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** His claim of "perversions" makes sense since the nuclear war was started by a man who's become insecure about his sexual performance.

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** His claim of "perversions" "pre-versions" makes sense since the nuclear war was started by a man who's become insecure about his sexual performance.
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** Though given how eager Turgidson is to exploit Ripper's preemptive strike and hit the Russians early on, his mental acuity is still highly questionable.
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* Dr. Strangelove's idea of a polyamorous world seems like a weird fantasy, but it was an actual component of Nazi ideology: the Nazis wanted their woman to have lots of kids so that their future empire would be teeming with Aryan children. His idea that the people fortunate enough to be allowed to live underground should have "desirable" traits is another subtle reference to the Nazi belief in Aryan superiority.

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* Dr. Strangelove's idea of a polyamorous world seems like a weird perverted fantasy, but it polyamory was an actual component of Nazi ideology: the Nazis wanted their woman to have lots of kids so that their future empire would be teeming with Aryan children. His idea that the people fortunate enough to be allowed to live underground should have "desirable" traits is another subtle reference to the Nazi belief in Aryan superiority.eugenics. In trying to promote their ideologies through nuclear aggression, the Soviets and Americans set up the post-apocalyptic world to become a Nazi dystopia.



** His claim of "perversions" makes sense since the nuclear war is started by a man who's become insecure about his sexual performance.
** Trying to take money from a vending machine ''is'' theft, and he doesn't have a reason to believe this panicky British officer is in a "trying to save the world" kind of situation.

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** His claim of "perversions" makes sense since the nuclear war is was started by a man who's become insecure about his sexual performance.
** Trying He's supposedly a stubborn fool for not wanting to take change from a Coca-Cola machine, but trying to take money from a vending machine ''is'' theft, and he doesn't have a reason to believe this panicky British officer is in a "trying to save the world" kind of situation.
situation that would justify looting company money.

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* Why is the film named ''Dr. Strangelove'' when the titular character is secondary at best? Because it's set in ''his'' world of nuclear warfare logic and stacks of ever-more-absurd contingency plans; the rest of the cast just live in it. Since he's the head of weapons development, he quite literally helped build the world the plot occurs in, and he's the only one to which everything makes sense. Beyond that, he's not surprised or angered at the doomsday machine's construction--it makes sense to him, and he clearly enjoys saying how such a MAD thing works--the only thing that angers him is when the Soviets violate his nuclear deterrent logic by having a functional machine but not telling the world immediately.

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* Why is the film named ''Dr. Strangelove'' when the titular character is secondary at best? Because it's set in ''his'' world of nuclear warfare logic and stacks of ever-more-absurd contingency plans; the rest of the cast just live in it. Since he's the head of weapons development, he quite literally helped build the world the plot occurs in, and [[CrazySane he's the only one to which everything makes sense. sense]]. Beyond that, he's not surprised or angered at the doomsday machine's construction--it makes sense to him, and he clearly enjoys saying how such a MAD thing works--the only thing that angers him is when the Soviets violate his nuclear deterrent logic by having a functional machine but not telling the world immediately.
immediately. When the nuclear war becomes inevitable, the President and his officials listen to Dr. Strangelove's idea of how the survivors should live and what qualities the people living underground should possess.
* Dr. Strangelove's idea of a polyamorous world seems like a weird fantasy, but it was an actual component of Nazi ideology: the Nazis wanted their woman to have lots of kids so that their future empire would be teeming with Aryan children. His idea that the people fortunate enough to be allowed to live underground should have "desirable" traits is another subtle reference to the Nazi belief in Aryan superiority.
* It's easy to write off Guano as an imbecile, but consider things from his perspective:
** He and his soldiers have had to fight against a general gone rogue. And he's no fool in that department since he specifically admonishes Mandrake for assuming he went into battle with loose change, which is an actual battlefield tip.
** His claim of "perversions" makes sense since the nuclear war is started by a man who's become insecure about his sexual performance.
** Trying to take money from a vending machine ''is'' theft, and he doesn't have a reason to believe this panicky British officer is in a "trying to save the world" kind of situation.
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* Why is the film named ''Dr. Strangelove'' when the titular character is secondary at best? Because it's set in ''his'' world of nuclear warfare logic and stacks of ever-more-absurd contingency plans; the rest of the cast just live in it. Since he's the head of weapons development, he quite literally helped build the world the plot occurs in, and he's the only one to which everything makes sense. Beyond that, he's not surprised or angered at the doomsday machine's construction--it makes sense to him, and he clearly enjoys saying how such a MAD thing works--the only thing that angers him is when the Soviets violate his nuclear deterrent logic by having a functional machine but not telling the world immediately.
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* It has been noticed that if you compared the cool and methodical Ripper with the bombastic Turgidson without understanding the context, you might think Ripper was the sane one and Turgidson the crazy guy, but in reality Ripper is dangerously paranoid and Turgidson is usually correct about his accusations and is working with the President to try and resolve the situation. Given that Ripper is implied to suffer from [[TheLoinsSleepTonight male performance issues]] and repressed sexuality, while Turgidson is shown to be fooling around with his secretary right up to shortly before he gets called in to deal with the crisis, it's possible that Turgidson is mentally healthy and not trying to start a nuclear war simply ''because'' he isn't holding anything in or questioning his manhood.

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* It has been noticed that if you compared the cool and methodical Ripper with the bombastic Turgidson without understanding the context, you might think Ripper was the sane one and Turgidson the crazy guy, but in reality reality, Ripper is dangerously paranoid and Turgidson is usually correct about his accusations and is working with the President to try and resolve the situation. Given that Ripper is implied to suffer from [[TheLoinsSleepTonight male performance issues]] and repressed sexuality, while Turgidson is shown to be fooling around with his secretary right up to shortly before he gets called in to deal with the crisis, it's possible that Turgidson is mentally healthy and not trying to start a nuclear war simply ''because'' he isn't holding anything in or questioning his manhood.



* With 93 years before the world is inhabitable once more, and little to no time to prepare the settlement of the mines, it's unlikely that either side would be able to secure safe foodstores and unirradiated humans with enough varied genetic stock for humanity to ultimately survive. While it's implied Strangelove has been planning elements of this, he has no clear ties to Ripper, and Kissov's delayed announcement of the doomsday device enrages Strangelove. It's likely he's got some of the groundwork set up, but not as much as he wanted.

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* With 93 years before the world is inhabitable once more, habitable again, and little to no time to prepare the settlement of the mines, it's unlikely that either side would be able to secure safe foodstores food stores and unirradiated humans with enough varied genetic stock for humanity to ultimately survive. While it's implied Strangelove has been planning elements of this, he has no clear ties to Ripper, and Kissov's delayed announcement of the doomsday device enrages Strangelove. It's likely he's got some of the groundwork set up, but not as much as he wanted.

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* Each plane is 2 hours from target at fail safe point. The order for the 23rd airborne to move in and get General Ripper wasn't issued until at least 40 minutes into that 2 hours. Especially considering it wasn't last minute recall. Going by the big board and time shown of Major Kong's plane after the code was issued, it was issued with at least 15 minutes to spare. More if you consider Major Kong went to a target of opportunity and not his primary. In anycase the 23rd airborne was somehow able to receive and relay the order, wake up the units 3 in the morning, get ready, pack in trucks, drive 7 miles into an ambush, then fight their way to the air base command post for Colonel Bat Guano to get Mandrake on the phone in an hour or less. The air field defense force must be the worst and the 23rd airborne must be the most efficient and badass army unit ever.
** Air Police are precisely that: a police force, lightly-equipped. They're very good at what they do but against dedicated infantry they're fighting out of their weight.
** During the skirmish, it also doesn't look like 3 or 4 in the morning either.
** It's 3 am in Washington when the movie starts, but we don't know where the AF base is supposed to be.
*** The base is supposed to be in the U.K., which would make it about 7:00 AM. Keep in mind the latitude will affect how light or dark it is outside as well.
*** The issue with the base being in the U.K. is that Mandrake has to use American terms when speaking with the operator and definitely isn't placing an overseas call.
* An intentional case adding some FridgeHorror to the obvious horror: with 93 years before the world is inhabitable once more, and little to no time to prepare the settlement of the mines, it's unlikely that either side would be able to secure safe foodstores and unirradiated humans with enough varied genetic stock for humanity to ultimately survive. While it's implied Strangelove has been planning elements of this, he has no clear ties to Ripper, and Kissov's delayed announcement of the doomsday device enrages Strangelove. It's likely he's got some of the groundwork set up, but not enough.

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* Each plane is 2 hours from target at fail safe point. The order for the 23rd airborne to move in and get General Ripper wasn't issued until at least 40 minutes into that 2 hours. Especially considering it wasn't last minute recall. Going by the big board and time shown of Major Kong's plane after the code was issued, it was issued with at least 15 minutes to spare. More if you consider Major Kong went to a target of opportunity and not his primary. In anycase the 23rd airborne was somehow able to receive and relay the order, wake up the units 3 in the morning, get ready, pack in trucks, drive 7 miles into an ambush, then fight their way to the air base command post for Colonel Bat Guano to get Mandrake on the phone in an hour or less. The air field defense force must be the worst and the 23rd airborne must be the most efficient and badass army unit ever.
** Air Police are precisely that: a police force, lightly-equipped. They're very good at what they do but against dedicated infantry they're fighting out of their weight.
** During the skirmish, it also doesn't look like 3 or 4 in the morning either.
** It's 3 am in Washington when the movie starts, but we don't know where the AF base is supposed to be.
*** The base is supposed to be in the U.K., which would make it about 7:00 AM. Keep in mind the latitude will affect how light or dark it is outside as well.
*** The issue with the base being in the U.K. is that Mandrake has to use American terms when speaking with the operator and definitely isn't placing an overseas call.
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With 93 years before the world is inhabitable once more, and little to no time to prepare the settlement of the mines, it's unlikely that either side would be able to secure safe foodstores and unirradiated humans with enough varied genetic stock for humanity to ultimately survive. While it's implied Strangelove has been planning elements of this, he has no clear ties to Ripper, and Kissov's delayed announcement of the doomsday device enrages Strangelove. It's likely he's got some of the groundwork set up, but not enough.as much as he wanted.

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This is just one example of the main theme of the film, which is addressed in the actual tropes


* Bat Guano is [[LawfulStupid laughably stupid]], but his own imbecility about everything being related to "preversion" makes him right in a meta-sense, Kubrick made a movie where war --and almost everything else-- is related to sex.
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These are just facts about survival kits, not fridge brilliance of the film


* Why did the survival kit contain such seemingly random items as chewing gum, prophylactics, and stockings? Because at least some of the included items were intended to be bartered for help from the locals.
** There were already Roubles and gold in the kit for this purpose also.
** The fact prophylactics have been used in surival kits for emergency water storage might also have something to do with it.
*** Condoms can also be placed over gun barrels to prevent them from filling with water, and have been used this way in the military in, I believe, the Vietnam War.
*** Stockings can also be used to filter air or water at need. As far as barter, if they're far enough out in the sticks or things have been so wrecked as to make money useless (altogether likely) being able to offer valuable goods in exchange for aid is a very good position to be in.
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This is rather surface level


** Further, if that's all he drinks, he's probably blind drunk through the entire course of the movie. Ever make a rash decision while you were drunk? Probably not as rash as starting World War III, but still.
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* The in-universe CriticalResearchFailure on the part of the Soviets getting their information on the Doomsday device from the New York Times makes a lot more sense when you remember that most printed media in the USSR was either entirely state-run or strictly controlled by the state. The US media didn't operate under the same rules, but the Soviets fail to work on that assumption, treating the Fourth Estate as a semi-official source as if there were no separation of powers like back at home.

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* The in-universe CriticalResearchFailure on the part of the Soviets getting their information on the Doomsday device from the New York Times makes a lot more sense when you remember that most printed media in the USSR was either entirely state-run or strictly controlled by the state. The US media didn't operate under the same rules, but the Soviets fail to work on that assumption, treating the Fourth Estate as a semi-official source as if there were no separation of powers like back at home.
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*** Condoms can also be placed over gun barrels to prevent them from filling with water, and have been used this way in the military in, I believe, the Vietnam War.
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* An intentional case: with 93 years before the world is inhabitable once more, and little to no time to prepare the settlement of the mines, it's unlikely that either side would be able to secure safe foodstores and unirradiated humans with enough varied genetic stock for humanity to ultimately survive. While it's implied Strangelove has been planning elements of this, he has no clear ties to Ripper, and Kissov's delayed announcement of the doomsday device enrages Strangelove. It's likely he's got some of the groundwork set up, but not enough.

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* An intentional case: case adding some FridgeHorror to the obvious horror: with 93 years before the world is inhabitable once more, and little to no time to prepare the settlement of the mines, it's unlikely that either side would be able to secure safe foodstores and unirradiated humans with enough varied genetic stock for humanity to ultimately survive. While it's implied Strangelove has been planning elements of this, he has no clear ties to Ripper, and Kissov's delayed announcement of the doomsday device enrages Strangelove. It's likely he's got some of the groundwork set up, but not enough.
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* An intentional case: with 93 years before the world is inhabitable once more, and little to no time to prepare the settlement of the mines, it's unlikely that either side would be able to secure safe foodstores and unirradiated humans with enough varied genetic stock for humanity to ultimately survive. While it's implied Strangelove has been planning elements of this, he's he has no clear ties to Ripper, and Kissov's delayed announcement of the doomsday device enrages Strangelove. It's likely he's got some of the groundwork set up, but not enough.

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* An intentional case: with 93 years before the world is inhabitable once more, and little to no time to prepare the settlement of the mines, it's unlikely that either side would be able to secure safe foodstores and unirradiated humans with enough varied genetic stock for humanity to ultimately survive. While it's implied Strangelove has been planning elements of this, he's he has no clear ties to Ripper, and Kissov's delayed announcement of the doomsday device enrages Strangelove. It's likely he's got some of the groundwork set up, but not enough.
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* Bat Guano is [[LawfulStupid laughably stupid]], but his own imbecility about everything being related to "preversion" makes him right in a meta-sense, Kubrick made a movie where war --and almost everything else-- is related to sex, as described in main under FreudWasRight.

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* Bat Guano is [[LawfulStupid laughably stupid]], but his own imbecility about everything being related to "preversion" makes him right in a meta-sense, Kubrick made a movie where war --and almost everything else-- is related to sex, as described in main under FreudWasRight.sex.
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Not my entry, but it's a valid point. The ambassador is treating media as stuff as official info, because he's not familiar with the separation of powers thing



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* The in-universe CriticalResearchFailure on the part of the Soviets getting their information on the Doomsday device from the New York Times makes a lot more sense when you remember that most printed media in the USSR was either entirely state-run or strictly controlled by the state. The US media didn't operate under the same rules, but the Soviets fail to work on that assumption, treating the Fourth Estate as a semi-official source as if there were no separation of powers like back at home.
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* The in-universe CriticalResearchFailure on the part of the Soviets getting their information on the Doomsday device from the New York Times makes a lot more sense when you remember that most printed media in the USSR was either entirely state-run or strictly controlled by the state. The US media didn't operate under the same rules, but the Soviets wouldn't necessarily know that.

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* The in-universe CriticalResearchFailure on the part of the Soviets getting their information on the Doomsday device from the New York Times makes a lot more sense when you remember that most printed media in the USSR was either entirely state-run or strictly controlled by the state. The US media didn't operate under the same rules, but the Soviets wouldn't necessarily know that.

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* The in-universe CriticalResearchFailure on the part of the Soviets getting their information on the Doomsday device from the New York Times makes a lot more sense when you remember that most printed media in the USSR was either entirely state-run or strictly controlled by the state. The US media didn't operate under the same rules, but the Soviets wouldn't necessarily know that.



* Each plane is 2 hours from target at fail safe point. The order for the 23rd airborne to move in and get General Ripper wasn't issued until at least 40 minutes into that 2 hours. Especially considering it wasn't last minute recall. Going by the big board and time shown of Major Kong's plane after the code was issued, it was issued with at least 15 minutes to spare. More if you consider Major Kong went to a target of opportunity and not his primary. In anycase the 23rd airborne was somehow able to recieve and relay the order, wake up the units 3 in the morning, get ready, pack in trucks, drive 7 miles into an ambush, then fight their way to the air base command post for Colonel Bat Guano to get Mandrake on the phone in an hour or less. The air field defense force must be the worst and the 23rd airborne must be the most efficient and badass army unit ever.

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* Each plane is 2 hours from target at fail safe point. The order for the 23rd airborne to move in and get General Ripper wasn't issued until at least 40 minutes into that 2 hours. Especially considering it wasn't last minute recall. Going by the big board and time shown of Major Kong's plane after the code was issued, it was issued with at least 15 minutes to spare. More if you consider Major Kong went to a target of opportunity and not his primary. In anycase the 23rd airborne was somehow able to recieve receive and relay the order, wake up the units 3 in the morning, get ready, pack in trucks, drive 7 miles into an ambush, then fight their way to the air base command post for Colonel Bat Guano to get Mandrake on the phone in an hour or less. The air field defense force must be the worst and the 23rd airborne must be the most efficient and badass army unit ever.


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* It has been noticed that if you compared the cool and methodical Ripper with the bombastic Turgidson without understanding the context, you might think Ripper was the sane one and Turgidson the crazy guy, but in reality Ripper is dangerously paranoid and Turgidson is usually correct about his accusations and is working with the President to try and resolve the situation. Given that Ripper is implied to suffer from [[TheLoinsSleepTonight male performance issues]] and repressed sexuality, while Turgidson is shown to be fooling around with his secretary right up to shortly before he gets called in to deal with the crisis, it's possible that Turgidson is mentally healthy and not trying to start a nuclear war simply ''because'' he isn't holding anything in or questioning his manhood.
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*** The base is supposed to be in the U.K., which would make it about 7:00 AM. Keep in mind the latitude will affect how light or dark it is outside as well.

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*** The base is supposed to be in the U.K., which would make it about 7:00 AM. Keep in mind the latitude will affect how light or dark it is outside as well.well.
* An intentional case: with 93 years before the world is inhabitable once more, and little to no time to prepare the settlement of the mines, it's unlikely that either side would be able to secure safe foodstores and unirradiated humans with enough varied genetic stock for humanity to ultimately survive. While it's implied Strangelove has been planning elements of this, he's he has no clear ties to Ripper, and Kissov's delayed announcement of the doomsday device enrages Strangelove. It's likely he's got some of the groundwork set up, but not enough.

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** Further, if that's all he drinks, he's probably blind drunk through the entire course of the movie.

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** Further, if that's all he drinks, he's probably blind drunk through the entire course of the movie. Ever make a rash decision while you were drunk? Probably not as rash as starting World War III, but still.
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** Further, if that's all he drinks, he's probably blind drunk through the entire course of the movie.
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*** Stockings can also be used to filter air or water at need. As far as barter, if they're far enough out in the sticks or things have been so wrecked as to make money useless (altogether likely) being able to offer valuable goods in exchange for aid is a very good position to be in.



** Air Police are precisely that: a police force, lightly-equipped. They're very good at what they do but against dedicated infantry they're fighting out of their weight.



** It's 3 am in Washington when the movie starts, but we don't know where the AF base is supposed to be.

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** It's 3 am in Washington when the movie starts, but we don't know where the AF base is supposed to be.be.
*** The base is supposed to be in the U.K., which would make it about 7:00 AM. Keep in mind the latitude will affect how light or dark it is outside as well.
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** During the skirmish, it also doesn't look like 3 or 4 in the morning either.

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** During the skirmish, it also doesn't look like 3 or 4 in the morning either.either.
** It's 3 am in Washington when the movie starts, but we don't know where the AF base is supposed to be.
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** Bat Guano is [[LawfulStupid laughably stupid]], but his own imbecility about everything being related to "preversion" makes him right in a meta-sense, Kubrick made a movie where war --and almost everything else-- is related to sex, as described in main under FreudWasRight.

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** * Bat Guano is [[LawfulStupid laughably stupid]], but his own imbecility about everything being related to "preversion" makes him right in a meta-sense, Kubrick made a movie where war --and almost everything else-- is related to sex, as described in main under FreudWasRight.
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** Bat Guano is [[LawfulStupid laughably stupid]], but his own imbecility about everything being related to "preversion" makes him right in a meta-sense, Kubrick made a movie where war --and almost everything else-- is related to sex, as described in main under FreudWasRight.
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** There were already Roubles and gold in the kit for this purpose also.
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* Vodka is already grain alcohol and water. Essentially Ripper's solution to avoiding Commie fluids is to make his own.
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** The fact prophylactics have been used in surival kits for emergency water storage might also have something to do with it.
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* Each plane is 2 hours from target at fail safe point. The order for the 23rd airborne to move in and get General Ripper wasn't issued until at least 40 minutes into that 2 hours. Especially considering it wasn't last minute recall. Going by the big board and time shown of Major Kong's plane after the code was issued, it was issued with at least 15 minutes to spare. More if you consider Major Kong went to a target of opportunity and not his primary. In anycase the 23rd airborne was somehow able to recieve and relay the order, wake up the units 3 in the morning, get ready, pack in trucks, drive 7 miles into an ambush, then fight their way to the air base command post for Colonel Bat Guano to get Mandrake on the phone in an hour or less. The air field defense force must be the worst and the 23rd airborne must be the most efficient and badass army unit ever.
** During the skirmish, it also doesn't look like 3 or 4 in the morning either.

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