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  • Why didn't Cecil resurrect The Immortal? It's shown he knows that Immortal can resurrect, as he makes sure his team puts Immortal's head on that cart-like device, and puts that cap on Immortal's body's neck stump. Plus in the end of Episode 8 the GDA is shown reviving Immortal again, having recovered his body and linked his upper and lower torso back together. If he he, then they could have easily confirmed Omni-Man was the murderer and maybe even got information they couldn't have otherwise. Even if Cecil wanted to keep Immortal out of the way for some unexplained reason, why did he bury him in a grave? He could have just put Immortal's head and body in storage somewhere.
    • Cecil already suspects Omni-man was the murderer, he just doesn't have any way of dealing with Omni-man; so he doesn't want someone confirming it until he does.
      • As a corollary to that, maybe Cecil suspected the Immortal would have done what he did - immediately flips off and move to engage Nolan - and the fight would begin before he's ready.
    • The Mauler Twins say that Cecil wasn't able to revive him. Why he was able to in Episode 8 but not before? Either he somehow had Mauler Twin technology reverse engineered from Immortal's once-revived corpse or D.A. Sinclair had game changing technology.
      • Or the Mauler Twins were wrong. They (reasonably) assume that Cecil would want The Immortal revived, so the fact that he hadn't done it meant he couldn't, but as listed above there's a number of reasons Cecil might not have wanted him back yet. It's not like the Mauler Twins would have been given specific details on what was going on.
    • It's possible that it's easier to revive the Immortal the second time because he was only torn in half instead of being decapitated.
  • Why couldn't Darkblood see Omni-Man through his psychometry?
    • Presumably his power must have some limits? At the crime scene he could perceive how each of the Guardians had been murdered, so maybe that's as far as Darkblood's powers go? In any case, it didn't really matter. He knew enough to know that no one else was in the room but Omni-Man and the Guardians, so the killer had to be one of them. And since Omni-Man conveniently survived, he was the obvious suspect.
    • Maybe his power only gives him hints, and not direct evidence? That's how psychometry/remote-viewing works in a lot of fiction.
  • Why did Nolan stop feigning compassion after killing the Guardians?
    • Bordering on WMG territory, but he might have needed to. Consider how on a couple occasions during his fight with Mark that he was getting emotional, and then got visibly angry and forced it away. His time on earth did make him more human— proven when Mark broke through to him. Obviously he cared less for the Guardians than he did Mark, but even just as respected colleagues it would weigh on him to constantly have to remember murdering them. In all likelihood, he is falling back on his training, experience and culturally learned repression of emotion to avoid cognitive dissonance from how terrible he feels about his actions. Dehumanizing one’s enemies allows for ordinary people to do terrible things to other people; by leaning into the fact that he’s been taught humans are lesser, he’s able to avoid compassion, which would be a weakness that slows him down. He’s “deviltrumitizing” then so he can do what he “has” to do.
  • Is Omni-Man right about the human race? He said that humans were below him and that he loved his wife like a pet (a obvious lie), but is Omni-Man right about humans being like pets compared to him and his people? Viltrumites are bigger, stronger, faster, and more technologically advanced then humans. The same way that humans are compared to animals. And just like humans do to animals, Viltrumites move into others territories and take over, either forcing the inhabitants out or domesticating them. And just like humans to animals, Viltrumites life spans are MUCH longer and greater than humans. The same way a human's lifespan is MUCH greater than a goldfish or dogs or cats or birds etc...
    • He's obviously right that Viltrumites are more physically capable and live longer, but our relationships with pets is more about intelligence than anything else. People have pet dogs that are bigger or stronger than them, or birds and turtles which can easily live as long or longer than people. While humans are behind in technology, they're still sapient and capable of complex communication and understanding, nothing really indicates that Viltrumites are notably more intelligent than humans or other aliens on average. Omni-man knows a lot more about the galaxy/universe, but doesn't seem to be notably more intelligent, and Mark is entirely average despite being part/mostly Viltrumite. Killing animals which are vastly less intelligent than us, directly or by destroying their habitats, is already something many people have moral issues with, but humans are sapient beings. The Viltrumites basically just believe in Might Makes Right to the ultimate degree: you have the right to do anything you want, provided no-one is able to stop you.
    • Humanity's relationship to animals is defined by the latter's inability to think abstractly, not the former's strength or longevity. How many pushups a Viltrumite can do or how chrome their buildings are has no bearing on a human's personhood. Putting that aside, what have Viltrumite done with their vaunted superiority? Purged themselves to near-extinction before setting out to conquer planets they didn't need and subjugate people who don't threaten them. Dunno where the show is going or where the comic went, but it seems like the Viltrumite's Space Darwinism is just an excuse they use to justify the atrocities they comitted on themselves.
  • Why did Omni-Man instantly grow a beard after decimating a whole planet, in less than a day?
    • Time passes extremely faster on the Flaxan's planet. A day on Earth was years, if not decades, there.
      • Robot says 3 days on Earth was decades for them, so even just an afternoon on Earth would be years there.
  • If the Viltrumites wanted to infiltrate and conquer the planet, wouldn't it make sense to gradually breed more Viltrumites until the whole planet (Earth, for instance) is Viltrumite by blood, and not human? Like the Sons of Dio, but for Viltrum. They age very slowly so this shouldn't be a problem. Nolan himself could bounce from woman to woman having as many children as possible, repeat ad infinitum.
    • Mark is one of the first successful Viltrumite hybrids, if not the first. And even then, Nolan still wasn't sure if he could even manifest any powers.
    • The actual answer as revealed in Season 2 is that the racial supremacy mindset of the Viltrumite Empire is so extreme that they have very strict rules on what species they are allowed to interbreed with despite having the ability to breed with a large number of different species. Nolan probably didn't have any more children because he wasn't sure if humans were on the ok list for breeding, which is why he waited to see how Mark would turn out before he revealed his true colors.
  • From Nolan's flashback, we have seen all the Viltrumites are human-looking: so what about planets where humans are not the dominant species? How does their plan of conquest work then?
    • They just don't keep a secret identity on those planets, living openly as "friendly" aliens like Martian Man did.
  • Why does Amber get so mad at Mark for running away from the cyborg and then telling her he went to get help? If she didn't know that he was Invincible, it's pretty obvious that she would be mad at him for making up an excuse for being a coward, but she knows that he went off to fight the cyborg as Invincible. Is it really just him lying about his identity?
    • He left them in danger while he went away to change. She's mad he lied about being Invincible, and she is mad that he put them in danger to cover that lie. That isn't very heroic.
      • He only "left them in danger" if he weren't a superhero and was simply running away to "get help." He actually left to put himself in harm's way and protect her and others as Invincible. There's no way she could be rationally mad about that. So that leaves not abandoning his secret identity for her sake so he could start fighting a few seconds earlier, which is an extremely entitled reaction to take with the guy you've only been dating for a short time and who still risked his life to save you. The revelation that she new about his true identity while having this reaction to him reflects very poorly on her.
      • Not everyone is a good person. Amber may just be a Manipulative Bitch in Sheep's Clothing.
      • It's fine for characters to have flaws, but nothing else in the show really seems to portray her with this flaw. The show never acknowledges the incongruity, which makes it seem like the creators simply didn't realize it.
    • Also, the season eventually ends with Amber admitting she was wrong to judge Mark that way, having no idea what his superhero life was actually like given she and the world was Forced to Watch Omni-Man nearly beat Mark to death and use his body to cause extensive collateral damage. For all of Amber's precociousness and wisdom, she's still a teenager.
      • That still doesn't explain something. Even before the reveal, Amber's anger at Mark is still unreasonable even if she didn't know his secret. She's mad because he left them, but as he said (as a cover), he left to go get help. Just what she did she expect him to be able to do against that Reaniman? Is she mad because he... left to get help against a threat he couldn't fight and didn't stay to die with the rest of them? And after it's revealed she's known he was Invincible for a few weeks, this makes her reaction even stranger. Did she really need to go that far in blaming him (or blame him at all) to hide the fact that she knows?
  • How did the Immortal's previous resurrections work? If he has to be stitched back together and subjected to 21st century super-technology to be reawakened from being bisected, not to mention 'just' beheading, how did Cave Immortal and Knight Immortal and Lincoln Immortal come back from the dead? (OK, maybe he's never been in pieces before but surely someone would have tried that at some point...)
    • Presumably, modern technology just made the process much simpler and faster; he would have otherwise resurrected himself, but it would have taken significantly longer to do so.
      • That makes sense. And it explains why Nolan didn't try something more permanent. If he was expecting the Immortal to put himself back together in four or five years (or however long it would take him to come back from decapitation without help), he could plausibly assume that by that point he and Mark would be ruling the world and could just kill him again...
    • The simplest explanation is that this was the first time he ever actually died, and he has no ability to resurrect himself. He simply heals through a Healing Factor while he's alive, and he can take a lot of punishment without dying, like getting shot in the head by John Wilkes Booth. It takes Frankenstein-style technology to resurrect him from death.
  • If Monster-Girl can't afford to transform so much because it would take weeks out of her biological age, could Robot still train her in martial arts, while she's human? That way she could be a Weak, but Skilled physical fighter, which gets augmented by the strength she gets in her transformed form.
    • Amanda is like 5'0" and 80 lbs. No amount of martial arts training is going to make her effective against the sort of bad guys superheroes fight.
  • Omni-Man thinks the Viltrumites are above humans because they can live a lot longer than them. The Immortal is probably way older than Omni-Man, so how come he didn't feel the same way?
    • Living longer is only one reason why Nolan believes that Viltrumites are a superior species. They are also much more powerful and technologically advanced as well as the rulers of a galactic empire. The Immortal is human and a superhero. He might have been corrupted by his powers and longevity, but he decided to use them for good instead. For all we know, he might see outliving all his friends as a burden.
    • Because Omni-Man and the Viltrumites are wrong. Omni-Man's savagery and nihilism isn't the product of his longevity, but his own moral and intellectual failings. Assuming The Immortal ever flirted with the same fascist impulses that drives Omni-Man he had the same revelation that Debbie tried to impart to Nolan at Mark's baseball game: overcome the ennui of life through finding joy vicariously from the world you helped make.
  • What exactly do the Vitrumites plan to do once they conquer Earth? Nolan says that the races under their rule "prosper", but given how brutal the Vitrumites are, that's heavily debatable. They could enslave the humans, but considering they are a race that fully buys into Might Makes Right, it'd be weird to force humans to do labor for them, especially since, as Omni-Man kindly demonstrates, humans are way weaker than them and likely couldn't get work done as quickly. The Vitrumites are so obsessed with being the Master Race that they are perfectly willing to kill half their population just to ensure only the "strong" ones live, so I doubt the human race would last long under their authority. Do the Vitrumites just burn through different races as they travel the universe?
    • Viltrumites aren't stupid, and they're building an empire, so they turn each planet into a stable, functioning and efficient factory to pump out the things they need. Residents of vassal planets probably do benefit greatly from Viltrumite technology, but at the price of living in a Gilded Cage where all effort is bent on serving their overlords.
    • 1 Vitrumite can easily do far more work then 1 Human, but an entire planet of humans can outperform one Vitrumite, and all it takes is 1 Vitrumite a couple decades to conquer a planet so its more efficient for them to work on conquering and leave the menial labor to there lessers
    • Haven't read the comics, but methinks the act of conquering other races is the reward in itself, and that Viltrumites don't have any real need for the planets they conquer. They're virtually immortal and can travel the vacuum of space; what possible use could they have for factories and slaves? But if they conquer the galaxy, they can pretend like their self-imposed culling had value to it.
    • You are putting more thought into this than the source material deserves, I am afraid. The Viltrumites are the stereotypical Evil Empire. They justify their conquest with their narcissistic believe that they are the Master Race of the universe, and in the comic it is heavily implied that they somehow ruin the races they conquer by depriving their planets of natural ressources once they take over. How this could possibly be the case in an empire of thousands of worlds ruled by a single planet, and where all these resources could possibly go is never even remotely explored. Long story short, they are evil and you are not supposed to think about it.
    • They want to use Earth as a breeding camp. Viltrumites are effectively extinct at this point (only over 50 remaining) and humans are the ideal breeding stock.
  • Art realizes that Omni-Man attacked the Guardians of the Globe when he discovers that the oldest blood on his costume was on his gloves - but if you actually watch the scene where he murders the Guardians, the first time blood was spilled in the fight was when Red Rush broke his hands punching Omni-Man's chest, meaning the oldest blood on his costume should be on the chest.
    • Except when one takes into account the massive gaping hole in the costume created from RR's attacks in which case it would be the gloves that have the oldest blood from Omni-Man crushing his [Red Rush] skull.
      • You would think that there would be blood around the edges of the hole. The later scene is wrong on two levels: The "oldest" blood is on the knuckles of Omni-Man's suit, implying that his first strikes were punches, but Omni-Man misses all of his initial punches and gets hit with several attacks by the Guardians before he manages to catch Red Rush and crush his head with his fingers and palms, not his knuckles.
    • The scene where Nolan crushes Josef's head is from Rush's perspective; i.e., super speed. From anyone else's perspective, it would have been as quick as when Nolan crushed the fighter pilot's head in episode 8. From the perspective of how long it takes blood to noticeably age, even with sci fi nonsense forensics, the blood from the knuckles & the blood from crushing his head would have, effectively, gotten on the suit at the same moment, & wouldn't be terribly unreasonable to assume any lingering blood on the chest is splatter from whatever the hands did.
  • How does Nolan keep his secret identity? Did I miss something? He's constantly flying to and from his house. Mark even practices landing in their backyard. Yet Nolan has no idea that Cecil even has men across the street. Does he just expect none of his neighbors to notice his superhero antics?
    • Apparently Clark Kenting works very well in the Invincible universe. Even many of the very high profile heroes don't wear any mask or other disguise (Black Sampson, War Woman, The Immortal), and several other characters even use part of their REAL NAMES (Rexplode, Dupli-Kate, Atom Eve), some, like Kate and Eve are even doing both.
  • If 1 Viltrumite can defeat earth's greatest heroes using decades of deception, why not send 10 Viltrumites to conquer Earth in under a year, or much less, then on to the next planet?
    • Nolan may have exaggerated his status in the Viltrumite empire. It seems more likely that the Viltrumites were getting rid of a boneheaded, emotional, indecisive soldier by sending him to earth.
      • Not so exaggerated as several Viltrumites have expressed respect for Nolan's strength, making it clear that he's actually one of the stronger Viltrumites and that Mark is closer to the level of strength a Viltrumite has. And one alternate dimension shows that once Nolan is out of the picture, Mark goes down much easier. This makes it possible that the common Viltrumite needs the time to weaken the planet's defenses before reinforcements arrive or otherwise they would lose too much forces trying to conquer a planet.
    • The Viltrumites control what is implied to be a large empire with a relatively low number of Viltrumites. Not to mention that Nolan’s mission was as much about seeing if Viltrumite-human hybrids would have powers, which was why Nolan didn’t start aggressively undermining Earth until Mark manifested his powers.
    • having 10 people suddenly show up on earth with the same powers would be more suspicious and more likely to raise alarm bells from the natives, even if they dident put it together that the Viltrumites were aliens it might clue them in that this is not an anomoly and there are bigger threats out there, resulting in them strengthening there defenses rather then lowering them
    • The Viltrumites would, seemingly, rather conquer planets without bloodshed if the option remains. One Viltrumite solving a planet's problems and spreading the empire's propaganda will keep humanity on its back foot and slowly ingratiate them the Viltrumites, whereas a squad of them sitting on their thumbs may start to make the locals uncomfortable.
  • What exactly is the Flaxans' deal? Why did they immediately try to invade Earth, guns blazing, without any exploration or attempts at negotiation first?
    • Presumably, they wanted to conquer Earth. Negotiations are kind of unnecessary when your goal is murder and conquest.
  • Did Omni-Man not help Invincible against Machine Head because he wanted to teach Mark a lesson? Or is it because Battle Beast was there?
  • What caused Invincible-646's Face–Heel Turn? His universe seems to be identical to the prime reality up to the Internal Reveal about Omni-Man, so it's seems unlikely this Mark was indoctrinated into his father's way of thinking.
  • When we see the Maulers back in prison, one of them tells Pete that they said sorry, but it was the twin that died in the previous escape who knocked Pete out to open his cell. Is this a mistake in the scrip?
    • Either Pete told him off-screen or the escaped twin simply guessed about the apology since thats what he would have done.
  • Okay so the Mauler Twins intentionally rig the cloning process so they don't know which one of them is the original of a given pair, because both copies have the same memories. One slight problem with that being that their set up is consistently shown to be the bodies laying on tables next to one another, so they should both have the memory of laying down on either the left or right table before the process started, and should clock that whichever one of them is on that table is the original.
    • If they are smart enough to muddy the process so that they don't know who is the original, they are smart enough to muddy their own memory to ensure that they can't even deduce it from positioning. Maybe they take a big dose of ketamine or some other such memory muddying drug as part of the process, maybe the machine does it for them. There is a lot of ways they could do it.
      • There's no indication that the twins were intentionally muddying the process. The mutilated Mauler is overjoyed that he's provably the original and wonders why he never thought of this before. It's only after the cloned Mauler kills him that the clone realizes the value in ambiguity.
    • It's may not just be about memory. The process itself is supposedly seamless. Clone Rudie didn't initially know which one he was, despite it being obvious, because he could also see himself on the other table moving OG Rudie's hand in the air and vice versa, implying that both minds are still linked at the exact moment of transfer, which confuses them of who is who. It's the feeling of "continuance". Say OG Mauler lays down on the left table and starts the cloning process. As it begins, OG Mauler now also perceives himself as being on the right table as his memories are copied onto Clone Mauler. So OG Mauler is no longer sure of what table he put the clone on because also remembers being on the right table during the process. Basically, the copy over is so quick and clean, both Maulers share the exact same mind for the during the brief seconds it happens.
      • That doesn't address the question. Both clones would have perfect memory of sitting down on the left or right table before the process begins. No matter what happens in the midst of the process, one of them will be getting up off the table on the other side, which would immediately signal which version he is.
  • In flashback we see the Guardians, with a hugely expanded roster fight Omnipotus. Where were all those guys when the Lizard League attacked? Why doesn't Cecil have them speed dial instead of sending in the three remaining main Guardians in against the odds?
    • Cecil, and to be fair the whole roster, does not take the current Lizard League seriously. He even says, a couple of episodes earlier, that if they can't handle the Lizard League then they don't deserve to be Guardians. They are treated as a joke, by everyone, so by the time it was realised they'd taken that leap from jokes to actual threats, Kate was already dead.
  • If the Lizard League were considered jokes to the Guardians, and yet were still able to be killed by a trio of their weaker members (mainly Rex), how were there still any of them around? The Guardians should have easily been able to take them down.
    • The previous Guardians seem to be holding back in their fights and in general try not to kill unless they're out of options and the new Guardians only move to kill them after Kate goes down, at which point the League gets wiped out with the Guardian's injuries practically all due to Komodo. With even one member with the durability to occupy the League's heavy hitter, the Guardians would have handled them easily, but they had the exact wrong crew for that. So in any other situation, they would be able and inclined to take them alive, leading to either the League managing to escape in the chaos of the fight or be broken out of jail later by their minions. In short, the Guardians's mercy and complacency were abused by the League, which worked out for them until Rex actually started aiming to kill rather than KO.
  • How is Mark-Prime the only good version of himself in the entire multiverse?
    • I think, he wasn't stated to be the only good Mark, just that good Marks are extremely rare. Which makes a lot of sense when you think about it. It would be way more logical for Omni-Man to indoctrinate Mark into the Viltrumite way of thinking since young age than raise him as an average Earth kid and just expect him to suddenly fall into the Viltrumite mentality when Mark is nearly an adult. Presumably, in all universes with evil Invincibles Omni-Men did exactly that and the reason Prime Omni-Man did not is because he came to genuinely enjoy his life on Earth and subconciously hoped that he would never have to go through with his mission. And as for rarity? What are the odds that a millenia-old soldier who conquered thousands of worlds before would be swayed from yet another such mission by what for him is basically a week undercover?
  • How is Rudy still apparently a super-genius without his freakishly deformed brain?
    • He did mention a large number of mods he was expecting the Maulers to put in, plus Rex might be smarter than he acts due to his isolated childhood (he outright stated he never got to go to school at one point in Season 1). However, season two has born out the hypothesis that he has got dumber and more at the mercy of his teenage hormones. The Mind Is a Plaything of the Body, right enough. Rudy and Monster Girl do act a lot more childish than their supposed chronological ages at times.
  • Angstrom Levy reveals that he's become super-strong and tough through the body modifications he's received, which is treated as a big twist. Yet just before this, when Angstrom was alone with Debbie, she staggers him by hitting him with a duck statue and carves a deep gash in his chest with a shard of broken glass. The gash is visible even when Angstrom is no-selling Invincible's punches. Why is he so weak against Debbie but so tough against Invincible?
    • Blunt damage from a punch isn't the same as a damage from a bladed attack, whatever upgrades he did get seem to have only affected his framework and not his complete durability. As for Mark's attacks, he said himself that he was holding back until the very end. Those "No-sells" could have very well been bluffs, since he was bleeding from getting dragged through pavement.
      • I don't think we've seen any other characters who are established to be resistant to punches but just as vulnerable to cuts as anyone else. If Angstrom is, you'd think he'd be bleeding a lot more during the early stages of the fight. Deborah gets pretty bloody just from getting tossed around a little bit, while Angstrom is getting hit by angry superhero punches. And your last two points seem to be at odds with each other. Was Angstrom not getting damaged because Mark was holding back so much, or was Angstrom actually getting damaged but pretending to not be? At any rate, I don't think either assertion bears out. While Mark is holding back on his initial his blows, he's certainly hitting harder than Deborah. And I don't know how Angstrom could just pretend to not be affected by superhero blows that are hurting him, especially if he couldn't pretend to not be affected by Deborah's.

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