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This *is* a man advocating xenocide. Frankly, colonialism is being deconstructed harder than atheism.
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* AuthorTract: The 'judgment' scene in ''Out of the Silent Planet'' forces secular-humanist Weston to attempt to justify his worldview to an angel that doesn't speak his language. He has to resort to the interpretive services of Ransom, who is hardly going to be sympathetic. Although it's definitely an amusing scene, it's also a cheap device to cloak Weston's opinions in LoadedWords and AppealToRidicule.
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* AuthorTract: The 'judgment' scene in ''Out of the Silent Planet'' forces secular-humanist Weston to attempt to justify his worldview to an angel that doesn't speak his language. He has to resort to the interpretive services of Ransom, who is hardly going to be sympathetic. can only convey his speech very simplistically. Although it's definitely an amusing scene, it's also a cheap device to cloak deconstruc Weston's opinions in LoadedWords opinions, and AppealToRidicule.not necessarily in a very fair way.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: ''Perelandra'' can get rather trippy at times...
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* ValuesResonance: When listing examples of all that is base and ignoble in the British spirit, Dimble mentions famous imperialist Cecil Rhodes in the same breath as Oliver Cromwell and Mordred. At the time, Rhodes was often celebrated as a visionary businessman, but today he is more likely to be condemned for his virulent racism and cruel exploitation of the places he subjected to British control.
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: ''Perelandra'' can get rather trippy at times...
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: ''Perelandra'' can get rather trippy at times...
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''That Hideous Strength'' addresses the issue of transhumanism and many of its implications. Its first printing was in 1945.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''That Hideous Strength'' addresses the issue of transhumanism and many of its implications. Its first printing was in 1945.
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* CompleteMonster: The Un-Man, who is heavily implied, if not outright stated to be Satan. He is a source of all evil, trying to corrupt Perelandra in order to lead it to destruction. While he isn't "working", he tortures all the he can get [[FateWorseThanDeath to the brink of death without killing.]]
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* StealthPun: The oblivious figurehead of the villainous N.I.C.E. is Horace Jules, a clear parody of H. G. Wells. Now, not only does his last name recall his contemporary SF author, Jules Verne, but if you pronounce "H. Jules" aloud, it sounds a fair bit like "H. Gee-wells."
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*** This wasn't just a debate between two people with equally valid points. It was literally the devil incarnate, trying to convince another world's Eve to sin and duplicate the fall of man, thereby wrecking another paradisal world ForTheEvulz. Ransom's task was to prevent this from happening by any means necessary.
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*** This wasn't just a debate between two people with equally valid points. It was literally the devil incarnate, trying to convince another world's Eve to sin disobey God and duplicate the fall of man, thereby wrecking another paradisal world ForTheEvulz. Ransom's task was to prevent this from happening by any means necessary.
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** You must also take into account that this was his last resort. He came to this conclusion only after being dragged through weeks of argument.
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*** This wasn't just a debate between two people with equally valid points. It was literally the devil incarnate, trying to convince another world's Eve to sin and duplicate the fall of man, thereby wrecking another paradisal world ForTheEvulz. Ransom's task was to prevent this from happening by any means necessary.
*** This was his last resort. He came to this conclusion only after being dragged through weeks ofargument.argument.
*** Ransom was physically and mentally exhausted because the Un-Man, being demon-possessed, did not need to sleep. He abused this by engaging Tinidrel when Ransom could no longer stay awake, or by deliberately keeping Ransom sleep-deprived, to the detriment of his mental health.
*** It required tremendous courage on Ransom's part. He was certain that physically battling the devil would mean his death. [[spoiler:Fortunately for him, the body the devil was inhabiting belonged to another out-of-shape professor.]]
*** This wasn't just a debate between two people with equally valid points. It was literally the devil incarnate, trying to convince another world's Eve to sin and duplicate the fall of man, thereby wrecking another paradisal world ForTheEvulz. Ransom's task was to prevent this from happening by any means necessary.
*** This was his last resort. He came to this conclusion only after being dragged through weeks of
*** Ransom was physically and mentally exhausted because the Un-Man, being demon-possessed, did not need to sleep. He abused this by engaging Tinidrel when Ransom could no longer stay awake, or by deliberately keeping Ransom sleep-deprived, to the detriment of his mental health.
*** It required tremendous courage on Ransom's part. He was certain that physically battling the devil would mean his death. [[spoiler:Fortunately for him, the body the devil was inhabiting belonged to another out-of-shape professor.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: You're in a theological debate. You find yourself losing the argument and fear that your audience might be swayed towards the opinions of your opponent. What do you do? If you're Ransom, you follow the advice of a "divine voice" and simply kill the bastard. The ''intended'' message is supposed to be an anti-appeasement one (the book was published in 1943): sometimes it's not enough to be right - some people can't be reasoned with, and for the good of all you have to use force. However, in the context of the story, it accidentally comes more across like, "If you're losing an argument, just beat the crap out of your opponent because you know you're right."
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* ValuesDissonance: You're in a theological debate. You find yourself losing the argument and fear that your audience might be swayed towards the opinions of your opponent. What do you do? If you're Ransom, you follow the advice of a "divine voice" and simply kill the bastard. The ''intended'' message is supposed to be an anti-appeasement one (the book was published in 1943): sometimes it's not enough to be right - some people can't be reasoned with, and for the good of all you have to use force. However, in the context of the story, story where his opponent is playing by the rules and technically isn't harming anyone (he's convincing them to do it themselves), it accidentally comes more across like, "If you're losing an argument, just beat the crap out of your opponent because you know you're right."
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: At the time the trilogy was first published, most aliens in SF stories were hostile savages intent on destroying humanity. For Lewis's aliens to be morally superior to man was a radical departure... which was widely adopted by later writers, somewhat diluting its impact today. Though, the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that his aliens still believe in a deity, [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions while most other sci-fi examples don't]].
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: At the time the trilogy was first published, most aliens in SF stories were hostile savages intent on destroying humanity. For Lewis's aliens to be morally superior to man was a radical departure... which was widely adopted by later writers, somewhat diluting its impact today. Though, Though the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that his aliens still believe in a deity, [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions while most other sci-fi examples don't]].
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: At the time the trilogy was first published, most aliens in SF stories were hostile savages intent on destroying humanity. For Lewis's aliens to be morally superior to man was a radical departure... which was widely adopted by later writers, somewhat diluting its impact today. Though, the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that nearly any other time aliens are morally superior, [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions they tend to not believe in any Deity]].
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: At the time the trilogy was first published, most aliens in SF stories were hostile savages intent on destroying humanity. For Lewis's aliens to be morally superior to man was a radical departure... which was widely adopted by later writers, somewhat diluting its impact today. Though, the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that nearly any other time his aliens are morally superior, still believe in a deity, [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions they tend to not believe in any Deity]].while most other sci-fi examples don't]].
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* ValuesDissonance: You're in a theological debate. You find yourself losing the argument and fear that your audience might be swayed towards the opinions of your opponent. What do you do? [[spoiler:If you're Ransom, you give up arguing the point and just kill the dirty satanic villain with your bare hands.]]
** Ransom himself thought that particular solution seemed crass, until he realized that his opponent was playing similarly dirty. The Un-man was using manipulative rhetoric to make his point, and was abusing the fact that he didn't need to sleep in order to physically wear down his opposition.
** It could also be considered ValuesResonance. After all, if you found out Satan was trying to make another Eden a CrapsackWorld/ CrapsaccharineWorld like ours, wouldn't ''you'' feel obligated to beat the ever-loving shit out of him?
** You must also take into account that A) Ransom's opponent was literally Satan. There was no possible meeting of the minds or compromise here. It was victory and life or defeat and death (of an entire world). And B) This was not his first solution, but his last. He came to this conclusion only after being dragged through weeks of argument. It also required tremendous courage. Ransom fully expected to die, as he was a mortal entering physical combat with a demon. [[spoiler: He quickly discovered, to his relief, that it was, physically, one middle-aged scholar against another. And Ransom was a trained boxer.]]
** Ransom himself thought that particular solution seemed crass, until he realized that his opponent was playing similarly dirty. The Un-man was using manipulative rhetoric to make his point, and was abusing the fact that he didn't need to sleep in order to physically wear down his opposition.
** It could also be considered ValuesResonance. After all, if you found out Satan was trying to make another Eden a CrapsackWorld/ CrapsaccharineWorld like ours, wouldn't ''you'' feel obligated to beat the ever-loving shit out of him?
** You must also take into account that A) Ransom's opponent was literally Satan. There was no possible meeting of the minds or compromise here. It was victory and life or defeat and death (of an entire world). And B) This was not his first solution, but his last. He came to this conclusion only after being dragged through weeks of argument. It also required tremendous courage. Ransom fully expected to die, as he was a mortal entering physical combat with a demon. [[spoiler: He quickly discovered, to his relief, that it was, physically, one middle-aged scholar against another. And Ransom was a trained boxer.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: You're in a theological debate. You find yourself losing the argument and fear that your audience might be swayed towards the opinions of your opponent. What do you do? [[spoiler:If If you're Ransom, you give up arguing follow the point advice of a "divine voice" and just simply kill the dirty satanic villain with bastard. The ''intended'' message is supposed to be an anti-appeasement one (the book was published in 1943): sometimes it's not enough to be right - some people can't be reasoned with, and for the good of all you have to use force. However, in the context of the story, it accidentally comes more across like, "If you're losing an argument, just beat the crap out of your bare hands.]]
** Ransom himself thought that particular solution seemed crass, until he realized that hisopponent was playing similarly dirty. The Un-man was using manipulative rhetoric to make his point, and was abusing the fact that he didn't need to sleep in order to physically wear down his opposition.
** It could also be considered ValuesResonance. After all, ifbecause you found out Satan was trying to make another Eden a CrapsackWorld/ CrapsaccharineWorld like ours, wouldn't ''you'' feel obligated to beat the ever-loving shit out of him?
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** You must also take into account thatA) Ransom's opponent this was literally Satan. There was no possible meeting of the minds or compromise here. It was victory and life or defeat and death (of an entire world). And B) This was not his first solution, but his last.last resort. He came to this conclusion only after being dragged through weeks of argument. It also required tremendous courage. Ransom fully expected to die, as he was a mortal entering physical combat with a demon. [[spoiler: He quickly discovered, to his relief, that it was, physically, one middle-aged scholar against another. And Ransom was a trained boxer.]]
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** It could also be considered ValuesResonance. After all, if
** You must also take into account that
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** The battle with the Unman and the CrapsackWorld speech by Weston in ''{{Perelandra}}''.
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** The detailed description of the head and the creepy paintings in ''ThatHideousStrength''.''Literature/ThatHideousStrength''. Also Dr. Frost's POV segments.
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** The Un-man, aka the Bent One and {{Satan}}. It is a being so evil that even to look at its face can cause an unprepared human to pass out, and while it is a highly intelligent [[ManipulativeBastard tempter]] with [[TheChessmaster solar system spanning plans]], it derives at least as much pleasure from torturing animal life to death.
** The transhumanist psychologist, Dr. Frost, in ''That Hideous Strength''.
** The Un-man, aka the Bent One and {{Satan}}. It is a being so evil that even to look at its face can cause an unprepared human to pass out, and while it is a highly intelligent [[ManipulativeBastard tempter]] with [[TheChessmaster solar system spanning plans]], it derives at least as much pleasure from torturing animal life to death.
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** Also in ''Perelandra'' pretty much the entire underground section can be incredibly creepy. Not ''just'' because most of it takes place in total darkness, but because there are ''lots'' of hints that all sorts of bizarre persons and places exist down there and the reader only sees enough of them to hint at it. And what little we see is hinted to be not necessarily ''evil'' but so ''foreign'' to human experience that it's incomprehensible.
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** Also in ''Perelandra'' pretty much the entire underground section can be incredibly creepy. Not ''just'' because most of it takes place in total darkness, but because there are ''lots'' of hints that all sorts of bizarre persons and places exist down there and the reader only sees enough of them to hint at it. And what little we see is hinted to be not necessarily ''evil'' bot so ''foreign'' to human experience that it's incomprehensible.
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** Also in ''Perelandra'' pretty much the entire underground section can be incredibly creepy. Not ''just'' because most of it takes place in total darkness, but because there are ''lots'' of hints that all sorts of bizarre persons and places exist down there and the reader only sees enough of them to hint at it. And what little we see is hinted to be not necessarily ''evil'' bot but so ''foreign'' to human experience that it's incomprehensible.
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--> If I told you that a Christian novelist wrote a book about [[AdamAndEvePlot Adam and Eve]] [[InSpace in space]], and that after the plot is resolved he devotes a whole chapter to the characters having a church service where they praise {{God}}, many of you would vomit. If I told you the chapter where they sang praises was the best chapter, you might be polite, but in your heart you’d question my literary judgment. [[TropesAreNotBad But it’s the truth.]]
--> If I told you that a Christian novelist wrote a book about [[AdamAndEvePlot Adam and Eve]] [[InSpace in space]], and that after the plot is resolved he devotes a whole chapter to the characters having a church service where they praise {{God}}, many of you would vomit. If I told you the chapter where they sang praises was the best chapter, you might be polite, but in your heart you’d question my literary judgment. [[TropesAreNotBad But it’s the truth.]]
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* BetterThanItSounds: In the words of Christian theologian [[http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scriptorium/2013/12/the-praise-of-perelandra/ Fred Sanders]]:
--> If I told you that a Christian novelist wrote a book about [[AdamAndEvePlot Adam and Eve]] [[InSpace in space]], and that after the plot is resolved he devotes a whole chapter to the characters having a church service where they praise {{God}}, many of you would vomit. If I told you the chapter where they sang praises was the best chapter, you might be polite, but in your heart you’d question my literary judgment. [[TropesAreNotBad But it’s the truth.]]
--> If I told you that a Christian novelist wrote a book about [[AdamAndEvePlot Adam and Eve]] [[InSpace in space]], and that after the plot is resolved he devotes a whole chapter to the characters having a church service where they praise {{God}}, many of you would vomit. If I told you the chapter where they sang praises was the best chapter, you might be polite, but in your heart you’d question my literary judgment. [[TropesAreNotBad But it’s the truth.]]
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: At the time the trilogy was first published, most aliens in SF stories were hostile savages intent on destroying humanity. For Lewis's aliens to be morally superior to man was a radical departure... which, of course, was widely adopted by later writers, somewhat diluting its impact today.
** Of course, though, the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that nearly any other time aliens are morally superior, [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions they tend to not believe in any Deity]].
** Of course, though, the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that nearly any other time aliens are morally superior, [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions they tend to not believe in any Deity]].
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** Of course, though,today. Though, the thing that remains the most original with Lewis' premise is that nearly any other time aliens are morally superior, [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions they tend to not believe in any Deity]].
** Of course, though,
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** The Un-man, aka the Bent One and {{Satan}}. It is a being so evil that even to look at its face can cause an unprepared human to pass out, and while it is a highly intelligent [[ManipulativeBastard tempter]] with [[TheChessmaster solar system spanning plans]], it derives at least as much pleasure from torturing animal life todeath.death.
** The transhumanist psychologist, Dr. Frost, in ''That Hideous Strength''.
** The Un-man, aka the Bent One and {{Satan}}. It is a being so evil that even to look at its face can cause an unprepared human to pass out, and while it is a highly intelligent [[ManipulativeBastard tempter]] with [[TheChessmaster solar system spanning plans]], it derives at least as much pleasure from torturing animal life to
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** You must also take into account that A) Ransom's opponent was literally Satan. There was no possible meeting of the minds or compromise here. It was victory and life or defeat and death (of an entire world). And B) This was not his first solution, but his last. He came to this conclusion only after being dragged through weeks of argument. It also required tremendous courage. Ransom fully expected to die, as he was a mortal entering physical combat with a demon. [[spoiler: He quickly discovered, to his relief, that it was, physically, one middle-aged scholar against another. And Ransom was a trained boxer.]]
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