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Fridge: Command & Conquer

Fridge Brilliance:

  • This troper felt that the US President in Red Alert 3 being an Imperial cyborg spy was incredibly stupid and out of the blue, even for a series as camp as this one. However, playing through the Ally and Soviet campaigns a second time made me realise just how brilliant a development it was: the Empire infiltrated the HIGHEST LEVELS OF AMERICAN OFFICE, giving themselves an incredible means to deflect attention away from Japan, and onto the Soviet Union. It suddenly became a pretty slick twist. - poptart_fairy
    • It also makes MORE sense during the Allied Campaign as said President goes off to launch attacks as the Soviets with super weapons. This makes sense because since he's an Imperial cyborg he was ordered to shoot at the Soviets and stop them from joining forces and get them fighting each other again.
    • The United States in general isn't as powerful as it was in the previous game, so this could be a bit more plausible for such a deep infiltration. It could also answer why Einstein's absence would suddenly bring upon the Rising Sun.
  • In the Allied campaign in Yuri' Revenge, after you go back in time, the war against the Soviet Union is won without you doing a single mission against them. At first, it seemed odd, until I realized - your earlier self was still around. The Allies found themselves with two commanders, so they sent one against Yuri, the other against the Soviets. Incidentally, this also means that there are two Tanyas.
    • .And there is the tech you bring back that was still being developed at the start if the war.
  • In Command & Conquer: Tiberium Wars, the Scrin's "vehicles" are all either hovercraft or legged walkers. They don't use any treaded or wheeled vehicles. At first this just seemed like a design decision to emphasize their alien design and advanced technology. It wasn't until later that I realized that they were designed to operate on planets heavily converted by tiberium - worlds that were naturally going to have nightmarish terrain of jagged crystalline structures that would be impossible to drive wheeled or tracked vehicles through, but that hovering or legged vehicles would much more easily navigate. Suddenly, the Scrin's weapons design isn't just alien, its exceptionally practical for the environments they work in. —Unknown Troper
  • C&C 4 is the black sheep of the series, and Kane seems to be doing some very stupid things, such as seeming to leave the implants in the open. Then you realize; he left the implants relatively open because most of them are living 'normal' lives! That's right, he's putting his plan's keys in the least likely of places, people (such as Dr. Pascal) who are either going to be high on GDI's protect list, or can defend themselves (in this case, the player). Then you realize in the Nod campaign (whose events are generally canonical, as it ties into the GDI campaign), that Colonel James is with Gideon to take down Nod; and James had Pascal tied up and gagged when she met him. That means that Gideon didn't get Pascal or the other implant holders at random or by idiocy on Kane's part; they were betrayed from the inside. It's dual layered, and it failed, but the fact that Kane learned not to put things in heavy Nod bases that are screaming "Kane's Big Scheme!" helps. To list; Tib Dawn: Temple Prime got ionized. Tib Sun: He aimed to fire a giant world-killing missile, expecting to be able to stop GDI. He can't stop GDI. Tiberium Wars: He tricks GDI into 'winning' the war to get his goals. Tiberian Twilight: He does his best to avoid putting his keys in places that you'd expect the [1] to keep it. Further brilliance occurs with the Motion Comic; Kane mentions that the device he wants Peirce to recover is "protected against [his] kind", and it's a key to "Ascension." The implants were the key. The basic design of the implants was basically taken from something that isn't supposed to be used by people like Kane, so that's why he couldn't use it. Doesn't excuse everything, but it makes a lot more sense than just it was a bunch of flukes. - Luke Danger
  • Not sure if this should go here or under "Game Developers", but when this troper read an article describing Westwood's original plans for C&C3, including a plot point where a Nod psychic named Yuri is accidentally sent back in time via chronosphere, he wondered why EA didn't include this brilliant plot point in their version of the game. Then it hit him: tying the two Westwood franchises together would only serve to justify all the backlash EA recieved for Generals being called a "Command & Conquer" game. It's in EA's best interest to pretend all three series are completely distinct universes with no crossover whatsoever. - sirbacon
  • Command and Conquer Red Alert brilliance- Nadia poisons General Gradenko and Stalin in the same manner; a cup of tea, laced with poison, "made by herself." Russians love their tea the way Stalin loves indiscriminate murder.
  • So, I was wondering why the Scrin didn't just Tiberiumify Mars or a super-Earth somewhere given that Tiberium is actually a harvest, not really a terraforming agent and it would be easier to just seed planets without hostile natives who might intefere with the process or at least the locals wouldn't be as hostile if it's not their planet. Then it occurred to me that they probably deliberately target life-bearing planets in order to pre-emptively eliminate potential threats.
    • The initial version of tiberium is also an infection and transformation of local plant life. It isn't until later on that it transforms into the Von-Nuemann crystal. Therefore, tiberium grows best on life-bearing planets.
  • I wondered why the hidden campaign in Red Alert pit you against giant ants as a force with a combination of Allies and Soviet units, and why the units were a yellow-ish colour. I always assumed that the Allies and Soviets had teamed up to fight the ants, and that the yellow was from the ant blood or something. Then, it hit me. You're not Allies. You're not Soviet. You're the goddamn Global Defense Initiative!
    • Given how you have direct access to Mammoth Tanks, this probably means that Tiberium is connected to Red Alert - whichever branch of Red Alert the Giant Ants campaign is considered canon in.
      • At the time, they were connected — Westwood was quite open that RA was intended to be a prequel. Red Alert 2 derailed that, and the universes ended up officially divorced, but Red Alert's developers couldn't know that would happen when they were making the Secret Ant Missions (though it is more likely the group you're playing as is not UNGDI proper, but rather an earlier incarnation — like Operations Group Echo: Black Ops 9, or the provisional group that will become Black Ops 9).
  • Yuri paints his forces purple, and tends to steal units from the Allies (blue) and Soviets (red). Since Yuri uses both faction's units at the drop of a hat, it makes perfect sense that he use a color which is a mix of both the other faction's colors.
    • Expanding of this, this would mean that the only two remaining primary colors are either Yellow or Green (depending). Green was used as your co-commander in RA 3, so why doesn't the Empire use the color yellow? Red Alert is many things - racist isn't one of them.
    • Yuri's forces tend to be overpowered and often made of pure Nightmare Fuel. Why? Well, why wouldn't a man who is keenly aware of the benefits to breaking an enemy's morale use units that are designed to shock and horrify an enemy soldier? His buddy just exploded into a cloud of toxic gas. His commander is telling him to surrender in a Creepy Monotone. There's a brain on wheels coming over the hill, and a frigging flying saucer overhead. Yuri's not just a good strategist, he's trying to invoke the benefits of Nightmare Fuel.
  • In the final missions or GDI and Nod in Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun: Firestorm, I questioned why CABAL would leave the relay nodes for his Firestorm walls outside of his infinite barrier of protection, where his ultimate weapon, the Core Defender, can't reach you. Then it hit me. The Defender is a caged beast.
  • In the Tiberium Wars Nod Campaign, when Kane orders the player to capture Killian Quatar, he mentions "and [her sins] are legion. Cut to Kane's Wrath, where you learn that the assualt on Temple Prime, Killian's most obvious "crime" really was being commanded by LEGION.
  • In the map from the first Allied mission in Red Alert 3, it is shown that the Netherlands is the only Allied country in mainland Europe. In the final mission of the Imperial campaign it is explained why: Amsterdam is the HQ of Future Tech.
  • There seems to be a pattern in the Red Alert series regarding the Allied Power's most dominant nation. In the first, it's Germany and Greece. In the second, it's the United States. And in the third, it's the United Kingdom. All of these nations (minus Greece in Red Alert 2 and the United States in Red Alert 1) are playable in the Skirmish Mode. One could guess that the dominant power in Red Alert 4 could be France!

Fridge Logic:

  • So in Red Alert 3, the elimination of Einstein has also prevented the development of nuclear weapons. However, there are now three people on the Soviet side with knowledge of nuclear weapons: Premier Cherdenko, General Krukov, and Dr. Zelinsky. Krukov would probably not know the details, but Cherdenko might, and Zelinsky should know enough that the Soviets could easily build a working nuclear program. So why don't they?
    • They don't have time to start a nuclear program from scratch. They're only 3 people, with at best fragmentary knowledge about the construction of nuclear weapons, and when they get back with the time machine the Japanese invasions had already began.
    • They do eventually, they try and deploy them from Cuba late in the allied campaign,
  • Kane says the first wars he waged against GDI were done with intent of weakening them rather than defeating, but GDI going from a joint armed task force to replacing the UN seems to make it seem like they had the opposite effect.
    • Perhaps that is a weakened GDI. Makes you wonder how strong they might be if Kane hadn't shown up. OR perhaps they were mearly to give Echo: Black Ops 9 the kick in the pants it needed to start becoming GDI. Kane was shown to be playing the long game.

Fridge Horror:

  • While Red Alert plays most everything for laughs, when looks at how the USSR and Imperialist Japan treated people they conquered, and how background material for Soviet units in Red Alert 3 indicates them crossing the Moral Event Horizon more than once, them wining in their campaigns would plunge the world into a cruel age of oppression and death, especially if the Empire of the Rising Sun won.
  • Hitler, Hitler's removal from the timeline led to the rise of Kane. Guess who killed Kane for good and made sure anything related to was exterminated? The Holocaust was also designed to eliminate anything by the Messiah...He was successful.
  • Through much of the campaign of Red Alert, the civilian faction is neutral to the Allies and a target to the Soviets. With most of the campaigns taking place in central (Allied) or occupied east Europe, it can be readily accepted the Allies consider the civilians 'their' peoples or victims of Soviet domination, with the Soviet Union simply acting callous towards non-combatants. But from the outset of the Allied invasion of the Soviet Union, civilians become targetable. The 'good guys' are now targeting innocents whose only crime might be defending themselves from an invading army, while the Soviets seem to act more as defenders of the population. In a universe where the lessons of the Holocaust and World War 2 were never learned, where ethnic prejudice could still be alive and popular in a Europe ruled by a military junta. Does This Remind You of Anything??
  • C&C Red Alert: Einstein removes Hitler from the time-line, he does nothing about Mussolini who was fascist dictator of Italy by the start of the 1930's. Given that the Allies are a united group featuring the USA and Europe et al fighting the Soviet Union,that means the Allies were composed partially of Fascist forces. That's not even getting into what happens during the Spanish Civil war without the condor legions...(Does Franco's side still win, is Fascist Spain part of the Allies!?).
  • The Scrin campaign makes it clear what their original plan on Earth was the standard procedure for the harvesting operations, and while we don't learn much about them, one has to wonder how many other planets they wiped out in the harvests.


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