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** Blunt damage from a punch isn't the same as a damage from a bladed attack, whatever upgrades he did get seem to have only affected his framework and not his complete durability. As for Mark's attacks, he said himself that he was holding back until the very end. Those "No-sells" could have very well been bluffs, since he was bleeding from getting dragged through pavement.

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** Blunt damage from a punch isn't the same as a damage from a bladed attack, whatever upgrades he did get seem to have only affected his framework and not his complete durability. As for Mark's attacks, he said himself that he was holding back until the very end. Those "No-sells" could have very well been bluffs, since he was bleeding from getting dragged through pavement.pavement.
*** I don't think we've seen any other characters who are established to be resistant to punches but just as vulnerable to cuts as anyone else. If Angstrom is, you'd think he'd be bleeding a lot more during the early stages of the fight. Deborah gets pretty bloody just from getting tossed around a little bit, while Angstrom is getting hit by angry superhero punches. And your last two points seem to be at odds with each other. Was Angstrom not getting damaged because Mark was holding back so much, or was Angstrom actually getting damaged but pretending to not be? At any rate, I don't think either assertion bears out. While Mark is holding back on his initial his blows, he's certainly hitting harder than Deborah. And I don't know how Angstrom could just pretend to not be affected by superhero blows that are hurting him, especially if he couldn't pretend to not be affected by Deborah's.
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* Angstrom Levy reveals that he's become super-strong and tough through the body modifications he's received, which is treated as a big twist. Yet just before this, when Angstrom was alone with Debbie, she staggers him by hitting him with a duck statue and carves a deep gash in his chest with a shard of broken glass. The gash is visible even when Angstrom is no-selling Invincible's punches. Why is he so weak against Debbie but so tough against Invincible?

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* Angstrom Levy reveals that he's become super-strong and tough through the body modifications he's received, which is treated as a big twist. Yet just before this, when Angstrom was alone with Debbie, she staggers him by hitting him with a duck statue and carves a deep gash in his chest with a shard of broken glass. The gash is visible even when Angstrom is no-selling Invincible's punches. Why is he so weak against Debbie but so tough against Invincible?Invincible?
** Blunt damage from a punch isn't the same as a damage from a bladed attack, whatever upgrades he did get seem to have only affected his framework and not his complete durability. As for Mark's attacks, he said himself that he was holding back until the very end. Those "No-sells" could have very well been bluffs, since he was bleeding from getting dragged through pavement.
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*** There's no indication that the twins were intentionally muddying the process. The mutilated Mauler is overjoyed that he's provably the original and wonders why he never thought of this before. It's only after the cloned Mauler kills him that the clone realizes the value in ambiguity.



*** That doesn't address the question. Both clones would have perfect memory of sitting down on the left or right table before the process begins. No matter what happens in the midst of the process, one of them will be getting up off the table on the other side, which would immediately signal which version he is.



** He did mention a large number of mods he was expecting the Maulers to put in, plus Rex might be smarter than he acts due to his isolated childhood (he outright stated he never got to go to school at one point in Season 1). However, season two has born out the hypothesis that he has got dumber and more at the mercy of his teenage hormones. TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody, right enough. Rudy and Monster Girl do act a lot more childish than their supposed chronological ages at times.

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** He did mention a large number of mods he was expecting the Maulers to put in, plus Rex might be smarter than he acts due to his isolated childhood (he outright stated he never got to go to school at one point in Season 1). However, season two has born out the hypothesis that he has got dumber and more at the mercy of his teenage hormones. TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody, right enough. Rudy and Monster Girl do act a lot more childish than their supposed chronological ages at times.times.
* Angstrom Levy reveals that he's become super-strong and tough through the body modifications he's received, which is treated as a big twist. Yet just before this, when Angstrom was alone with Debbie, she staggers him by hitting him with a duck statue and carves a deep gash in his chest with a shard of broken glass. The gash is visible even when Angstrom is no-selling Invincible's punches. Why is he so weak against Debbie but so tough against Invincible?
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* How is Rudy still apparently a super-genius without his freakishly deformed brain?

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* How is Rudy still apparently a super-genius without his freakishly deformed brain?brain?
** He did mention a large number of mods he was expecting the Maulers to put in, plus Rex might be smarter than he acts due to his isolated childhood (he outright stated he never got to go to school at one point in Season 1). However, season two has born out the hypothesis that he has got dumber and more at the mercy of his teenage hormones. TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody, right enough. Rudy and Monster Girl do act a lot more childish than their supposed chronological ages at times.
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* They want to use Earth as a breeding camp. Viltrumites are effectively extinct at this point (only over ''50'' remaining) and humans are the ideal breeding stock.

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* ** They want to use Earth as a breeding camp. Viltrumites are effectively extinct at this point (only over ''50'' remaining) and humans are the ideal breeding stock.
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* They want to use Earth as a breeding camp. Viltrumites are effectively extinct at this point (only over ''50'' remaining) and humans are the ideal breeding stock.
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** I think, he wasn't stated to be the ''only'' good Mark, just that good Marks are extremely rare. Which makes a lot of sense when you think about it. It would be way more logical for Omni-Man to indoctrinate Mark into the Viltrumite way of thinking since young age than raise him as an average Earth kid and just expect him to suddenly fall into the Viltrumite mentality when Mark is nearly an adult. Presumably, in all universes with evil Invincibles Omni-Men did exactly that and the reason Prime Omni-Man did not is because he [[BecomingTheMask came to genuinely enjoy his life on Earth]] and subconciously hoped that he would never have to go through with his mission. And as for rarity? What are the odds that a millenia-old soldier who conquered thousands of worlds before would be swayed from yet another such mission by what for him is basically a week undercover?

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** I think, he wasn't stated to be the ''only'' good Mark, just that good Marks are extremely rare. Which makes a lot of sense when you think about it. It would be way more logical for Omni-Man to indoctrinate Mark into the Viltrumite way of thinking since young age than raise him as an average Earth kid and just expect him to suddenly fall into the Viltrumite mentality when Mark is nearly an adult. Presumably, in all universes with evil Invincibles Omni-Men did exactly that and the reason Prime Omni-Man did not is because he [[BecomingTheMask came to genuinely enjoy his life on Earth]] and subconciously hoped that he would never have to go through with his mission. And as for rarity? What are the odds that a millenia-old soldier who conquered thousands of worlds before would be swayed from yet another such mission by what for him is basically a week undercover?undercover?
* How is Rudy still apparently a super-genius without his freakishly deformed brain?
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** The actual answer as revealed in Season 2 is that the racial supremacy mindset of the Viltrumite Empire is so extreme that they have very strict rules on what species they are allowed to interbreed with despite having the ability to breed with a large number of different species. Nolan probably didn't have any more children because he wasn't sure if humans were on the ok list for breeding, which is why he waited to see how Mark would turn out before he revealed his true colors.
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* How is Mark-Prime the only good version of himself in the entire multiverse?

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* How is Mark-Prime the only good version of himself in the entire multiverse?multiverse?
** I think, he wasn't stated to be the ''only'' good Mark, just that good Marks are extremely rare. Which makes a lot of sense when you think about it. It would be way more logical for Omni-Man to indoctrinate Mark into the Viltrumite way of thinking since young age than raise him as an average Earth kid and just expect him to suddenly fall into the Viltrumite mentality when Mark is nearly an adult. Presumably, in all universes with evil Invincibles Omni-Men did exactly that and the reason Prime Omni-Man did not is because he [[BecomingTheMask came to genuinely enjoy his life on Earth]] and subconciously hoped that he would never have to go through with his mission. And as for rarity? What are the odds that a millenia-old soldier who conquered thousands of worlds before would be swayed from yet another such mission by what for him is basically a week undercover?
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** The previous Guardians seem to be holding back in their fights and in general try not to kill unless they're out of options and the new Guardians only move to kill them after Kate goes down, at which point the League gets wiped out with the Guardian's injuries practically all due to Komodo. With even one member with the durability to occupy the League's heavy hitter, the Guardians would have handled them easily, but they had the exact wrong crew for that. So in any other situation, they would be able and inclined to take them alive, leading to either the League managing to escape in the chaos of the fight or be broken out of jail later by their minions. In short, the Guardians's mercy and complacency were abused by the League, which worked out for them until Rex actually started aiming to kill rather than KO.

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** The previous Guardians seem to be holding back in their fights and in general try not to kill unless they're out of options and the new Guardians only move to kill them after Kate goes down, at which point the League gets wiped out with the Guardian's injuries practically all due to Komodo. With even one member with the durability to occupy the League's heavy hitter, the Guardians would have handled them easily, but they had the exact wrong crew for that. So in any other situation, they would be able and inclined to take them alive, leading to either the League managing to escape in the chaos of the fight or be broken out of jail later by their minions. In short, the Guardians's mercy and complacency were abused by the League, which worked out for them until Rex actually started aiming to kill rather than KO.KO.
* How is Mark-Prime the only good version of himself in the entire multiverse?
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* If the Lizard League were considered jokes to the Guardians, and yet were still able to be killed by a trio of their weaker members (mainly Rex), how were there still any of them around? The Guardians should have easily been able to take them down.

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* If the Lizard League were considered jokes to the Guardians, and yet were still able to be killed by a trio of their weaker members (mainly Rex), how were there still any of them around? The Guardians should have easily been able to take them down.down.
**The previous Guardians seem to be holding back in their fights and in general try not to kill unless they're out of options and the new Guardians only move to kill them after Kate goes down, at which point the League gets wiped out with the Guardian's injuries practically all due to Komodo. With even one member with the durability to occupy the League's heavy hitter, the Guardians would have handled them easily, but they had the exact wrong crew for that. So in any other situation, they would be able and inclined to take them alive, leading to either the League managing to escape in the chaos of the fight or be broken out of jail later by their minions. In short, the Guardians's mercy and complacency were abused by the League, which worked out for them until Rex actually started aiming to kill rather than KO.
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** Cecil, and to be fair the whole roster, does not take the current Lizard League seriously. He even says, a couple of episodes earlier, that if they can't handle the Lizard League then they don't deserve to be Guardians. They are treated as a joke, by ''everyone'', so by the time it was realised they'd taken that leap from [[NotSoHarmlessVillain jokes to actual threats]], Kate was already dead.

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** Cecil, and to be fair the whole roster, does not take the current Lizard League seriously. He even says, a couple of episodes earlier, that if they can't handle the Lizard League then they don't deserve to be Guardians. They are treated as a joke, by ''everyone'', so by the time it was realised they'd taken that leap from [[NotSoHarmlessVillain jokes to actual threats]], Kate was already dead.dead.
* If the Lizard League were considered jokes to the Guardians, and yet were still able to be killed by a trio of their weaker members (mainly Rex), how were there still any of them around? The Guardians should have easily been able to take them down.
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* In flashback we see the Guardians, with a hugely expanded roster fight Omnipotus. Where were all those guys when the Lizard League attacked? Why doesn't Cecil have them speed dial instead of sending in the three remaining main Guardians in against the odds?

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* In flashback we see the Guardians, with a hugely expanded roster fight Omnipotus. Where were all those guys when the Lizard League attacked? Why doesn't Cecil have them speed dial instead of sending in the three remaining main Guardians in against the odds?odds?
** Cecil, and to be fair the whole roster, does not take the current Lizard League seriously. He even says, a couple of episodes earlier, that if they can't handle the Lizard League then they don't deserve to be Guardians. They are treated as a joke, by ''everyone'', so by the time it was realised they'd taken that leap from [[NotSoHarmlessVillain jokes to actual threats]], Kate was already dead.
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** It's may not just be about memory. The process itself is supposedly seamless. Clone Rudie didn't initially know which one he was, despite it being obvious, because he could also ''see'' himself on the other table moving OG Rudie's hand in the air and vice versa, implying that both minds are still linked at the exact moment of transfer, which confuses them of who is who. It's the feeling of "continuance". Say OG Mauler lays down on the left table and starts the cloning process. As it begins, OG Mauler now also perceives himself as being on the right table as his memories are copied onto Clone Mauler. So OG Mauler is no longer sure of what table he put the clone on because also ''remembers'' being on the right table during the process. Basically, the copy over is so quick and clean, both Maulers share the exact same mind for the during the brief seconds it happens.

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** It's may not just be about memory. The process itself is supposedly seamless. Clone Rudie didn't initially know which one he was, despite it being obvious, because he could also ''see'' himself on the other table moving OG Rudie's hand in the air and vice versa, implying that both minds are still linked at the exact moment of transfer, which confuses them of who is who. It's the feeling of "continuance". Say OG Mauler lays down on the left table and starts the cloning process. As it begins, OG Mauler now also perceives himself as being on the right table as his memories are copied onto Clone Mauler. So OG Mauler is no longer sure of what table he put the clone on because also ''remembers'' being on the right table during the process. Basically, the copy over is so quick and clean, both Maulers share the exact same mind for the during the brief seconds it happens.happens.
* In flashback we see the Guardians, with a hugely expanded roster fight Omnipotus. Where were all those guys when the Lizard League attacked? Why doesn't Cecil have them speed dial instead of sending in the three remaining main Guardians in against the odds?
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** Either Pete told him off-screen or the escaped twin simply guessed about the apology since thats what he would have done.
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** If they are smart enough to muddy the process so that they don't know who is the original, they are smart enough to muddy their own memory to ensure that they can't even deduce it from positioning. Maybe they take a big dose of ketamine or some other such memory muddying drug as part of the process, maybe the machine does it for them. There is a lot of ways they could do it.

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** If they are smart enough to muddy the process so that they don't know who is the original, they are smart enough to muddy their own memory to ensure that they can't even deduce it from positioning. Maybe they take a big dose of ketamine or some other such memory muddying drug as part of the process, maybe the machine does it for them. There is a lot of ways they could do it.it.
** It's may not just be about memory. The process itself is supposedly seamless. Clone Rudie didn't initially know which one he was, despite it being obvious, because he could also ''see'' himself on the other table moving OG Rudie's hand in the air and vice versa, implying that both minds are still linked at the exact moment of transfer, which confuses them of who is who. It's the feeling of "continuance". Say OG Mauler lays down on the left table and starts the cloning process. As it begins, OG Mauler now also perceives himself as being on the right table as his memories are copied onto Clone Mauler. So OG Mauler is no longer sure of what table he put the clone on because also ''remembers'' being on the right table during the process. Basically, the copy over is so quick and clean, both Maulers share the exact same mind for the during the brief seconds it happens.
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** The scene where Nolan crushes Josef's head is from Rush's perspective; i.e., super speed. From anyone else's perspective, it would have been as quick as when Nolan crushed the fighter pilot's head in episode 8. From the perspective of how long it takes blood to noticeably age, even with sci fi nonsense forensics, the blood from the knuckles & the blood from crushing his head would have, effectively, gotten on the suit at the same moment, & wouldn't be terribly unreasonable to assume any lingering blood on the chest is splatter from whatever the hands did.
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* Okay so the Mauler Twins intentionally rig the cloning process so they don't know which one of them is the original of a given pair, because both copies have the same memories. One slight problem with that being that their set up is consistently shown to be the bodies laying on tables next to one another, so they should both have the memory of laying down on either the left or right table before the process started, and should clock that whichever one of them is on that table is the original.

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* Okay so the Mauler Twins intentionally rig the cloning process so they don't know which one of them is the original of a given pair, because both copies have the same memories. One slight problem with that being that their set up is consistently shown to be the bodies laying on tables next to one another, so they should both have the memory of laying down on either the left or right table before the process started, and should clock that whichever one of them is on that table is the original.original.
** If they are smart enough to muddy the process so that they don't know who is the original, they are smart enough to muddy their own memory to ensure that they can't even deduce it from positioning. Maybe they take a big dose of ketamine or some other such memory muddying drug as part of the process, maybe the machine does it for them. There is a lot of ways they could do it.
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** More likely, Robot's schemes to get a healthy new body for himself was what directly led to the Immortal being resurrected when he was, which was what directly led to Mark discovering the truth when and how he did. [[ForWantOfANail Alternate Robot still using his original body means that series of events didn't happen in that universe, which would give Alternate Nolan much more opportunity to twist the truth and convince Alternate Mark to join his side]]. Heck, as far as we know, assuming that the battle against Cecil's assets went the same, Nolan may even have framed him for his initial crimes and used Cecil's prolonged assault against him as both proof and extra reason for Mark to join him.

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** More likely, Robot's schemes to get a healthy new body for himself was what directly led to the Immortal being resurrected when he was, which was what directly led to Mark discovering the truth when and how he did. [[ForWantOfANail [[ButterflyOfDoom Alternate Robot still using his original body means that series of events didn't happen in that universe, which would give Alternate Nolan much more opportunity to twist the truth and convince Alternate Mark to join his side]]. Heck, as far as we know, assuming that the battle against Cecil's assets went the same, Nolan may even have framed him for his initial crimes and used Cecil's prolonged assault against him as both proof and extra reason for Mark to join him.

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** Did Omni-Man not help Invincible against Machine Head because he wanted to teach Mark a lesson? Or is it because Battle Beast was there?

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** More likely, Robot's schemes to get a healthy new body for himself was what directly led to the Immortal being resurrected when he was, which was what directly led to Mark discovering the truth when and how he did. [[ForWantOfANail Alternate Robot still using his original body means that series of events didn't happen in that universe, which would give Alternate Nolan much more opportunity to twist the truth and convince Alternate Mark to join his side]]. Heck, as far as we know, assuming that the battle against Cecil's assets went the same, Nolan may even have framed him for his initial crimes and used Cecil's prolonged assault against him as both proof and extra reason for Mark to join him.
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* When we see the Maulers back in prison, one of them tells Pete that they said sorry, but it was the twin that died in the previous escape who knocked Pete out to open his cell. Is this a mistake in the scrip?

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* When we see the Maulers back in prison, one of them tells Pete that they said sorry, but it was the twin that died in the previous escape who knocked Pete out to open his cell. Is this a mistake in the scrip?scrip?
* Okay so the Mauler Twins intentionally rig the cloning process so they don't know which one of them is the original of a given pair, because both copies have the same memories. One slight problem with that being that their set up is consistently shown to be the bodies laying on tables next to one another, so they should both have the memory of laying down on either the left or right table before the process started, and should clock that whichever one of them is on that table is the original.
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*** Not so exaggerated as several Viltrumites have expressed respect for Nolan's strength, making it clear that he's actually one of the stronger Viltrumites and that Mark is closer to the level of strength a Viltrumite has.

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*** Not so exaggerated as several Viltrumites have expressed respect for Nolan's strength, making it clear that he's actually one of the stronger Viltrumites and that Mark is closer to the level of strength a Viltrumite has. And one alternate dimension shows that once Nolan is out of the picture, Mark goes down much easier. This makes it possible that the common Viltrumite needs the time to weaken the planet's defenses before reinforcements arrive or otherwise they would lose too much forces trying to conquer a planet.
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*** Not so exaggerated as several Viltrumites have expressed respect for Nolan's strength, making it clear that he's actually one of the stronger Viltrumites and that Mark is closer to the level of strength a Viltrumite has.
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** Robot still has his original body in the 646 universe, so the point of divergence seems to be earlier than that. My guess would be that Omni-Man started indoctrinating his Mark into Viltrumite ideology years earlier in that universe, but the rest of the timeline stayed more-or-less the same InSpiteOfANail.

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** Robot still has his original body in the 646 universe, so the point of divergence seems to be earlier than that. My guess would be that Omni-Man started indoctrinating his Mark into Viltrumite ideology years earlier in that universe, but the rest of the timeline stayed more-or-less the same InSpiteOfANail.InSpiteOfANail.
* When we see the Maulers back in prison, one of them tells Pete that they said sorry, but it was the twin that died in the previous escape who knocked Pete out to open his cell. Is this a mistake in the scrip?
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** Robot still has his original body in the 646 universe, so the point of divergence seems to be earlier than that. My guess would be that Omni-Man started indoctrinating his Mark into Viltrumite ideology years earlier in that universe, but the rest of the timeline stayed more-or-less the same InSpiteOfANail.
* Please don't tell me that they are going to have Anissa [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil hurt]] [[TheWoobie Mark Grayson]] again? I do not want my boy suffering like that unless Anissa is [[CruelAndUnusualDeath brutally killed]] by the heroes in [[CatharsisFactor most satisfying]] [[LaserGuidedKarma way possible]].

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** Robot still has his original body in the 646 universe, so the point of divergence seems to be earlier than that. My guess would be that Omni-Man started indoctrinating his Mark into Viltrumite ideology years earlier in that universe, but the rest of the timeline stayed more-or-less the same InSpiteOfANail.
* Please don't tell me that they are going to have Anissa [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil hurt]] [[TheWoobie Mark Grayson]] again? I do not want my boy suffering like that unless Anissa is [[CruelAndUnusualDeath brutally killed]] by the heroes in [[CatharsisFactor most satisfying]] [[LaserGuidedKarma way possible]].
InSpiteOfANail.
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** Robot still has his original body in the 646 universe, so the point of divergence seems to be earlier than that. My guess would be that Omni-Man started indoctrinating his Mark into Viltrumite ideology years earlier in that universe, but the rest of the timeline stayed more-or-less the same InSpiteOfANail.

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** Robot still has his original body in the 646 universe, so the point of divergence seems to be earlier than that. My guess would be that Omni-Man started indoctrinating his Mark into Viltrumite ideology years earlier in that universe, but the rest of the timeline stayed more-or-less the same InSpiteOfANail.InSpiteOfANail.
* Please don't tell me that they are going to have Anissa [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil hurt]] [[TheWoobie Mark Grayson]] again? I do not want my boy suffering like that unless Anissa is [[CruelAndUnusualDeath brutally killed]] by the heroes in [[CatharsisFactor most satisfying]] [[LaserGuidedKarma way possible]].
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* What caused Invincible-646's FaceHeelTurn? His universe seems to be identical to the prime reality up to the InternalReveal about Omni-Man, so it's seems unlikely this Mark was indoctrinated into his father's way of thinking.

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* What caused Invincible-646's FaceHeelTurn? His universe seems to be identical to the prime reality up to the InternalReveal about Omni-Man, so it's seems unlikely this Mark was indoctrinated into his father's way of thinking.thinking.
** Robot still has his original body in the 646 universe, so the point of divergence seems to be earlier than that. My guess would be that Omni-Man started indoctrinating his Mark into Viltrumite ideology years earlier in that universe, but the rest of the timeline stayed more-or-less the same InSpiteOfANail.
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** You are putting more thought into this than the source material deserves, I am afraid. The Viltrumites are the stereotypical [[TheEmpire Evil Empire]]. They justify their conquest with their narcissistic believe that they are the Master Race of the universe, and in the comic it is heavily implied that they somehow ruin the races they conquer by depriving their planets of natural ressources once they take over. How this could possibly be the case in an empire of thousands of worlds ruled by a single planet, and where all these resources could possibly go is never even remotely explored. Long story short, they are evil and you are not supposed to think about it.

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