, and excellent Nevernever Ways. Yet, at the start of the series, these are the major supernatural denizens of the city:
- Only two Wizards in it (or, in fact, anywhere in the Midwest as far as we can tell) - one who probably came there precisely because it was far from the rest of the Council, and one who followed him to try and cut his head off.
- Well, don't forget, it's been stated that there are only a few hundred Wardens total. We don't know how many wizards there are in the Midwest, just how many wardens there are.
- A mansion owned by the Raith family which is seldom occupied (recall: Laura runs her operations there, but when Lord Raith called the shots, she traveled a lot, and it was a surprise reveal for him to show up in Chicago at all),
- Given that Lara is still maintaining the illusion that Lord Raith is in charge, it's likely that he is continuing to move. If Lara joined him, it'd be a pretty clear sign that something is up.
- A minor Red Court presence which has not even become an official Court yet.
- Bianca was a noble, and that was her court. It's a pretty major plot point in Changes.
- WRONG. Bianca becoming a noble (and getting her court officially recognized) is a major plot point in Grave Peril. Until then, she's just a random spawn of Ortega.
- A Knight Of The Cross, often out of town on his travels (and it cannot be that most people avoided the city out fearing Michael - he shows up all over the place, and his home and family were said to be secret to the community at large).
- There lots of Dew Drop Faeries, even if the early books. Toot is just the one that Harry knows.
A few books later, the White Court is based out of the city, Summer and Winter routinely pay it more focus than anywhere else, Denarians make two different plays for power there, The Heirs Of Kemmler fight their last battle over Darkhallow, etc. Why the sudden change? Some sort of agreement either ended, or was considered ended by Harry's often violent actions in Chicago.
- Most of these changes and events are related directly to three specific events. 1) Harry being in Chicago. (Second Denarian action, most of the actions by the Fae after Summer Knight) 2) Marcone being in Chicago, (the first time the Denarians showed up, chasing the Shroud, which Marone had had stolen. The Heirs of Kemmler showing up, which was because a minion of Marcone's had found his last book and hidden it in Chicago. 3) The Weakening of the Barrier between the real world and the Nevernever by the Black Council, which caused the Summer and Winter Courts to show up since they were able to move a portion of their courts to the real world.
- And the second of those factors (Marcone) is probably only a factor because of the first. Until he had his face-to-face confrontation with Harry in Storm Front, Marcone probably wasn't even sure that magic was for real: he'd heard rumors about it, and probably about Bianca's nature and SI's previous run-ins with monsters, but he had to see Dresden tossing evocations around to be entirely convinced. If Harry'd never given him that demonstration that there are hidden forces at work in his Verse, he'd probably never have expected the Shroud to be any more than an historical knickknack.
- So, without Harry and Marcone, the entire world would just totally ignore this huge ley line nexus? If anything, this is evidence that Harry and Marcone unknowingly broke the truce that kept Chicago off-limits, not that no such agreement ever existed.
- Of course, if such an agreement existed, don't you think someone would have mentioned it by now? I mean, I don't know about you, but some major, important truce that existed that affected the entire supernatural community might be well-known enough that the White Council - and thus Harry - would know about it. I mean, these kind of agreements don't exactly work if some random supernatural schmoe like Harry can accidentally break and thus invalidate them through ignorance.
- In fact, Ortega does offer to have Chicago declared "neutral territory" for the purposes of the Council/Court conflict, provided Harry defeats him during their duel from Death Masks. Harry's reaction suggests that affording the city such status is an entirely new idea to him, not something that had once applied and only needed to be re-established.
- Don't forget that the reason so much stuff happens in Chicago is that it is a major merging point of ley lines. Most such locations are apparently heavily guarded, like Edinburgh. The major stuff around the Winter and Summer Courts happens there for that exact reason, the Shroud ends up there because its a transport hub, the Darkhallow takes place there because its a ley line hub, the whole issue with the Denarians and the Archive happened there precisely because of Marcone and Harry's presence, and the White Court operates there because there's a lot of money, communication, and transportation passing through.
- Why isn't this hub guarded or claimed?
- If it really is that powerful then nobody will want to let anyone else take solo control. The minute one group tried to stake a claim, all the others would gang up on them to maintain their own shares of the pie. Trying that kind of power grab would be an invitation to war.
- Possibly it was guarded centuries ago, by Native American powers that once held sway in the region. With the suppression of indigenous cultural beliefs by European and Judeo-Christian traditions, possibly with a little help from the Oblivion War, these powers faded away and left the site open to a power-grab, which is precisely what the Red Court was attempting when Bianca was promoted to their nobility (remember her speech?). Sure, it took a few generations for one of the power-blocs to make the attempt, but that's not surprising when you consider the lifespans and/or immortality of the contenders.
- It might be that instead of there being a truce that was broken, it's simply a forgotten safety ban. Imagine that instead of everyone agreeing that there needed to be some place everyone could talk, everyone agreed that the area was simply too dangerous for the supernatural world to inhabit. Over the years it just so happens that the world has forgotten what a powerful place it was and the influx of vanilla mortals puts the supernaturals at ease. It could be that Demonreach once extended much farther than that one little island, but the water has since risen and cut off the source.
- Or it could be that every major nexus in the world has been subject to similar incursions by the supernatural, of late: we just don't hear about them, because those locations' resident wizards are just as proud, overworked, and/or suspicious of the Council as Harry, so don't have the time or inclination to bitch about their troubles where Harry will hear of it.
Climate Change is being caused by a shift in battle in favor of the Outsiders
Desden tells the audience early on that climate change is a product of the changing tides of the war between the Summer and Winter courts. We then learn in Cold Days that the bulk of Winter's forces is occupied keeping Outsiders, well, Outside, and Summer exists to keep Winter in check and prevent them from abusing the massive armies required for this task.
Given Climate Change, we know that, over the past couple of centuries in general and the past few decades in particular, its clear that something
is tilting the balance of power in the Summer-Winter conflict in favor of Summer, or at least more in favor than it has been. Obviously, it's that the war with the Outsiders isn't going very well at the moment, forcing Winter to divert forces away from their border with Summer and to the border with Outside.
All Outsiders were once human
- This is why the Almighty rarely involves himself directly with Outsiders (they're the product of free will) and why they're so dead-set on destroying reality. They're people who become so bitter/self-involved/evil they give up their humanity entirely, become monsters, and try to destroy everything they feel made their life miserable before—namely, everything.
- Cold Days reiterates that the Outsiders are old - Real old. Since the beginning of time old. And definitely older then humans. That, and its quite explicate that the reason Outsiders are so terrifying is that they are not of our universe.
The Denarians are/were Outsiders
The Denarians are fallen angels. Mac was long WM Ged
to be related to the divine. The anathema was long hypothesized to be like the Denarians, only maybe with Lucifer or something. The anathema of Lea's behaved like a Denarian, but was an Outside that can spread like a disease to many. "Parasite" is a term used to describe Nemesis, but in Ghost Story a Parasite is keeping Harry's body working. Why would Demonreach, and especially Mab, work to save the life of a person they know is compromised, agree to keep it a secret from Harry, and then send him into his first assignment against its fellow conspirators/agents? Unless it is a different parasite, Lash, who is stated would have a presence in Ghost Stories? Low level infection by Outsiders is increased chaos and such, sounds like Harry as he was beginning to succumb to Lashiel.
The Denarians are/were Outsiders, and Lashiel's Shadow, Lash, giving Harry immunity to Nemesis by being a parasite already "infecting" him would be just in line with his stupidly high dumb luck stat.
Mortals are immune to Nemesis
If it could infect mortals, then we could assume that at least one of the human villains were infected. And since it can infect something as powerful as Cat Sith over a matter of hours, it should have spread a lot faster, even to Rashid and the Merlin. Since it evidently hasn't, or Harry would already be doomed, then it must not be able to affect mortals so easily, possibly at all.
The Black Council, then, may not be working for Nemesis. They may have engineered it, or simply be voluntary Outsider collaborators. The human villains in other books weren't controlled by Nemesis, they were either mind controlled, or much more believably, they made their own choices
- So I'm guessing you missed the part where Lily told Harry that his first three major cases, all of whom were mortals, were infected by Nemesis.
- And how did Lily know this, again?
- Also, the Shadowman and the Nightmare weren't pure mortals, they were both magic-users, and Denton only became vulnerable to Nemesis when he was using the Hexenwulfen belt. It's possible that opening yourself to magic also opens you to this sort of influence.
- Who cares where Lily found out about it? Harry SAW Nemesis. Remember when he Soulgazed Denton and saw how his soul had been plastered and painted with disgusting black filth?
- The Shadowman's house was likewise stained to Harry's Sight, possibly because Sells wasn't very precise at magic and his Nemesis-sullied magical energies had soaked into the premises.
- It seems there's more than one kind of "infected" by Nemesis. Cat Sith was a puppet with no personality; but Maeve still had her individuality. How Nemesis infects humans may simply be different.
- Maeve was cooperating with Nemesis willingly. She wanted it. Cat Sith was taken against his will, so Nemesis had to overpower his personality before it could control him, which was why he was turned into a puppet.
Black Magic corruption is really Nemesis.
The White Council are mistaken about black magic, in that it doesn't directly
corrupt its users: rather, it renders them susceptible to Nemesis infection. The Council's practice of immediately executing black magic's practitioners means they've never taken the time to study what actually goes on when people succumb to it, so they have no idea that it's an external contamination. This might explain why Kumori doesn't seem nearly as heartless or twisted as other necromancers: she's already
working for Cowl on the Black Council's behalf, so Nemesis has no need to infect her to use her for its own ends.
Demonreach is the place on Earth that most closely corresponds with the Outer Gates in the Nevernever.
- Rashid the Gatekeeper did seem to think the name was oddly appropriate. And Harry being able to invoke the island as a sanctum would correspond with his alluded-to ability to have authority over Outsiders. And the island does serve as the source of a very powerful and very dark ley line. And Ebenezer did write that Harry was one of the few he'd trust to oversee the place, although he also implied that a similar trust in Maggie was misplaced.
- Demonreach is revealed in Cold Days to be a prison for things more evil and powerful then anything we've seen so far. The ley lines flowing from Demonreach are just the prisoner's waste heat. Harry actually goes to the Outer Gates with Mother Summer, and it's implied that without help from a near God Like being, the trip is a long one, well outside the range of a Never Never jump.
- Or at least that its in a part of the Never Never that doesn't correspond to the 'real world'.
Mother Winter's "walking stick" is the Blackstaff
I'm fairly certain the author mentioned the Blackstaff used to belong to someone else, who wants it back. Mother Winter can't travel around as easily because the Council has it now.
Humans wielding Soulfire (such as Harry) can grant Free Will to Spirits (such as Bob)
- Angels themselves are made of Soul™, but don't have Free Will. Spirits are basically a mind without a body or soul, as I understand it. The key to Free Will seems to be having both a soul and a mind, which only humans apparently do. Since it's fairly common for humans to exchange pieces of their souls, what if Soulfire allows Harry to give a piece of his soul away? Could he give Bob a soul? This may or may not extend to Faeries.
- The main problem is the only instances of Harry apparently giving Free Will to Bob, or Lash, or anyone is distinctly before he ever got access to Soulfire.
- I thought Bob still doesn't have free will, his nature is a reflection of people's impression of him. Lash was a shadow of an angel. It's possible that she was/is more vulnerable to soul exchange than Lasciel would have been, and she existed in Harry's mind, which probably made her "Human" enough to gain Free Will.
- Dead Beat has Bob deciding to side with Harry at the end, despite being, at the time, property of Cowl. Lash, likewise, is gone from the picture and makes her big sacrifice before Harry gets Soulfire (and is speculated to be the reason he has Soulfire in the first place).
- It's probable that Cowl setting Bob down and preparing to ascend to demigodhood left Bob without an owner, therefore Harry was able to "reclaim" him. It's kind of ambiguous. Lash, on the other hand, wasn't a true angel, and may have been susceptible to change in a way that Lasciel would never have been. Also kind of ambiguous.
A death curse doesn't necessarily need to be a curse
- This is primarily just idle speculation, but a death curse is, effectively, a wizard gathering up what's left of the energy keeping them alive and using it for one last powerful spell. They die in the process, and most times we see one used or discussed it's generally to get back at some enemy of the dying wizard (generally whoever's put them in the position of being close enough to death for it to be a viable action). It may be possible to do any sort of magic with it, though. Perhaps power and/or knowledge could be passed on to another (in fact, a variation on this could be an explanation for beings like the Archive), or otherwise-impossible enchantments could be laid on objects or people. If a dying wizard thought the best way to get the result they wanted was to, say, dump a ton of magical power into Harry (or, on the other side, one of his enemies), it could result in a massive power-up (either giving him the strength to overcome whatever deity he's facing at the moment or turning a foe into a much bigger threat). Or it could be used - by a wizard with enough power to throw into their death curse - to free Harry from his position as Winter Knight.
- Not too likely; Winter Knights are intended to be deployed against mortals as well as others, and have presumably been used to knock off wizards before, so Mab's probably already confronted and taken precautions against that possibility. "LOSE POWER!" isn't much harder for a bitter, dying person to holler than "DIE ALONE!", after all.
- Sub-WMG; A death "spell" can be used to grant wizard powers to someone.
- Alternatively, a wizard could create a working far beyond their normal skill to do pretty much anything and then power it with their own death. Note that death curses seem to break the normal 'magic can't think' rule, which is why 'Die Alone' was possible as a curse.
- Also, since Harry has Soulfire now, he could use a working based on a soulfire 'death curse' to Ascend to a Higher Plane of Existence: what other magic would let you channel your entire soul and magic through a spell in a controlled manner?
Raith is pronounced "Writhe"
- Stealth Pun. As in, "writhing around in ecstasy".
- Doubt it. Lara having a Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith ("In this house? What else?") kinda spoils that.
Kemmler is responsible for World War 2
In Ghost Story Evil Bob
dresses as a Nazi, has his realm in the shape of the German defenses of the beaches at D-Day and commands legions of werewolf Nazi soldiers. Since Bob
is a reflection of the person who owns him, Kemmler had a strong connection to the Nazis. He did much more than just reanimate mass graves in eastern Europe as we're told in Dead Beat
....that was just "Phase 2" of his plan to create an invincible army to bring about the Zombie Apocalypse
. The first was to use magic to give a few human dictators mind control powers and occult knowledge so that they could generate a sufficient body count...
- This one is less Wild Mass Guessing and more Reasonably Plausible Conjecture...
Every part of the nearby, relatively normal area where the Faeries live is positioned more or less relative to their respective parts of the earth, From a Certain Point of View
, but it's canon that different parts of the NeverNever are usually much closer to and/or possibly further from each other than their relative earth locations. Ergo, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the entire of the NeverNever is more or less flat, and the physical
as well as metaphorical edges just trail off into the wild zones. If your head starts hurting as soon as you understand this, if you ever do understand it, that's a good sign because that's how the NeverNever tends to work
The Fomor have stone skin.
It's mentioned that they're part-elf, but there's also an off-hand mention that they're lizard-like. Brown or lichenated stone skin cracking into a surface of small, loosely connected plates can look like scales, and fictional representations of the Fomor do
tend to have them made of stone as often as not. If they also have their fleshy bits showing, with the more physical, Fomor-blooded ones being mostly-stone brutes
and the more elven ones crossing the Bishonen Line
into a barely-stone form (no matter which type end up more magically powerful, though a subversion of Monstrosity Equals Weakness
would be interesting), that would be pretty cool in my opinion.
- Have we even seen a Dresdenverse elf up close in the novels yet? We've seen Sidhe, but they're not the same species of fae; for all we know, elves in this Verse might already be scaly or stone-like.
- What we've seen of the fomor actually makes them sound more like Deep Ones and fish people then anything else, though given their predilection for fleshwarping magics that may just be because they live underwater.
All wizards, not just Harry, are Scions.
Kincaid says he is 'as human as Harry is,' and it's never explained at all why Wizards have the power they do. It doesn't make sense that it's just out of the blue, and it's stated that wizards tend to reproduce wizards. Wizards are scions of some kind of unnamed divine/magical creature, and their unique bloodline gives them the ability to use magic. Also, Kincaid has lived for quite a long time, and he doesn't seem to actually age at all. This would likely mean that, if this theory is true, the scion blood in wizards - while diluted over the ages - is responsible for their ability to recover and their extended lifespan.
- Wizardry is just a talent at using magic; any mortal can use magic, its just that talented humans are naturally far better at doing so. Mortals with little magical talent and enough time and instruction (i.e. anyone with one of the denarii) can be very powerful, they just need a lot more work at it.
- Case in point, Thomas has no magical talent—but he can still do Harry's tracking spell as a ritual. He can't make one as strong as Harry, or as quickly, and it seems Thomas's version is strictly to find Harry in particular, but he can still pull it off. He looks it as a learned skillset, same as fixing a car or working a computer.
- Moreover, Butters was able to create a protective circle after having it demonstrated and explained to him once. This, from a guy who'd only recently begun to accept that magic was for real.
- Its been explained that everyone MIGHT be able to use magic but only wizards can sense magic, so a muggle trying to use magic is like a blind person trying to paint.
The effect that nuclear explosions have on the corresponding place in the NeverNever to ground Zero is to cement what little reality they have in place, at least for a time.
In Grave Peril
, Dresden uses a bag of powder that includes depleted uranium to counteract the ghost's unreality and get any bits of it that get struck by the powder stuck in the real world. I was wondering about what sort of backlash there might be on the other side of a just-closed portal to the NeverNever if a nuclear weapon went off (such as, for example, Morgan vs. the Elder skinwalker), and a slight disturbance from the explosion or a burst of change in the local geography just didn't seem right, and while absolutely no backlash would fit with the mythos, it wouldn't fit with the tone of the Dresden Files
. Thinking back to the depleted uranium powder, it is possible that a nuclear explosion (or at least one using uranium or transuranic materials) would actually have enough of a negative
backlash on the local NeverNever, assuming there was a sufficient link between it and the blast site (such as a just-closed portal), to temporarily make it less
shifting, the area and duration likely being based on the strength of the local connection to the real world and the size and strength of the bomb. I have a hunch that "real stuff" could have something to do with the Ways, but probably not.
Then again, I could be going entirely the wrong way with this, and it not only has no effect on the NeverNever but could make the place a den for Radiation Gnomes and turn the thing it landed on into a half-melted, nuclear-fire-spitting version of itself that will show up later in the series, if only through hearsay
. You never can tell with this series.
- It probably depends on the degree of integration to the Nevernever you're talking about. Some parts, especially in say Grave Peril, correspond closely to the real world, and thus would probably show the effects of a nuke, or at least it's devastation. At the same time though, much of the nevernever has little-to-no correspondence with the real world, and even the parts that do correspond often seem to be out of sync with the real world time-wise.
- I think that a nuclear explosion and it's destruction (not to mention it's status in the collective consciousness as the Ultimate Weapon) would change the connection between the Never Never and the real world. Just as the FBI headquarters and a hunting store link to the Erlking's Halls, a nuclear testing site would lead to the testing grounds of ancient magical superweapons. Or, in the case of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki sites, to the places where those weapons were employed.
- The uranium wasn't useful because it was radioactive, it was useful because it was HEAVY.
- Actually, it was useful because it was a rare earth metal. That makes it refined essence of elemental earth, useful for binding things of spirit to the physical world. Its the same way salt (as in salt of the earth) burned air furies in Codex Alera.
- Depleted Uranium works for Harry's Ghost Dust because Harry BELIEVES that it's disproportionately heavy. Another Practicioner could get the same result from lead or gold. Remember, Mort's Ghost Dust wasn't likely to have any ingredients he felt were unsafe. But a nuclear device doesn't distribute it's constituents with belief or intent, so they probably won't have any effect at all on the Nevernever.
...When a child younger than a certain point gains the shadow of a Fallen (or the fallen itself), the two become inextricably linked after a different point, once enough time has passed.
Had Michael's son gotten the denarius on him, he'd have become a demonic version of Jesus (with the God part of the deal one or two rungs lower, of course). Whether he'd be an Anti Christ
or not depends on the individual Fallen, of course.
- I don't believe that. Despite how it worked in Shezza's fanfiction, if that was the case then far more of the Denarians would be/have been taken as kids.
- I hadn't seen the Fanfic Recs page until checking what "Shezza's fanfiction" was about, or the work itself, so that was just coincidence. But I was really going more with the "it hasn't happened because no one's tried before" point, since it was a Desperation Attack and they had previously only given the coins to people who were old enough for a decent amount of magic to have awakened in them (regardless of whether they actually had powers).
- As Harry and multiple other characters point out several times, there was nothing desperate about it. Nicodemus is a Chess Master. He knew that there were two outcomes there. Harry picks up the coin, or Little Harry picks up the coin. Either way, he's (theoretically) gotten a powerful agent.
- Except that Lasciel was, in that book, stated to be typically opposed to Nicodemus - or at least not subservient to him. It seems more likely that his play was to corrupt and undermine an opponent who'd given him some trouble - ideally Harry Sr., but I imagine getting at Michael through Harry Jr. would have been a perfectly satisfying outcome. Or, perhaps it's simply "Now I'll be rid of her, finally", not much caring as to whether the coin was picked up by either of them - because he'd be rid of, more or less, an enemy either way. Lasciel's coin is buried by Harry Sr., Harry Jr. picks up the coin and Harry Sr. gets Sayna and the coin joins the other captured coins, or Sr. picks up Jr. and gets Sayna and the coin joins the other captured coins. And in any case he no longer has to worry about giving Cassius a coin, and thus doesn't invite Lasciel into his ranks. Not so much desperate as a good way to avoid a possible problem.
- This doesn't seem to apply to Dierdre, who has Denarian parents. Presumably they gave her a coin when she was very young, yet aside from the usual body-morphing any blackened denarius would provide, it doesn't seem to have turned her into anything worse than an incestuous human psycho-bitch.
If Cowl and Kumori succeed in abolishing death, we'd all be screwed.
Aside from the obvious problems, such as what happens if you're crushed to a pulp and can't die
, there's the question of "where does all the power come from?" When Harry casts Fuego, the energy comes from the environment. All other spells are the same way, and Harry repeatedly remarks how draining spellcasting can be. This magic is also responsible for how long wizards can live for. Now, imagine that everyone is tapping into this well forever.
- Abolishing death didn't work out to well when minus tried it, either.
- Yeah, I forgot about overpopulation.
- Harry points out a few downsides himself, actually.
- He just scratched the surface. Forget human overpopulation, what about all the animals and plants and fungi and bacteria and protists?
- Now, what if they gave everyone Resurrective Immortality instead? Or set things up so you reincarnate with all your memories.
The three major houses of the White Court are directly opposed to the three Swords.
Fidelacchius, Esperacchius, Amoracchius: Faith, Hope, and Love, "and the greatest of these is Love
." And the three biggest Houses feed on despair, fear, and lust, with the Raiths being the most powerful. It's not a perfect set of opposites, but if Raiths are repelled by true love, it makes sense for faith and hope to be the others' banes. All of which means that if Thomas gets any
one of the swords, it should be Amoracchius.
- Update: and the Dresden Files RPG hints that "truly selfless Hope and Courage" could be just as deadly, but there's a lack of experimental data to prove it. I was close. :)
- At one point during Changes, Harry fights off a Red Court vampire using his necklace, saying that the Red Court is the most vulnerable to objects of faith.
- It was stated explicitly, I think in White Knight, that the each of the three houses of the White Court are harmed by the opposite of the emotion they feed on. Love for the Raiths, courage for the Malvora, and hope for the Skavis.
- The RPG books suggest that there are White Court vampires that feed on wrath, so a Sword of Peace might appear/be created in time for the apocalyptic trilogy. Of course, the RPG books also suggest a Blue Court of vampires and an Autumn Court of the fae, so take it with a grain of salt.
- There probably can't be a Sword of Peace, because there are only three holy Nails to go around. Possibly the Spear of Destiny would be opposed to Wrath-feeding Whites.
- The benign side of Wrath isn't Peace, it's Passion. At least, that's what Harry points out to Lash in White Night, and she doesn't dispute this argument.
- Besides, Sword of Peace? A bit conflicted of nature there...
As in an above guess, the Fallen are Fallen because they refused to follow one of God's orders...
...And that order was to love, which angels can't do. Some of the angels twisted the instruction, such as Uriel's infatuation with humanity and (possibly) The Other Michael's lust for battle, but a few just said "no way, Yahweh" and got kicked out. In the mean time, Lash has come to know and care for Harry to the point that she would and did sacrifice herself willingly to save Harry, and what is the word for emotionally and intellectually caring about another person's life above your own? Some say "love". Ergo, in doing what she did, having lived in Harry for so long and seen humanity and himself through his own eyes and mind, respectively, Lash may have not only redeemed herself, but also became more than a "normal" angel... she became a human who simply doesn't have a body or brain to hold her.
- There is a key mistake in your theory. The Archangels Michael and Uriel are never stated or implied to be Fallen. So angels can love. Lash indicated the Fallen fell because they did not like following orders or the form of morality demanded angels follow.
- Except that the theory states that Michael and Uriel (and presumably others) found a way to follow the letter of the order to love, even if not the spirit - and the supernatural world operates on Exact Words. Basically, they found a way to love their duty whilst the Fallen did not find a way (or didn't care to find one) to comply with the letter of the command. Fits the way the setting operates, at least, if we assume that the capacity to love one's duty was always in the nature of the angels of the White God - or some special circumstance made their natures more fluid.
Angels, fallen or not, claiming not to have free will is bullshit.
- If Angels don't have free will, how on earth did a bunch of them say 'No' and then start a rebellion. That requires free will, after all. The Angels may not realize they have free will, much like Lash's Shadow didn't seem to clue into it, but they do.
- Roleplaying Game explains it. Demons do not have 'free will' either. They cannot act against their nature. While they could refuse to serve and fall, that just means they are just as enslaved, but now they can do nothing BUT rebel.
- But if they have the power to say 'No, I wont do that', then they're already acting against their nature. What's to stop a demon who now can do nothing but rebel from rebelling against that and acting neutral? I understand that as an RPG mechanic it works that way, and that from the angels/demons perspective that way, but as a Human Being with Free Will, that sounds an awful lot like a nice excuse for not using your free will, rather than not having it.
- Maybe angels have no free will, but God does. He creates them to fulfill certain roles, which they are locked into. When He changes His mind about what they should be doing, some allow Him to alter their assignments accordingly, but others are so committed to their initial tasks that they rebel rather than be changed.
- The nature of a supernatural creature seems to be bound up in their name - it's possible that their names were changed to allow for the change in nature, and that this didn't work out so well in some cases.
- It's more they have Intellectus on the effects of choices; especially their own choices. If you know immediately the result of your actions; and most of the possible reactions; then there really isn't any choice at all...unless you go full dark/crazy and forsake EVERYTHING.
There's an upcoming outsider invasion and half the factions knew for the entire series
So, Harry's capacity to burn straight through outsider magic immunity would be really important to anyone wanting to do anything at all relating to outsiders. And a whole lot of people have been variously gunning for or trying to recruit Harry. Here's a partial list:
- The Black Council has tried to kill Harry indirectly in like half the books, but Cowl and Kumori try to recruit him. Possibly some dissension in the ranks or a temporary change of plans that's later reversed.
- The Red Court tries to kill him in Grave Peril, recruit (or kill) him in Death Masks, and later kill him. The level of overlap with the Black Council is unknown.
- The White Court tries to kill him for only semi-related reasons. Later, Black Council elements try to kill him.
- The Denarians try to recruit him, with killing him as plan B.
- Demons attempt to recruit him directly.
- Rashid is uncertain of his loyalty and exceptionally worried about him.
- Mab is really insistent on recruiting him instead of shopping around the halls of powerful people in need of even more power, which includes the entire senior council.
- Team Heaven and subsidiaries attempt to recruit him, but that might be just or at least partially because they're generally nice people.
Basically, the theory runs like this: Somehow, all the above people are aware a whole bunch of outsiders are incoming. All of them want him around to a) Kill said whole bunch of outsiders, or b) bind them to their will. Both would rather kill him than have him do the opposite and either make the situation even worse or totally derail their evil plan. Their choice of tactics depends on which they believe more likely, Rashid and Mab are in camp A, the rest are in camp B.
- Cold Days confirms that an Outsider incursion is indeed underway and always has been since forever. but a major push has started a few years back, and one of Winter's major responsibilities is to provide defense for the Outer Gates, which means Harry's outsiderbane nature is probably part of what made him such an attractive Knight.
- Bear in mind that the Black Court are essentially reanimated corpses. To them, killing Harry is also a power play to put them on their side.
- Jim has said that Ferro is one of the only entities that could actually take down Mab. Now, obviously he's going to have a lot of raw power at his disposal, but what if it's more than that? Jim is a big fan of Meaningful Names, and there's something in Ferrovax's that counts. Ferro, which looks like Ferrum, the Latin word for "iron". In the Dresdenverse, Dragons are "semi-divine beings who were once given authority over various portions of the mortal universe, and who were responsible for their orderly procession." What if part of Ferrovax's "portfolio," for lack of a better word, is iron? He might be the reason that iron is the Bane to Faeries.
- Take the idea more widely: Its shown that every aspect of the Universe has an 'avatar' of some sort. Fairie's represent magic, Angel's represent God's will (Or 'Soul'), and so on. Dragons are the avatars of the physical world all together, and Ferrovax isn't Mab's equivalent, but is on par with the Mothers.
- Maybe Ferrovax, and other evil dragons, are like the Skinwalker: Semi-divine beings who were warped because they betrayed their purpose.
The Red Court is already alive again.
The magic used to destroy the Red Court by definition excluded those who weren't complete members (full vampires) at the time, meaning there are an unknown but significant number of people with the capacity to turn at any point in the future. It's implausible that at least one of them wasn't an agent of the Red Court or Black Council (who ought to have an interest in founding a new version of the former, with enough changes to its methods of operation). And while people in this series can have significant arrogance-derived blind spots, the sheer numbers who had to have been aware of the planned familicide, over the period of time said plans were in effect, almost demand somebody had to have seen the possibilities and made contingency plans. They're certainly crippled for now, and have good reason to abandon their former strongholds, resources, and mode of operation, but there's really no good reason to think they've been eradicated.
- It's explicitly mentioned that anyone who was infected, but not fully turned, was turned back into a normal human. For this to work, there'd have to have been someone who was infected after Susan fully turned and before she died (so, in the window of about 30 seconds, tops?) Going by the RPG's rules, anyone who wanted protection from the spell would have needed to create a spell of even greater power, and have it set up and executed before the ritual was finished, which is not a level of preparedness that you take to defend against an extremely remote possibility that depends on at least a dozen extremely unlikely events to happen.
So there might be one infected left, who would simultaneously be the most and least lucky creature on the face of the planet.
- It's mentioned in Ghost Story that there are several of them left, either ones in magically protected areas (presumably the force of the spell is diluted a bit by being spread out over thousands of targets rather than the expected two) or the youngest of them, depending on how exactly the spell was set up. It could be that it missed all those infected in the several years after Susan's initial infection, or those who were turned by vampires who turned after Susan was infected (Who would probably not be permitted to make new ones, but maybe they did anyway). Either would leave a small number of extremely feeble Reds left. This still leaves them in even worse shape than the Black Court though, and unlikely to recover any significant influence in the foreseeable future.
- It isn't when someone was infected that's important, but when they crossed over into being a full Red Court vampire. Susan was infected several years ago, and there would definitely have been a number of vampires created since then, but she was still considered "the youngest" when she was killed, because she had only just been converted fully.
- It's mentioned in Ghost Story that there might possibly be some of them left, not that there actually were.
- Even if the survivors start breeding as fast as they can, the court as a whole will still have lost most of it's power. At some point it was mentioned that the power of the red court (mind control, freakier healing and fleshmask powers, etc) was spread throughout all the vampires from their progenitor. But now all the Lords of the Outer Night are dead, and that power has been stripped out of the pool so to speak. All the new young vampires who survived have for the court is the juice they have on their own.
The previous Archives (Ivy's mother and grandmother) were murdered.
Ivy's grandmother was killed in a freak automobile accident, passing the position of the Archive to her seventeen year old daughter, who committed suicide after Ivy was born thus passing the position of the Archive to a newborn Ivy. Sounds like an unfortunate series of coincidences, right? Yeah, right. There's no such thing such as coincidences in the Dresden Files universe.
The Archive is an immensely powerful magical being. So much that Ivy, a twelve year old, managed to defeat a bunch of Denarians without breaking a sweat. How, then couldn't her grandmother protect herself from an automobile accident? I know that magic can't solve everything, but still, Ivy's grandmother should be able to protect herself. You'd think that a being as important as the Archive would be heavily protected like Ivy, who has Kincaid as a bodyguard. Keep in mind that some of the so-called accidents are cover-ups for something supernatural. For that matter, it would be pretty easy for a warlock to use thaumaturgy to cause an accident without anyone being the wiser.
Ivy's mother committed suicide. Really? Suicide is a premeditated act, not something you do on a whim. I don't know about you, but if I were the White Council, I'd go through some preventive measures to prevent someone as important and vital such as the Archive to do harm to herself. Shouldn't they do something to prevent her from killing herself? Of course, there are ways for someone to arrange murder while making it look like suicide. In-universe example: Elaine nearly killed herself out of despair in White Night because of a Skavis White Court vampire. She had already slitted her wrists and everything. If Harry didn't use the telepathic link between them to get rid of the Skavis's influence Elaine would have died. Hell, it would be easy for someone to use mind-control on her to spotlight her despair, like what Molly explained in Turn Coat.
By killing the two previous Archives and passing the position to Ivy, it compromises her supposed neutrality. Ivy, for all her maturity and knowledge, is still a child. Children aren't exactly known for their rationality, after all. The main reason why Nicodemus and Tessa's plan in Small Favor worked was because they took advantage of her age and feelings. They threatened Kincaid, the father she never had, and Harry, the person who gave her another name other than just 'The Archive'. Both were the only people who treated her as a human being, and that's why Nick and the Nickleheads managed to capture her. It wouldn't have worked if Ivy was older, or if the Archive had already formed a personality of her own before receiving the position. It's not that far of a stretch to think that it's a part of someone's plan.
- The Council does not have access to the location of the Archive at all times, nor would the Archive appreciate people spying on her family. Also, if the Archive decided to kill herself, what exactly is the Council going to do to stop her? She is a Signatory to the Accords, a faction all her own, and at least as powerful as a lesser Faerie Queen. They do not have the authority to tell her what to do nor do they have the raw power to do so, especially if they're trying to stop someone who could just Death Curse herself to death. I do think Ivy's grandmother's accident was suspicious, but her mom was a depressed teen that got overwhelmed. If I recall correctly, Ivy actually states she knows her mom killed herself, and she knows everything that the previous Archives knew (meaning she knows the thought processes that went into her mom deciding to kill herself).
- I don't really see how being the Archive makes one immune to automobile accidents. The Archive is pretty powerful magically, but she's still human. She could defend herself from nearly anything she knew was coming, but if she's got hurt, she'd die as easily as anyone else. A random car crash is pretty much impossible to predict ahead of time, and so impossible to defend against. It would probably be easier for the Archive to see an assassination attempt coming than a freak accident.
- As for suicide, you're operating under a false premise. Suicides actually are done impulsively, "on a whim," much more often than they are the result of long-term planning. A great many survivors of suicide don't make a repeat attempt, are glad that they survived, and go on to live long, happy lives.
The Red Court and Black Court have a common magical ancestor, as may the White Court and Jade Court.
It's quite probable that the Red and Black courts are simply blood feeders that happen to be called vampires and have Animal Motifs
and a weakness to sunlight, and the White and Jade courts simply feed off of spiritual assets and happen to be called vampires by English-speaking magi, but it's worth saying.
- Maybe the origin has something to do with Drakul?
One if the uses of the Stone Table in modern times is keeping all the extra power that would otherwise have been lost when a Summer or Winter Knight who was also a magic-user is retired
The Knight power would normally be the only thing to go directly to the nearest Court official, but if a Knight is killed on the Table when their master is in control of it, all of the rest of the power that the Knight brings to the table
is sent along with it.
The Outer Gates were completely trashed before the start of the series
Rashid and possibly other senior council members are keeping it quiet, but people can summon Outsiders as easily as anything else and without alerting the Gatekeeper now. It explains where all the Outsiders running around came from. If you count the spiders and super-ghouls as Outsider serfs, that makes a few hundred onscreen, and the ones that ambush retreating Warden heavy assault teams are definately Outsiders and quite numerous. The super-ghouls are kind of strange, really nasty, and associated with a confirmed Outsider, making them likely canidates for the Outsider Red Shirt Army
, while the spiders are creepy, powerful enough to actually be a valid assassination attempt against Senior Council members, and worked for the Black Council.
- Cold Days shows that the Outer Gates are still standing but are under attack, and something has already slipped through...
The only real Law of Magic is number 7, the one about messing with the Outer Gates
All other types of Black Magic weaken the Outer Gates in some way or another, which allows one or more Outsiders to influence whoever is using the Black Magic, hence the corrupting and addictive properties of Black Magic in the Dresdenverse. Due to his vaguely-alluded to ability to pwn Outsiders, Harry would be immune to these effects, like he seems to be from the following examples from the books:
- Though we haven't heard much of Harry's early time with Ebenezer, he didn't seem to display any of the mind-altering side effects that should come with killing a person. The one notable instance is when he talks about how he was being harassed by a group of teenagers, and instead of feeling an urge to call up a firestorm and burn them for their insolence, he considers the notion and then laughs at the thought of it.
- As for Ebenezer, to my understanding the Blackstaff itself acts as a buffer for the effects of breaking the laws.
- In Grave Peril, Harry killed a few innocent humans. Though they were either dying or were about to be Turned into vampires, he noted that some of them were still moving and he burnt them to a crisp. After this, instead of feeling high on power (as one does after using Black Magic), he was sick with guilt.
- This was probably because, IIRC, he didn't intend to burn them, he was trying to torch the vampires. He only realize what he'd done afterwards. The main reason Black Magic is so addictive is because you can't do anything with magic unless you believe it is right (so if you break, say, the First Law it means you believe that killing with magic is right and good). For that reason, accidental killing probably doesn't generate the addictive effects.
- Word of God says that Justin chose Harry and Elaine because they both have power over Outsiders, so Elaine would have the same immunity to Black Magic as Harry if this theory is correct. In Summer Knight, Elaine floods the Walmart with Mind Fog, which Harry says violates a law of Magic. So Elaine just used Black Magic to invade the minds of a couple dozen patrons, but afterward retains enough of her morality to risk her life to help Harry save the world.
- Molly broke a law without turning into a slavering monster. If lawbreaking were as mind-altering as you suggest, taking a warlock as apprentice wouldn't be an option, because only people with Outsider-killing abilities would be able to draw back from the abyss. Lawbreaking is a slippery slope, sure, but it doesn't automatically flip the Eeevil lever to the "on" position.
- Molly broke a Law twice, and even then in the soulgaze Harry saw the potential for her to go into full supervillain mode. Elaine broke that same law dozens of times in one sitting with the mind fog, and Word of God says that once of her foci stores up a memory of her own to force into someone's head in order to temporarily paralyze them, which means one of her main magical tools revolves around breaking a law of magic, yet she does not appear to be evil.
- A lot of mind magic is apparently a "grey area" that the Council has decided to apply a very wide ban to because it's so dangerous. Addictive black magic and things that break the Council's rules are not necessarily 100% in line with each other. In one book Harry removes someone's memory of traumatic magic and sends them to sleep, both of which do involve influencing their mind, but notes that even the Council accepts this use of magic.
- Very good point about the laws not being perfect.
- The one thing that all the laws have in common is that they're all willful violations of the natural order of things. The enumeration of the laws corresponds to the magnitude of the violation. Murder, transfiguration, knowing and changing another's thoughts, mucking with life and death, violating causality and breaching the bounds of Reality itself to deal with the things on the other side. The further you go, the more damage you do to yourself and the universe. Ultimately, this probably does serve the interests of the Outsiders, as they are opposed to the very concept of our reality.
- If murder inherently weakened the Outer Gates, they'd probably have fallen long ago. You don't need magic to kill people, after all.
- They're the Laws of Magic so only magical murders count. While all of the black magic of all the warlocks of history hasn't been enough to bring the Gates down, it probably hasn't helped.
- Still don't buy it. Killing people might be wrong in the moral sense, but it's not necessarily against the fundamental laws of nature in the same way that, say, warping a person's body or mind into something different would be. Humans' bad habit of killing is merely one of the nastier aspects of human nature, not something that violates our inherent qualities as a species: just ask Tera West.
- Killing someone using the energies of life itself however, is against the fundamental laws of nature. It's like turning on a light bulb to make a room darker. That shouldn't be possible. It's a perversion of the way things should be. (Note that there does seem to be "dark magic" in the series that seems to come from a source other than the life energy of the cosmos, but that it comes from "Outside", so using it to kill is already breaking another law of magic.)
- As Dresden has explained several times, killing someone with magic is even worse than an ordinary murder because its a perversion of the nature of magic. Magic is the force of life and creation in the universe. Its meant to be used for healing, protection, creation, and knowledge. Using that power to kill someone, or warp their mind and body, distorts something beautiful into a grotesque weapon. I think Dresden compared it to bludgeoning someone to death with a Monet painting at one point.
- Given that the First Law fairly specifically only covers humans killing other humans with magic, it may simply be a codified form of Ape Shall Never Kill Ape. Or alternatively evidence that humans are indeed objectively special in the setting, what with having the whole "soul" and "free will" thing going for them...
The recurring theme naming of "Margaret" is meaningful.
Harry's mother is named Margaret. Out of tribute to her, Susan named their daughter Maggie, short for Margaret. Harry's apprentice/potential-sorta-maybe love interest is Molly, which can also be a pet name for Margaret. Even Mab can be a pet name for quite a few things, including Margaret. There's likely more here than coincidence, if four women who feature very prominently in his life all share the common name.
- Molly is a pet name for Margaret. In Proven Guilty, Michael calls Molly by her full, given name, which is Margaret Katherine Amanda Carpenter.
- Hmm. As a Catholic girl, Amanda is quite possibly the name she took in her Confirmation. St. Amanda of Jerusalem is the patron saint of drawing; it's also the feminized form of Amand and St. Amand is the patron of brewers and vinters.
- According to The Other Wiki two possible origin/meanings for the name Margaret are "pearl" or "daughter of light." Not that the latter would be significant in the Dresdenverse...
There are no time travelers in Dresden Files
Because it's too damn dangerous. The Nevernever is too morphic and have too many supernatural nasties that will IMMEDIATELY pounce on you if you try it, while trying to do so in the mortal realms find out that it's very hard to be where you want when you want, and usually end up getting spaced because the planet is on the other side of the solar system. And the solar system itself moved. As did the galaxy. And the galactic cluster. And the galactic supercluster.
- If it's just suicidal, why would the Council forbid it?
- Two ways of looking at it. 99% suicidal, odds are the 1% that manage to survive will either be batshit crazy and/or insanely strong. Now you have a crazy, strong, crazy strong psycho in the time stream. 100% suicidal, for eachh would be dark arts dablers that thinks it is possible because of the law and get themselves killed it is one less dark arts dabler messing around with the other laws that are feasible.
- Cold Days Josses this big time Merlin used time travel to create Deamonreach
- Doesn't mean the Hounds of Tindalos won't start hunting you if you screw up though.
Harry's Outsider Influence is Partly Based on Ebenezar's Postion.
Lash said that there needed to be a confluence of events for Harry to be able to push the Outsiders around. One of those events is probably being born to the line of a Blackstaff, who could break the seventh law.
There is some sort of connection between the White Court and the Swords of the Cross.
White Court vamps feed upon unbalanced negative emotions—Lust, Fear, and Despair—and are burned by pure expressions of their healthy positive opposites—Love in the case of House Raith, and presumably Courage and Hope in the case of Malvora and Skavis. But Courage is conceptually very close to Faith
, and that gives us the three cardinal virtues of Christianity, after which the Swords of the Cross—Amoracchius, Fidelacchius, and Esperacchius—are named. That has to come into play somehow.
The series is Harry's writings in the wizards' journals that Ebenezer has.
It's already been hinted at that Harry might someday inherit the journals. It would also explain why the series is written in a first person narrative. Since the writing style fits Dresden's personality, it would make a lot of sense.
- Better yet: The novels are written when he's under a form of self-hypnosis that accesses perfect recall of events, much like how his flashbacks in Ghost Story brought up details he didn't consciously remember from his youth. That's why their narration gives the impression that each book is recorded immediately after the events it describes, not umpteen years later as a senior wizard's memoirs: he's recounting his adventures as he digs through his old memories and re-lives them.
Nemesis works by giving Free Will.
Most supernatural creatures have no protection against mind control once their initial non-Free Will nature is overridden. (There has never been any reason).
- Maeve, originally being a Changeling, had Free Will originally and thus it was easier and more effective to convince her to cooperate.
Outsiders are completely exempt from most rules about magic
Nemesis has show that they can override the fundamental nature of supernatural beings, and it's clear that magic doesn't work on them. Furthermore, they seemed to be able to operate pretty effectively underwater, and He-Who-Walks-Before managed to remain in the mortal realm through a sunset. So it seems that the Outsiders don't have to bow to most of the rules other beings do. One in particular could very well be that they can kill immortals wherever and whenever. Otherwise assaulting the Outer Gates would be pretty much pointless. Now, this does lead to the question of why they attacked Demonreach on Halloween, but it should be pointed out that they were using mortal proxies for the actual offensive rituals and Maeve was the one who ended up actually shooting an immortal. It seems unlikely they could effectively threaten reality if most of the entities truly critical to the natural order can't die
- It makes sense since they're from outside reality. But, just to note, its staying in reality through sunrise that's a big deal, not sunset.
- Doing magic underwater is not a big deal. Only running water grounds out magic.
- Both sunrise and sunset interfere with magic, although it's true that a given entity/spell might only be susceptible to one of them. However, the lake definitely counts for grounding out magic; that was a serious problem in the fight with the Redcap.
Iron has power over Fae because of its atomic stability.
We know that ghost dust's power derives from the fact that the heavy metals inside it symbolize reality and solidity, so we know that objects with those magical properties can have power over denizens of the Nevernever. Furthermore, iron is the
single most stable element on the nuclear level-it has a stronger nuclear binding force, and thus a more stable and solid nucleus, than any other element. Isn't it possible that this physical property carries over into its magical properties, and that it is iron's magical solidity that makes it able to harm fae so severely?
- Iron is not particularly stable; if it was, it wouldn't rust so easily. The most stable elements are the noble gasses, on the far right of the periodic table. They each have a complete set of electrons in their outer shells. Iron is one of many transition metals, with gaps in the electron shell which readily bind to the electrons of other atoms.
- "Nuclear" != "chemical". "Stability" in one sense does not carry over to the other.
It's not that magic in and of itself interferes with technology at all. It's that it's very strongly tied to the belief of its practicioner...and so wizards who reflexively believe
that their magic should have some sort of adverse side effect unconsciously use it to impose just that belief on their immediate environment. And the more often they see it happen, the more convinced they naturally become...
The Walking Techbane
phenomenon results from Muggle presumptions about how magic works.
It's not the subconscious belief of the wizard that makes them a Walking Techbane
, but the collective belief of humanity in general
that Man Was Not Meant To Mess With such forces, or possess such power as wizards do. Creatures like fey or monsters are supposed
to be supernatural, so are exempt from such restrictions, but mortal humans having such abilities runs counter to Nature as it's generally understood by Muggles.
Among other things, this would account for the way wizards' side-effects have changed over the course of history. In ancient times, magic was thought of as something which fey or nature spirits had exclusive rights to, so wizardry has the same side effects (e.g. spoiled milk) that hostile fairies traditionally made happen out of mischief. Later, when monotheism had taken hold over most of the world, magic was considered the work of the Devil, and wizards developed "witch marks" because most people assumed (wrongly) that they'd be marked by evil.
The current techbane phenomenon dates back to World War II
, when the advent of rocketry, jet planes, mass mechanized warfare, and especially
nuclear weapons elevated physics from academic obscurity to the most awesome force known to Man. Magic, by its very nature, flagrantly violates the laws of physics, as understood (more or less) by the majority of the world's population: a violation which most people would assume have negative consequences. Hence, anything invented since
WWII that's based on advanced physics - indeed, anything that someone from the 1940s would've considered "high-tech" in general - malfunctions in the presence of human-cast magic, which tampers with the very laws such devices depend on.