Dethroning Moment / Tabletop Gaming

Every Commissar ever

From Khornate Knights to general rage involving the fluff. Lets keep the crunch out and chew on the angry bits of rage.

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  • Blackjack254: The Introduction of 6:5 Blackjack (in which A Blackjack will only net you $12 on a $10 bet instead of $15). Back when it was first introduced in the early 2000s, it was only used on Single Deck games, where it's a little bit acceptable but now, some casinos in Las Vegas Have 6:5 Payouts entirely, regardless of deck count or minimum bet. apparently they don't know if people don't lose so quickly, they'll have more fun even if they do end up losing and will want to come back. The low house edge on standard 3:2 Blackjack is what makes it so appealing in the first place.
  • Shadow Revolution: Khornate Knights of Warhammer 40,000 is pretty much one of the major problems with the writing of Matt Ward, apparently the Grey Knights are not resistant enough towards corruption even though Word Of God states no Grey Knight can be corrupted. So why did they need the blood of surviving Sisters Of Battle anyway when the GKs have been proven to be resistant to the Warp?
    • Especially considering that some Sisters of Battle have been corrupted before!
  • Miri Ohki: Katherine Steiner-Davion was a frustrating enough character as it was. Much of her storylines were one Moral Event Horizon after another, starting with her assassinating her mother, and doing her best to kill or frame just about the entire rest of her family. So she's heinous. But that isn't the problem. She prosecutes a seven year long Civil War and commits a multitude of crimes, not only against FedCom citizens, but killing the daughter of the ruler of an uninvolved nation, just because she was dating Katherine's brother and the leader of the enemy forces. She finally loses the battle and is arrested. You would think there would be people lining up to lynch her throughout three fifths of the Inner Sphere. Then suddenly, Vlad Ward of the crusader Wolves swoops in, and rattles his saber, saying that if they didn't surrender Katherine to him, the Wolves would invade. It was mostly a bluff but nobody even considered trying to call him on it. Now to be fair, he didn't come in quite as a Giant Space Flea Out Of Nowhere, as he had secret dealings with her that he wouldn't want to come out, but her Karma Houdini status is especially frustrating. It also leads to a later DMOS that calls out some serious Fridge Logic. One of the biggest issues she had in consolidating power in the Federated Commonwealth (Eventually leading her to have the Lyran half secede) is that the FedCom constitution required the First Prince (gender-neutral title in this case) to have military service. Katherine had nothing but contempt for the military except as pawns for her to use, and her refusal of military service was her main disqualifier for legitimate rule in the Federated Commonwealth. The Fridge Logic fuelling her second DMOS is that she was a prisoner of the Clans. A military society. The only way she could ever advance to power among them was to prove herself a worthy warrior, and fight her way up the ranks. So you'd think she'd be neutralized. Right? No. Somehow, she managed to completely delete all of her characterization in order to allow her to continue to not only function in Clan society, but allowed her to have a child, from both her and her brother's stolen genes... the same brother she fought a seven year war against?
  • Mr Insecure: In-canon metaplots tend to devolve into flame wars and Broken Bases on a good day, but special mention must be given out to Samuel Haight, all time king of template-stacking bullcrap and authorial favoritism. While he started with a fairly interesting premise- a mortal man from a clan of werewolves seeks out means to steal their power out of a combination of jealousy and spite- he quickly became a Creator's Pet as writers granted him more and more powers from different corners of the World of Darkness. By the time the writers realized how unpopular he was, he had already become one of the most powerful people in the setting, with the powers of werewolves, mages, kinfolk, and an independent ghoul, all at once. Fortunately, this problem was solved when he tried to take on a methuselah by himself, which resulted in him getting killed and subsequently soulforged into an ashtray.
    • The entire metaplot of Legend of the Five Rings can be considered an extended Dethroning Moment of Suck, for one very simple reason: the outcome of the metaplot for the RPG was determined by the outcome of the Legend of the Five Rings card game tournament that was held every year. Not only did this result in sudden (and often nonsensical) story shifts, but it opened the metaplot to manipulation attempts by the card game players, who either tried to promote their favorite clan or troll the fanbase. By the time 4th edition came out, the makers of the game wised up, and allowed the metaplot to be optional, rather than a mandatory part of the game experience.
    • yunatwilight: At least Samuel Haight didn't take down the entire setting with him. Planescape starting building up a long "something is going horribly wrong with the whole multiverse" arc that worked on the high concept level but had wretchedly poor execution. The capper to the whole thing, though — and the final product in the Planescape line — was Faction War, based on the premise that the city of Sigil descends into anarchy. The adventure itself is completely mundane, and the only evidence of any "war" in its story is that all the NPCs have "gone to ground" and can't be found. The metaplot concludes with an incomprehensible set piece — one the book sheepishly admits the players can't possibly understand without reading the module! As a final slap in the face, the Lady of Pain is apparently so pissed off by all of this that she dissolves the factions (and, in the process, Sigil's government) and boots most of the named NPCs out of Sigil, wrecking what made the setting interesting in the first place.
  • Icarael: If one had to name Magic The Gathering's nadir (in terms of design, anyway), it would have to be Homelands. While the flavor and World Building aspects of the set were well-done, and it introduced things like Legendaries and artifact creatures that are still in use today, it had a lot of things that brought it down in comparison to its successors. The set's power level was absurdly low, even by the time's standards; it introduced no new mechanics; had little synergy with itself; and had awkward design. If one were to take a lesson from it, as Mark Rosewater has, it's that Magic lives and dies by its mechanics.