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* More likely it's form is pure MindScrew, where things are as far away from each other as they want.
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[[WMG: Outsiders are alien fae]]

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[[WMG: Outsiders [[WMG:Outsiders are alien fae]]



[[WMG: The Dresdenverse is a gigantic MMO for Elder Gods]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Dresdenverse is a gigantic MMO for Elder Gods]]




[[WMG: Demonreach's counterpoint in the [=NeverNever=] is Tartarus.]]

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\n[[WMG: Demonreach's [[WMG:Demonreach's counterpoint in the [=NeverNever=] is Tartarus.]] ]]



[[WMG: The Oblivion War was started by Rashid, or an earlier Gatekeeper, and uses non-Wizards because Wizards would break the Seventh Law of Magic simply by getting involved]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Oblivion War was started by Rashid, or an earlier Gatekeeper, and uses non-Wizards because Wizards would break the Seventh Law of Magic simply by getting involved]] involved]]



[[WMG: Nelson Lenhardt or Rosanna Marcella will return to seek vengeance on Molly]]
In the film Iron Man 3, we see how Tony Stark's flippant rudeness and outright cruelty to a then insignificant Aldritch Killian caused Killian to develop an obsession with proving himself and with avenging himself on Tony. Similarly, in Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, we see how Kirk's disregard of Khan, a character who was just another villain-of-the-week, led to Khan's overwhelming thirst for revenge and an obsession to prove himself superior to the manThe films are about how seemingly insignificant past mistakes can come back to bite you in the ass in a big way, and how supposedly small insignificant nusiances can sometimes grow to become dangerous, life-threatening adversaries. Similarly, both nelson and rosanna were just side characters in the novel of Proven Guilty. Is it possible that one, or both, of these characters will return to seek vengeance on Molly? After all, we see that Molly often makes really poor decisions out of a desire to help people, decisions which no doubt have had far reaching consequences. Perhaps this bad decision will come back to haunt her in a HUGE way, as she is forced to confront the very real damage her poor decisions have made, just as Harry did during Ghost Story. It's not like there aren't anyone interested in recruiting revenge-obsessed young men and women eager for the power. For example, Tessa from the Denarians is ALL about that. Also, Leanansidhe helped Harry get back at Justin DuMorne.
* [[spoiler: Unless one of them somehow winds up as the Summer Knight or the new ruler of a vampire Court or something, it's unlikely they could lay a finger on Molly now that she's the Winter Lady.]] Also, given that Murphy got demoted and lost her influence over the Splattercon!!! investigation, it's likely that Nelson ''did'' get blamed for the rampage: he was the only suspect in the first attack, lacks an alibi for the later ones, and went batshit insane by the end of the novel. So he's most likely institutionalized and/or in prison.

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[[WMG: Nelson [[WMG:Nelson Lenhardt or Rosanna Marcella will return to seek vengeance on Molly]]
In the film Iron Man 3, we see how Tony Stark's flippant rudeness and outright cruelty to a then insignificant Aldritch Killian caused Killian to develop an obsession with proving himself and with avenging himself on Tony. Similarly, in Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, we see how Kirk's disregard of Khan, a character who was just another villain-of-the-week, led to Khan's overwhelming thirst for revenge and an obsession to prove himself superior to the manThe films are about how seemingly insignificant past mistakes can come back to bite you in the ass in a big way, and how supposedly small insignificant nusiances can sometimes grow to become dangerous, life-threatening adversaries. Similarly, both nelson and rosanna were just side characters in the novel of Proven Guilty. Is it possible that one, or both, of these characters will return to seek vengeance on Molly? After all, we see that Molly often makes really poor decisions out of a desire to help people, decisions which no doubt have had far reaching consequences. Perhaps this bad decision will come back to haunt her in a HUGE way, as she is forced to confront the very real damage her poor decisions have made, just as Harry did during Ghost Story. It's not like there aren't anyone interested in recruiting revenge-obsessed young men and women eager for the power. For example, Tessa from the Denarians is ALL about that. Also, Leanansidhe helped Harry get back at Justin DuMorne.
DuMorne.
* [[spoiler: Unless [[spoiler:Unless one of them somehow winds up as the Summer Knight or the new ruler of a vampire Court or something, it's unlikely they could lay a finger on Molly now that she's the Winter Lady.]] Also, given that Murphy got demoted and lost her influence over the Splattercon!!! investigation, it's likely that Nelson ''did'' get blamed for the rampage: he was the only suspect in the first attack, lacks an alibi for the later ones, and went batshit insane by the end of the novel. So he's most likely institutionalized and/or in prison.



[[WMG: Red Court members are the basis of the chupacabra legends.]]

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[[WMG: Red [[WMG:Red Court members are the basis of the chupacabra legends.]]



[[WMG: The ''entire series'' is all Morgan's fault.]]
''Cold Days'' reveals that [[spoiler: the Outsiders, and Nemesis with them, have been making a major push to invade Reality-as-we-know-it]], and practically ''all'' of Harry's problems, from Justin to the Vampire War to the Black Council to faerie politics, stem from this fact, either directly or indirectly. We have every reason to believe that [[spoiler: the naagloshii are agents or allies of the Outsiders in the mortal world]]. When Morgan defeated one of them by luring it onto a nuclear test site to get atomized, he inadvertently alerted [[spoiler: the Outsiders]] to just how advanced and deadly mundane human weaponry had become. This spurred [[spoiler: Nemesis]] to take action ''now'', while the other supernatural power-blocks were still naive about such weaponry, and can be surprised by vanilla-human technology in the hands of [[spoiler: Outsider]] minions. (Also before we Muggles can come up with anything too lethal for ''them'' to cope with.)

[[WMG: The Fellowship of St. Giles continues to operate after ''Changes''.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The ''entire series'' is all Morgan's fault.]]
''Cold Days'' reveals that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Outsiders, and Nemesis with them, have been making a major push to invade Reality-as-we-know-it]], and practically ''all'' of Harry's problems, from Justin to the Vampire War to the Black Council to faerie politics, stem from this fact, either directly or indirectly. We have every reason to believe that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the naagloshii are agents or allies of the Outsiders in the mortal world]]. When Morgan defeated one of them by luring it onto a nuclear test site to get atomized, he inadvertently alerted [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Outsiders]] to just how advanced and deadly mundane human weaponry had become. This spurred [[spoiler: Nemesis]] [[spoiler:Nemesis]] to take action ''now'', while the other supernatural power-blocks were still naive about such weaponry, and can be surprised by vanilla-human technology in the hands of [[spoiler: Outsider]] [[spoiler:Outsider]] minions. (Also before we Muggles can come up with anything too lethal for ''them'' to cope with.)

[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Fellowship of St. Giles continues to operate after ''Changes''.]]



* Jossed. [[spoiler: The Fellowship falls apart after the destruction of the Red Court, in large part because much of their leadership was comprised of half-vampires who aged to death when their vampire half was slain.]]
** [[spoiler: Technically, we only know that the branch of the Fellowship ''which Ascher hung out'' with got wiped out. There may still be remnants elsewhere that she didn't know personally.]]
*** [[spoiler: The Paranet Papers, which are considered semi-canon in regards to references in the Dresden Files universe, confirms that while the Fellowship as a whole is extinct, more than a few of the members of the fellowship that survived the bloodline curse do still exist and try help, though it's mostly from an advisory and information standpoint now]]
[[WMG: Some time around the end of ''Grave Peril'', an agreement that Chicago would act as a neutral ground either broke down or expired.]]

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* Jossed. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Fellowship falls apart after the destruction of the Red Court, in large part because much of their leadership was comprised of half-vampires who aged to death when their vampire half was slain.]]
** [[spoiler: Technically, [[spoiler:Technically, we only know that the branch of the Fellowship ''which Ascher hung out'' with got wiped out. There may still be remnants elsewhere that she didn't know personally.]]
*** [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Paranet Papers, which are considered semi-canon in regards to references in the Dresden Files universe, confirms that while the Fellowship as a whole is extinct, more than a few of the members of the fellowship that survived the bloodline curse do still exist and try help, though it's mostly from an advisory and information standpoint now]]
[[WMG: Some [[WMG:Some time around the end of ''Grave Peril'', an agreement that Chicago would act as a neutral ground either broke down or expired.]]



[[WMG: Climate Change is being caused by a shift in battle in favor of [[spoiler:the Outsiders]]]]
Desden tells the audience early on that climate change is a product of the changing tides of the war between the Summer and Winter courts. We then learn in Cold Days that [[spoiler: the bulk of Winter's forces is occupied keeping Outsiders, well, Outside, and Summer exists to keep Winter in check and prevent them from abusing the massive armies required for this task.]] Given Climate Change, we know that, over the past couple of centuries in general and the past few decades in particular, its clear that ''something'' is tilting the balance of power in the Summer-Winter conflict in favor of Summer, or at least more in favor than it has been. [[spoiler: Obviously, it's that the war with the Outsiders isn't going very well at the moment, forcing Winter to divert forces away from their border with Summer and to the border with Outside.]]

[[WMG: All Outsiders were once human]]

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[[WMG: Climate [[WMG:Climate Change is being caused by a shift in battle in favor of [[spoiler:the Outsiders]]]]
Desden tells the audience early on that climate change is a product of the changing tides of the war between the Summer and Winter courts. We then learn in Cold Days that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the bulk of Winter's forces is occupied keeping Outsiders, well, Outside, and Summer exists to keep Winter in check and prevent them from abusing the massive armies required for this task.]] Given Climate Change, we know that, over the past couple of centuries in general and the past few decades in particular, its clear that ''something'' is tilting the balance of power in the Summer-Winter conflict in favor of Summer, or at least more in favor than it has been. [[spoiler: Obviously, [[spoiler:Obviously, it's that the war with the Outsiders isn't going very well at the moment, forcing Winter to divert forces away from their border with Summer and to the border with Outside.]]

[[WMG: All [[WMG:All Outsiders were once human]]



[[WMG: The Denarians are/were Outsiders]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Denarians are/were Outsiders]]



* Jossed by ''Skin Game'': [[spoiler: The parasite has nothing to do with Outsiders, and it's hinted that Nicodemus is just as leery of the coming Outsider/Nemesis incursion as everyone else.]]

[[WMG: Mortals are immune to Nemesis]]

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* Jossed by ''Skin Game'': [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The parasite has nothing to do with Outsiders, and it's hinted that Nicodemus is just as leery of the coming Outsider/Nemesis incursion as everyone else.]]

[[WMG: Mortals [[WMG:Mortals are immune to Nemesis]]



[[WMG: Black Magic corruption is really Nemesis.]]

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[[WMG: Black [[WMG:Black Magic corruption is really Nemesis.]]



[[WMG: Demonreach is the place on Earth that most closely corresponds with the Outer Gates in the [=NeverNever=].]]

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[[WMG: Demonreach [[WMG:Demonreach is the place on Earth that most closely corresponds with the Outer Gates in the [=NeverNever=].]]



** Demonreach is revealed in Cold Days to be a [[spoiler: prison for things more evil and powerful then anything we've seen so far. The ley lines flowing from Demonreach are just the prisoner's waste heat]]. Harry actually goes to the Outer Gates with Mother Summer, and it's implied that without help from a near God Like being, the trip is a long one, well outside the range of a [=NeverNever=] jump.

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** Demonreach is revealed in Cold Days to be a [[spoiler: prison [[spoiler:prison for things more evil and powerful then anything we've seen so far. The ley lines flowing from Demonreach are just the prisoner's waste heat]]. Harry actually goes to the Outer Gates with Mother Summer, and it's implied that without help from a near God Like being, the trip is a long one, well outside the range of a [=NeverNever=] jump.



[[WMG: Mother Winter's "walking stick" is the Blackstaff]]

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[[WMG: Mother [[WMG:Mother Winter's "walking stick" is the Blackstaff]]



[[WMG: Humans wielding Soulfire (such as Harry) can grant Free Will to Spirits (such as Bob)]]

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[[WMG: Humans [[WMG:Humans wielding Soulfire (such as Harry) can grant Free Will to Spirits (such as Bob)]]



[[WMG: A death curse doesn't necessarily need to be a ''curse'']]
* This is primarily just idle speculation, but a death curse is, effectively, a wizard gathering up what's left of the energy keeping them alive and using it for one last powerful spell. They die in the process, and most times we see one used or discussed it's generally to get back at some enemy of the dying wizard (generally whoever's put them in the position of being close enough to death for it to be a viable action). It may be possible to do ''any'' sort of magic with it, though. Perhaps power and/or knowledge could be passed on to another (in fact, a variation on this could be an explanation for beings like the Archive), or otherwise-impossible enchantments could be laid on objects or people. If a dying wizard thought the best way to get the result they wanted was to, say, dump a ton of magical power into Harry (or, on the other side, one of his enemies), it could result in a massive power-up (either giving him the strength to overcome whatever deity he's facing at the moment or turning a foe into a much bigger threat). Or it could be used - by a wizard with enough power to throw into their death curse - to free [[spoiler: Harry from his position as Winter Knight.]]
** [[spoiler: Not too likely; Winter Knights are intended to be deployed against mortals as well as others, and have presumably been used to knock off wizards before, so Mab's probably already confronted and taken precautions against that possibility. "LOSE POWER!" isn't much harder for a bitter, dying person to holler than "DIE ALONE!", after all.]]

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[[WMG: A [[WMG:A death curse doesn't necessarily need to be a ''curse'']]
* This is primarily just idle speculation, but a death curse is, effectively, a wizard gathering up what's left of the energy keeping them alive and using it for one last powerful spell. They die in the process, and most times we see one used or discussed it's generally to get back at some enemy of the dying wizard (generally whoever's put them in the position of being close enough to death for it to be a viable action). It may be possible to do ''any'' sort of magic with it, though. Perhaps power and/or knowledge could be passed on to another (in fact, a variation on this could be an explanation for beings like the Archive), or otherwise-impossible enchantments could be laid on objects or people. If a dying wizard thought the best way to get the result they wanted was to, say, dump a ton of magical power into Harry (or, on the other side, one of his enemies), it could result in a massive power-up (either giving him the strength to overcome whatever deity he's facing at the moment or turning a foe into a much bigger threat). Or it could be used - by a wizard with enough power to throw into their death curse - to free [[spoiler: Harry [[spoiler:Harry from his position as Winter Knight.]]
** [[spoiler: Not [[spoiler:Not too likely; Winter Knights are intended to be deployed against mortals as well as others, and have presumably been used to knock off wizards before, so Mab's probably already confronted and taken precautions against that possibility. "LOSE POWER!" isn't much harder for a bitter, dying person to holler than "DIE ALONE!", after all.]]



[[WMG: Raith is pronounced "Writhe"]]

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[[WMG: Raith [[WMG:Raith is pronounced "Writhe"]]



[[WMG: Kemmler is responsible for World War 2]]
In ''Ghost Story'' [[spoiler: Evil Bob]] dresses as a Nazi, has his realm in the shape of the German defenses of the beaches at D-Day and commands legions of werewolf Nazi soldiers. Since [[spoiler: Bob]] is a reflection of the person who owns him, Kemmler had a strong connection to the Nazis. He did much more than just reanimate mass graves in eastern Europe as we're told in ''Dead Beat'' ....that was just "Phase 2" of his plan to create an invincible army to bring about the ZombieApocalypse. The first was to use magic to give a few human dictators mind control powers and occult knowledge so that they could generate a sufficient body count...

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[[WMG: Kemmler [[WMG:Kemmler is responsible for World War 2]]
In ''Ghost Story'' [[spoiler: Evil [[spoiler:Evil Bob]] dresses as a Nazi, has his realm in the shape of the German defenses of the beaches at D-Day and commands legions of werewolf Nazi soldiers. Since [[spoiler: Bob]] [[spoiler:Bob]] is a reflection of the person who owns him, Kemmler had a strong connection to the Nazis. He did much more than just reanimate mass graves in eastern Europe as we're told in ''Dead Beat'' ....that was just "Phase 2" of his plan to create an invincible army to bring about the ZombieApocalypse. The first was to use magic to give a few human dictators mind control powers and occult knowledge so that they could generate a sufficient body count...



[[WMG: The [=NeverNever=] is [[FlatWorld flat]].]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The [=NeverNever=] is [[FlatWorld flat]].]]



[[WMG: The Fomor have stone skin.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Fomor have stone skin.]]



[[WMG: All wizards, not just Harry, are Scions.]]

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[[WMG: All [[WMG:All wizards, not just Harry, are Scions.]]



[[WMG: The effect that nuclear explosions have on the corresponding place in the [=NeverNever=] to ground Zero is to cement what little reality they have in place, at least for a time.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The effect that nuclear explosions have on the corresponding place in the [=NeverNever=] to ground Zero is to cement what little reality they have in place, at least for a time.]]



[[WMG: ...When a child younger than a certain point gains the shadow of a Fallen (or the fallen itself), the two become inextricably linked after a different point, once enough time has passed.]]

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[[WMG: ...[[WMG:...When a child younger than a certain point gains the shadow of a Fallen (or the fallen itself), the two become inextricably linked after a different point, once enough time has passed.]]



[[WMG: If Cowl and Kumori succeed in abolishing death, we'd all be screwed.]]

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[[WMG: If [[WMG:If Cowl and Kumori succeed in abolishing death, we'd all be screwed.]]



[[WMG: The three major houses of the White Court are directly opposed to the three Swords.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The three major houses of the White Court are directly opposed to the three Swords.]]



[[WMG: As in an above guess, the Fallen are Fallen because they refused to follow one of God's orders...]]

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[[WMG: As [[WMG:As in an above guess, the Fallen are Fallen because they refused to follow one of God's orders...]]



[[WMG: Angels, fallen or not, claiming not to have free will is bullshit.]]

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[[WMG: Angels, [[WMG:Angels, fallen or not, claiming not to have free will is bullshit.]]



[[WMG: There's an upcoming outsider invasion and ''half the factions knew for the entire series'']]

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[[WMG: There's [[WMG:There's an upcoming outsider invasion and ''half the factions knew for the entire series'']]



* ''Cold Days'' confirms that [[spoiler: an Outsider incursion is indeed underway and always has been since forever. but a major push has started a few years back, and one of Winter's major responsibilities is to provide defense for the Outer Gates, which means Harry's outsiderbane nature is probably part of what made him such an attractive Knight]].

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* ''Cold Days'' confirms that [[spoiler: an [[spoiler:an Outsider incursion is indeed underway and always has been since forever. but a major push has started a few years back, and one of Winter's major responsibilities is to provide defense for the Outer Gates, which means Harry's outsiderbane nature is probably part of what made him such an attractive Knight]].



[[WMG: Ferrovax's status]]

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[[WMG: Ferrovax's [[WMG:Ferrovax's status]]



[[WMG: The Red Court is already alive again.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Red Court is already alive again.]]



[[WMG: The previous Archives (Ivy's mother and grandmother) were murdered.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The previous Archives (Ivy's mother and grandmother) were murdered.]]



[[WMG: The Red Court and Black Court have a common magical ancestor, as may the White Court and Jade Court.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Red Court and Black Court have a common magical ancestor, as may the White Court and Jade Court.]]



[[WMG: One if the uses of the Stone Table in modern times is keeping all the extra power that would otherwise have been lost when a Summer or Winter Knight who was also a magic-user is [[DeadlyEuphemism retired]].]]

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[[WMG: One [[WMG:One if the uses of the Stone Table in modern times is keeping all the extra power that would otherwise have been lost when a Summer or Winter Knight who was also a magic-user is [[DeadlyEuphemism retired]].]]



* [[spoiler: ''Cold Days'' shows that the Outer Gates are still standing but are under attack, and [[TheCorruption something]] has already slipped through...]]

[[WMG: The only real Law of Magic is number 7, the one about messing with the Outer Gates]]

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* [[spoiler: ''Cold [[spoiler:''Cold Days'' shows that the Outer Gates are still standing but are under attack, and [[TheCorruption something]] has already slipped through...]]

[[WMG: The [[WMG:The only real Law of Magic is number 7, the one about messing with the Outer Gates]]



[[WMG: The recurring theme naming of "Margaret" is meaningful.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The recurring theme naming of "Margaret" is meaningful.]]



[[WMG: There are no time travelers in Dresden Files]]

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[[WMG: There [[WMG:There are no time travelers in Dresden Files]]



* ''Cold Days'' Josses this big time [[spoiler: Merlin used time travel to create Deamonreach]]

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* ''Cold Days'' Josses this big time [[spoiler: Merlin [[spoiler:Merlin used time travel to create Deamonreach]]



[[WMG: Harry's Outsider Influence is Partly Based on Ebenezar's Postion.]]

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[[WMG: Harry's [[WMG:Harry's Outsider Influence is Partly Based on Ebenezar's Postion.]]



[[WMG: There is some sort of connection between the White Court and the Swords of the Cross.]]

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[[WMG: There [[WMG:There is some sort of connection between the White Court and the Swords of the Cross.]]



[[WMG: The series is Harry's writings in the wizards' journals that Ebenezer has.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The series is Harry's writings in the wizards' journals that Ebenezer has.]]



[[WMG: Nemesis works by ''giving'' Free Will.]]

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[[WMG: Nemesis [[WMG:Nemesis works by ''giving'' Free Will.]]



[[WMG: Outsiders are completely exempt from most rules about magic]]

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[[WMG: Outsiders [[WMG:Outsiders are completely exempt from most rules about magic]]



[[WMG: Iron has power over Fae because of its atomic stability.]]

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[[WMG: Iron [[WMG:Iron has power over Fae because of its atomic stability.]]



[[WMG: The WalkingTechbane status of wizards is at least partly [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve psychosomatic]].]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The WalkingTechbane status of wizards is at least partly [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve psychosomatic]].]]



[[WMG: The WalkingTechbane phenomenon results from Muggle presumptions about how magic works.]]
It's not the subconscious belief of the wizard that makes them a WalkingTechbane, but the collective belief of ''humanity in general'' that Man Was Not Meant To Mess With such forces, or possess such power as wizards do. Creatures like fey or monsters are ''supposed'' to be supernatural, so are exempt from such restrictions, but mortal humans having such abilities runs counter to Nature as it's generally understood by Muggles.

Among other things, this would account for the way wizards' side-effects have changed over the course of history. In ancient times, magic was thought of as something which fey or nature spirits had exclusive rights to, so wizardry has the same side effects (e.g. spoiled milk) that hostile fairies traditionally made happen out of mischief. Later, when monotheism had taken hold over most of the world, magic was considered the work of the Devil, and wizards developed "witch marks" because most people assumed (wrongly) that they'd be marked by evil.

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The WalkingTechbane phenomenon results from Muggle presumptions about how magic works.]]
It's not the subconscious belief of the wizard that makes them a WalkingTechbane, but the collective belief of ''humanity in general'' that Man Was Not Meant To Mess With such forces, or possess such power as wizards do. Creatures like fey or monsters are ''supposed'' to be supernatural, so are exempt from such restrictions, but mortal humans having such abilities runs counter to Nature as it's generally understood by Muggles.

Muggles.

Among other things, this would account for the way wizards' side-effects have changed over the course of history. In ancient times, magic was thought of as something which fey or nature spirits had exclusive rights to, so wizardry has the same side effects (e.g. spoiled milk) that hostile fairies traditionally made happen out of mischief. Later, when monotheism had taken hold over most of the world, magic was considered the work of the Devil, and wizards developed "witch marks" because most people assumed (wrongly) that they'd be marked by evil.
evil.



[[WMG: The Jade Court are [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiangshi Jiangshi]]]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Jade Court are [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiangshi Jiangshi]]]]



[[WMG: The Laws of Magic are a self-fulfilling prophecy]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Laws of Magic are a self-fulfilling prophecy]]



[[WMG: Black Court vampires are shades possessing their own corpses, not the original person transformed.]]

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[[WMG: Black [[WMG:Black Court vampires are shades possessing their own corpses, not the original person transformed.]]



[[WMG: The Swords of the Cross aren't granted to people of royal blood, but to the descendants of previous Knights.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Swords of the Cross aren't granted to people of royal blood, but to the descendants of previous Knights.]]



[[WMG: Meaningful Fairy Pseudonyms are a must]]
“Meditrina was a Roman goddess of wine,” “And the bassarids were another name for the handmaidens of Dionysus.”

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[[WMG: Meaningful [[WMG:Meaningful Fairy Pseudonyms are a must]]
“Meditrina "Meditrina was a Roman goddess of wine,” “And wine," "And the bassarids were another name for the handmaidens of Dionysus."



[[WMG: Walking Tech Bane wizard status is soul-inflicted]]

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[[WMG: Walking [[WMG:Walking Tech Bane wizard status is soul-inflicted]]



[[WMG: Concerning God and Jesus]]

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[[WMG: Concerning [[WMG:Concerning God and Jesus]]



[[WMG: Tam Lin and Jenny Greenteeth]]

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[[WMG: Tam [[WMG:Tam Lin and Jenny Greenteeth]]



[[WMG: WCVs can only impregnate someone whom they are not feeding from.]]

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[[WMG: WCVs [[WMG:WCVs can only impregnate someone whom they are not feeding from.]]



[[WMG: [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Nurgle]] is what happens when a being like Mother Summer is corrupted by Outsiders]]

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[[WMG: [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer [[WMG:[[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Nurgle]] is what happens when a being like Mother Summer is corrupted by Outsiders]]



[[WMG: The Dresdenverse version of GamesWorkshop created their version of Heinrich Kemmler from stories of the real thing.]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Dresdenverse version of GamesWorkshop created their version of Heinrich Kemmler from stories of the real thing.]]



* Or maybe Li Xian used to play wargames to keep his mind off his stomach between missions for Corpsetaker, and name-dropped his boss's old boss where somebody from Games Workshop could hear him.

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* Or maybe Li Xian used to play wargames to keep his mind off his stomach between missions for Corpsetaker, and name-dropped his boss's old boss where somebody from Games Workshop could hear him.him.

[[WMG:Butcher designed the general plot of the books around TarotMotifs]]
The Major Arcana in tarot, specifically their numerical order, represent a metaphorical journey of an individual through life. This is also known as the "TheFool's Journey" (sorry Harry). Each books of the series, or an important event in it, is symbolically related to each Arcana.

Note: Originally, ''Literature/ProvenGuilty'' was supposed to go before ''Literature/DeadBeat'', but the author was [[ExecutiveMeddling requested by the publishers]] that the seventh book of the series, the first hardbound release, to feature something [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome truly awesome]] ([[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1248964599329.jpg You know what]]) and Butcher decided to swap these two books around.

[numlist:0]
# '''The Fool''': ''Literature/StormFront''. TheFool represent beginnings and infinity possibilities. The start of the TheHerosJourney.
# '''The Magician''': ''Literature/FoolMoon''. The Magician represents action and initiative, but also immaturity. Like a mage who has just awakened to his/her power and lacks the wisdom to use it properly. Like the Alphas, Agent Denton and his people and especially [[TheScully Murphy]].
# '''The High Priestess''': ''Literature/GravePeril''. The High Priestess represents inner knowledge, contemplation and intuition. Figuring out yourself and doing things for your own reasons. Of course, this can backfire spectacularly. Like [[GoingForTheBigScoop Susan]] deciding to attend to the Bianca's masquerade and Harry taking up the vampires' challenge and starting the war.
# '''The Empress''': ''Literature/SummerKnight''. Mab appears. 'Nuff said.
# '''The Emperor''': ''Literature/DeathMasks''. Nicodemus appears. Ortega makes his move. Confrontation of wills all-around. Made even literal during the duel.
# '''The Hierophant''': ''Literature/BloodRites''. The Hierophant is a tricky card to interpret. Etymologically, the hierophant a religious guide, very much like a priest, but more generically it represents the knowledge of one's place in the world and the responsibilities that go with it. In this book Harry discovers that Thomas is his brother and learns more about their mother. Together they confront the consequences of the past, finishing the work left by Margaret [=LeFay=] and defeating Lord Raith. Harry also gets a sneak peek of the [[EldritchAbomination Walkers]], who will become a key focus of his duties in later on.
# '''The Lovers''': ''Literature/ProvenGuilty''. Besides the obvious meaning, The Lovers represent choice. The conscious exercise of free will, the individual's consciousness finally surfaced. This is best exemplified with Molly, who leaves her parents' home to stand on her own and whose good and bad decisions move most of the book's plot. Probably the most important representation of this is the scene where Molly has to decide whether to go before the White Council to be judged by them with Harry stressing the importance of making her own choice. Nevertheless, Molly's crush on Harry does play a big part in her decisions, so there's that too.
# '''The Chariot''': ''Literature/DeadBeat''. The Chariot is the victory of the individual, but only a momentary one. Also, you can't get more literal about this than riding the Zombie T. rex into battle.
# '''Justice''': ''Literature/WhiteNight''. Pretty self-explanatory. Harry and Ramirez seeking to balance the scales by facing the White Court vampires that attacked small-time partitioners in peacetime. It also applies to Lash (not Lasciel), who forever redeemed herself in Harry's eyes by doing the right thing and paying the ultimate price.
# '''The Hermit''': ''Literature/SmallFavor''. The Hermit represents self-discovery in a sense more profound than the High Priestess does, but also represents the isolation required to achieve it. In this book Harry discovers Soulfire, the power of creation born from his own soul, but suffers great distrust by his allies (not totally unwarranted, but still). Ivy and Marcone also found themselves isolated in a more literal sense, an experience that will surely shape their actions in the future, as ''Literature/SkinGame'' proved in Marcone's case.
# '''Wheel of Fortune''': ''Literature/TurnCoat''. The Wheel of Fortune represents fate and the opportunities that comes with it. Especially chances outside of anyone's control. Here Harry gambles big and wins big. Not totally because of his own skill, but not entirely because of luck either.
# '''Strength''': ''Literature/{{Changes}}''. Strength symbolizes power with reason, power with a purpose other than itself. In this book Harry pulls out ''all'' the stops to save his daughter. The card's reversed meaning (misapplied power or lack of self-control) also plays a part here, with Harry failing to consider the long-term consequences his actions would have in his single-mindedness to save Maggie.
# '''The Hanged Man''': ''Literature/GhostStory''. The Hanged Man represents self-sacrifice in the face of disaster. It symbolizes altruism and the chance of renewal, but it can also means the uncertainty that comes with dark times. After Harry's death, most of his allies step into his shoes to protect Chicago at a huge personal cost but feeling they're losing more battles than they win. In the end, Harry's ghost sacrifices himself to help them.
# '''Death''': ''Literature/ColdDays''. Death is a transitional card. The old ends, the new begins. "The Queens are dead. Long live the Queens". Also, most of the series-encompassing reveals happen here, resetting the board for new possibilities.
# '''Temperance''': ''Literature/SkinGame''. Temperance is the balancing of opposites, like Harry working with Nicodemus for a good cause, but it especially applies to Harry coming to terms with his actions from previous books.
# '''The Devil''': ''Literature/PeaceTalks''. (Unpublished as of this writing) The Devil is another tricky one. This card represent temptations and the enslavement to worldly affairs, but also symbolizes access to what is hidden, the secret and occult. My guess is that Harry's problems with his Mantle with come to a head in this book and another big reveal will occur. The Devil can also represent a scapegoat, so it's likely that Harry will have to account for things that aren't entirely his fault.
# '''The Tower''': ''[[Literature/TheDresdenFilesMirrorMirror Mirror, Mirror]]''. (Unpublished as of this writing) Total and utter clusterf*ck. I mean, ''way'' more then the usual. The status quo goes down the drain or somehow becomes irrelevant. TimeTravel or AlternateUniverse may or may not explain this.
# '''The Star'''
# '''The Moon'''
# '''The Sun'''
# '''Judgment'''
# '''The World'''
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6th Aug '15 7:48:35 PM Sharlee
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Dresden has explicitly mentioned Games Workshop in the novels, and Kemmler is basically identical between the version in Warhammer and the version in the Dresden Files. Whatever designer came up with him for Warhammer might have heard rumours, even if he wasn't fully in the know.

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Dresden has explicitly mentioned Games Workshop in the novels, and Kemmler is basically identical between the version in Warhammer and the version in the Dresden Files. Whatever designer came up with him for Warhammer might have heard rumours, even if he wasn't fully in the know.know.
* Or maybe Li Xian used to play wargames to keep his mind off his stomach between missions for Corpsetaker, and name-dropped his boss's old boss where somebody from Games Workshop could hear him.
22nd Jul '15 9:15:12 AM VPhantom
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The world is a giant artificial construct ran by the White God (which explains why he seems to care so much for our insignificant blue-green planet). The fae are the regulators, the underlying math in the system, thus explaining why they cannot lie on their own power and are riddled with compulsions (2+2 can never be five in an equation unless someone is fudging the results). The gods are the powerful plot-critical NPCs and raid-bosses. The outsiders are trolls who were banned from the servers and are trying to get back in and Nemesis is an asshole hacker from the Cthulhuian version of 4chan (so like regular 4chan but with a tentacle-compatible UI) who tries to get them in for the lulz. The outers gates are a literal firewall and Rashid's job is to ensure no trolls get in and to keep the ad-bots away. In other words, he is the universe's Captcha. Finally, the White God is the admin, his angels and archangels are the programming staff, the Knights of the Cross are the in-game moderators, the Fallen and the Denarians are beta-testers trying to break the system in order to test for stability and Harry is just a hapless NPC who gets all the spotlight because one one of the four chief programmers, Uriel, took a liking to him and inserted him into all the big world-events and [=DLCs=] for fun.


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The world is a giant artificial construct ran by the White God (which explains why he seems to care so much for our insignificant blue-green planet). The fae are the regulators, the underlying math in the system, thus explaining why they cannot lie on their own power and are riddled with compulsions (2+2 can never be five in an equation unless someone is fudging the results). The gods are the powerful plot-critical NPCs [=NPCs=] and raid-bosses. The outsiders are trolls who were banned from the servers and are trying to get back in and Nemesis is an asshole hacker from the Cthulhuian version of 4chan (so like regular 4chan but with a tentacle-compatible UI) who tries to get them in for the lulz. The outers gates are a literal firewall and Rashid's job is to ensure no trolls get in and to keep the ad-bots away. In other words, he is the universe's Captcha. Finally, the White God is the admin, his angels and archangels are the programming staff, the Knights of the Cross are the in-game moderators, the Fallen and the Denarians are beta-testers trying to break the system in order to test for stability and Harry is just a hapless NPC who gets all the spotlight because one one of the four chief programmers, Uriel, took a liking to him and inserted him into all the big world-events and [=DLCs=] for fun.

4th Jul '15 6:29:22 PM dazai
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***[[spoiler: The Paranet Papers, which are considered semi-canon in regards to references in the Dresden Files universe, confirms that while the Fellowship as a whole is extinct, more than a few of the members of the fellowship that survived the bloodline curse do still exist and try help, though it's mostly from an advisory and information standpoint now]]
1st Jul '15 7:10:34 AM Jasin_Moridin
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[[WMG: [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Nurgal]] is what happens when a being like Mother Summer is corrupted by Outsiders]]
We already know she loves all living things, including her pet plagues. If an entity like Nemesis gets to someone like her, it just makes her lose perspective.

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[[WMG: [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Nurgal]] Nurgle]] is what happens when a being like Mother Summer is corrupted by Outsiders]]
We already know she loves all living things, including her pet plagues. If an entity like Nemesis gets to someone like her, it just makes her lose perspective.perspective.

[[WMG: The Dresdenverse version of GamesWorkshop created their version of Heinrich Kemmler from stories of the real thing.]]
Dresden has explicitly mentioned Games Workshop in the novels, and Kemmler is basically identical between the version in Warhammer and the version in the Dresden Files. Whatever designer came up with him for Warhammer might have heard rumours, even if he wasn't fully in the know.
23rd Jun '15 8:47:50 AM TheMysteriousTroper
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The world is a giant artificial construct ran by the White God (which explains why he seems to care so much for our insignificant blue-green planet). The fae are the regulators, the underlying math in the system, thus explaining why they cannot lie on their own power and are riddled with compulsions (2+2 can never be five in an equation unless someone is fudging the results). The gods are the powerful plot-critical NPCs and raid-bosses. The outsiders are trolls who were banned from the servers and are trying to get back in and Nemesis is an asshole hacker from the Cthulhuian version of 4chan (so like regular 4chan but with a tentacle-compatible UI) who tries to get them in for the lulz. The outers gates are a literal firewall and Rashid's job is to ensure no trolls get in and to keep the ad-bots away. In other words, he is the universe's Captcha. Finally, the White God is the admin, his angels and archangels are the programming staff, the Knights of the Cross are the in-game moderators, the Fallen and the Denarians are beta-testers trying to break the system in order to test for stability and Harry is just a hapless NPC who gets all the spotlight because one one of the four chief programmers, Uriel, took a liking to him and inserted him into all the big world-events and DLCs for fun.


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The world is a giant artificial construct ran by the White God (which explains why he seems to care so much for our insignificant blue-green planet). The fae are the regulators, the underlying math in the system, thus explaining why they cannot lie on their own power and are riddled with compulsions (2+2 can never be five in an equation unless someone is fudging the results). The gods are the powerful plot-critical NPCs and raid-bosses. The outsiders are trolls who were banned from the servers and are trying to get back in and Nemesis is an asshole hacker from the Cthulhuian version of 4chan (so like regular 4chan but with a tentacle-compatible UI) who tries to get them in for the lulz. The outers gates are a literal firewall and Rashid's job is to ensure no trolls get in and to keep the ad-bots away. In other words, he is the universe's Captcha. Finally, the White God is the admin, his angels and archangels are the programming staff, the Knights of the Cross are the in-game moderators, the Fallen and the Denarians are beta-testers trying to break the system in order to test for stability and Harry is just a hapless NPC who gets all the spotlight because one one of the four chief programmers, Uriel, took a liking to him and inserted him into all the big world-events and DLCs [=DLCs=] for fun.

11th Jun '15 9:27:57 PM DarkStarling
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** That sounds almost exactly like the framing device for the Mists of Avalon series, where Merlin is telling his life story as he lived it using his magic.
11th Jun '15 6:16:08 AM Willbyr
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[[WMG: [[Warhammer40K Nurgal]] is what happens when a being like Mother Summer is corrupted by Outsiders]]

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[[WMG: [[Warhammer40K [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Nurgal]] is what happens when a being like Mother Summer is corrupted by Outsiders]]
6th Apr '15 12:25:48 AM DrImpossible
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Outsiders are to some ancient alien species from the other end of the universe as what Fae are to humanity. Said aliens cannot get to us because of those pesky laws of physics, but those rules do not apply to the Nevernever, so their supernatural entities can. The war against the outsiders is actually nothing less than an interstellar war fought by proxy!

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Outsiders are to some ancient alien species from the other end of the universe as what Fae are to humanity. Said aliens cannot get to us because of those pesky laws of physics, but those rules do not apply to the Nevernever, so their supernatural entities can. The war against the outsiders is actually nothing less more than an interstellar war fought by proxy!
war!
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