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*** To a slightly greater extent, Dialga and Palkia. Although all box legendaries are popular overall, the creation duo seems to have fewer devoted fans because they just plain look ''weird'' compared to the others.


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** Even SeriesMascot Pikachu is not immune. Outside of its intended demographic of young children, it has a huge number of fans who love the thing to death, but also [[{{PeripheryHatedom}} has a legion of haters]] who criticize its [[{{TheWesley}} overexposure]] and [[{{TastesLikeDiabetes}} saccharine cuteness]]. A recent IGN Pokémon popularity poll placed Pikachu in a surprising ''48th place'' out of all creatures in the series (to be fair, IGN's demographic consists mostly of young adult male gamers).
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* {{Badass}}: Blaziken, Metagross, Groudon... too many to name.

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*** And Magmortar is '''Boo''b'''urn''. Ouch.



* Badass: Blaziken, Metagross, Groudon... too many to name.

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* Badass: {{Badass}}: Blaziken, Metagross, Groudon... too many to name.
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* Badass: Blaziken, Metagross, Groudon... too many to name.
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** Yanmega's Japanese name, Megayanma, [[ScunthorpeProblem made plenty of censor filters jump]].

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** Yanmega's Japanese name, Megayanma, [[ScunthorpeProblem made plenty of censor filters jump]].jump]], along with Cofagrigus.

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** Pidgeot also got Tailwind, which gave it brief notability until it was made available for a lot more Flying Pokémon in [=HeartGold=] and [=SoulSilver=].



** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: But said generic design ended up being seen as the defining trait for Bidoof and led to MemeticMutation.

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** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap But said generic design ended up being seen as the defining trait trait]] for Bidoof and led to MemeticMutation.


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** Eevee is often referred to as a girl, at least partially due to its name, as is anything it evolves into, despite seven-eighths of them being male. Glaceon is particularly feminine in appearance.
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** Despite no actual indication in game[[hottip:*:Seriously, there's no actual evidence to prove it, and many of the copy-pasted items that made it a meme often misquote the game or make up stuff whole cloth]] and having been ripped to shreds on many a forum, a small band of fans are still insistent that the Gen I rival's Raticate died. And that you killed it.
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** Magmar and especially Magby's Japanese names: Boober and Booby, respectively! 'Course, it was ''MEANT'' to reference birds like the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Footed_Booby Blue-Footed Booby]], but... [[FreudWasRight well...]]]

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** Magmar and especially Magby's Japanese names: Boober and Booby, respectively! 'Course, it was ''MEANT'' to reference birds like the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Footed_Booby Blue-Footed Booby]], but... [[FreudWasRight well...]]]]]
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*** Mewtwo now learns Psystrike, a special move that does physical damage. Chansey is no longer effective at walling him.

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**** Team Plasma grunt uniforms don't look terribly sensual, either, being full suits of armor. Then again, N is NotGoodWithPeople to an ''absurd'' degree and a major AdultChild. As for Ghetsis, he's [[CompleteMonster probably too busy]] [[KickTheDog introducing Lillipups to his shoes]] to ''care'' much about getting freaky.

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**** Team Plasma grunt uniforms don't look terribly sensual, either, being full suits of armor. Then again, N is NotGoodWithPeople to an ''absurd'' degree and a major AdultChild. As for Ghetsis, he's [[CompleteMonster probably too busy]] [[KickTheDog introducing Lillipups to his shoes]] playing Lillipup football of any stripe]] to ''care'' much about getting freaky.freaky.
*** Evice and Greevil are both old men who likely have ground their sex drives into dust (Greevil, having two sons, can actually claim this as an excuse). Cipher Peons are dressed head to toe in Stormtrooper armor, even their faces. It's not rocket science, people.
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** Magnemite and Magneton were this in the first generation, before they became easily-defeated dual-types. However, unlike their common representation in the card game, they've never been able to learn Selfdestruct/Explosion.
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*** Also, not everyone can even access them - for example, if you use WPA(and have no idea how to/are not allowed to change this), you're out of luck, since DS Wi-Fi only accepts WEP. Your only hope is to visit a friend that has it.
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* UnpleasableFanbase: [=GameFreak=] can't add any more than three water Pokémon per generation without the fanbase screaming "There's too much already!!" and "Why are there not enough Electric or Fire types?!?" And that's just one example.
** There are of course people who want Pokémon games to have more plot to them, as well as to be DarkerAndEdgier. Along come games like ''Colosseum'' and ''XD'', which have a rather DarkerAndEdgier plot, as well as spinoff titles like ''[[{{Ptitlenoddanat}} Pokémon Ranger]]'' which are more plot-driven, and what do they get criticised for? For not being like Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow.
*** The problem here seemed to be more with changing gameplay elements rather than more intricate plots. ''[[{{Ptitlenoddanat}} Pokémon Ranger]]'' had a ScrappyMechanic in its first iteration, and ''Colosseum'' and ''XD'' didn't allow for exploration between cities and special areas. [[{{Ptitlecm0ohq79}} Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] seems to be pretty well liked and had a pretty [[DarkerAndEdgier interesting]] storyline in its first game. Of course, there are definitely people who will argue whether or not Psychics were {{Nerf}}ed unfairly.
** Fan responses to Generation V have been mixed from AndTheFandomRejoiced to the typical HateDumb that every generation past the second has been subjected to, though it does tend to get less flak from them than the third or fourth.

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* YourMileageMayVary: Basically any time a new Pokémon is revealed. The base is usually split 50/50 about whether it looks good or not.
** This also applies in regards to which generation is best.

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* YourMileageMayVary: Basically any time a new Pokémon is revealed. The base is usually split 50/50 about whether it looks good or not.
** This also applies in regards to which generation is best.
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* ''[[YMMV/{{ptitle2xkjpouw}} The First Movie]]''

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* ''[[YMMV/{{ptitle2xkjpouw}} ''[[YMMV/PokemonTheFirstMovie The First Movie]]''

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** Yanmega's Japanese name, Megayanma, made plenty of censor filters jump.

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** Yanmega's Japanese name, Megayanma, [[ScunthorpeProblem made plenty of censor filters jump.jump]].



** Magmar and especially Magby's Japanese names: Boober and Booby, respectively! 'Course, it was MEANT to reference birds like the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Footed_Booby Blue-Footed Booby]], but...
* AdaptationDisplacement: Variation and played straight. ''[[{{Ptitled53fvupl}} Pokémon Special]]'' is far more well known than any other Pokémon manga, even in its native country [[NoExportForYou where most manga stay]], to the point where to many it's considered the official Pokémon manga. The [[Anime/{{ptitlei015gc004kw4}} anime]] is more well known than the games even to this day despite the games being one of {{Nintendo}} and Game Freak's biggest franchises and the second biggest gaming franchise '''ever'''.
* [[AmericansHateTingle Americans Hate Jynx]]

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** Magmar and especially Magby's Japanese names: Boober and Booby, respectively! 'Course, it was MEANT ''MEANT'' to reference birds like the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Footed_Booby Blue-Footed Booby]], but...
but... [[FreudWasRight well...]]]
* AdaptationDisplacement: Variation and played straight. ''[[{{Ptitled53fvupl}} Pokémon Special]]'' is far more well known well-known than any other Pokémon manga, even in its native country [[NoExportForYou ([[NoExportForYou where most manga stay]], stay]]), to the point where to many it's considered consider it to be the official Pokémon manga. The [[Anime/{{ptitlei015gc004kw4}} anime]] is more well known than the games even to this day day, despite the games being one of {{Nintendo}} and Game Freak's biggest franchises and the second biggest gaming franchise '''ever'''.
* [[AmericansHateTingle Americans Hate Jynx]]Jynx]]: Looking like a parody of [[UnfortunateImplications black]][[OnceAcceptableTargets face]] acting will do that.



*** What the **** is ''up'' with the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWVbrjVqkBo Tao trio battle theme?!?!?]] Compared to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdmQGeX1NNc previous]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mv8AxBTlJ0 mascot]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db1XootTkRQ&feature=related legendary]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vdXjkWkAg8&feature=related battle]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIt0_zg-NIk&feature=related themes]], it just sounds ''ridiculous''.
* CharacterTiers: A heavily present feature in the metagame, and kind of necessary given that for all of Game Freak's tweaks and additions some Pokémon still clearly have it better than others. [[http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/ Most communities make an effort to organize the tiers thoughtfully at least.]]

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*** What the **** is ''up'' with the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWVbrjVqkBo Tao trio battle theme?!?!?]] Compared to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdmQGeX1NNc previous]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mv8AxBTlJ0 mascot]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db1XootTkRQ&feature=related legendary]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vdXjkWkAg8&feature=related battle]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIt0_zg-NIk&feature=related themes]], it just sounds ''ridiculous''.
''ridiculous''. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5lZrDOmq9U At least it'll grow on you]] [[EarWorm after a while.]]
* BrokenBase:
** The fanbase is hugely divided over which generation is best, and with every new addition to the series, RuinedFOREVER is in full effect.
** Even playing the games divides the fans. Either [[StopHavingFunGuys you play competitively and are "taking the game too seriously"]], or [[{{Scrub}} you play for fun and "can't understand the subtle mathematics of the game"]].
** Believe it or not, on places like DeviantArt and YouTube, the fanbase is extremely divided over whether [[Anime/{{Ptitlei015gc004kw4}} the anime]] or [[{{Ptitled53fvupl}} the manga]] is the better series based off of the games.
* CharacterTiers: A heavily present feature in the metagame, and kind of necessary necessary, given that for all of Game Freak's tweaks and additions additions, some Pokémon still clearly have it better than others. [[http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/ Most communities make an effort to organize the tiers thoughtfully thoughtfully, at least.]]



* BrokenBase:
** The fanbase is hugely divided over which generation is best, and with every new addition to the series, RuinedFOREVER is in full effect.
** Even playing the games divides the fans. Either you play competitively and are "taking the game too seriously", or you play for fun and "can't understand the subtle mathematics of the game".
** Believe it or not, on places like DeviantArt and YouTube, the fanbase is extremely divided over whether [[Anime/{{Ptitlei015gc004kw4}} the anime]] or [[{{Ptitled53fvupl}} the manga]] is the better series based off of the games.



* DemonicSpiders: Watchog.

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* DemonicSpiders: Watchog. The entire genus is a walking middle finger to Nuzlockers.



*** AndTheFandomRejoiced: In Gen IV, fan-favorite Blaziken was outclassed competitively by newcomer Infernape in both [[strike:power]] speed and versatility. Come Gen V, Blaziken's Dream World ability, Speed Boost, and a large damage buff to the previously spoony Hi Jump Kick attack, allowed it to surpass Infernape in physical offense capabilities.

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*** AndTheFandomRejoiced: In Gen IV, fan-favorite Blaziken was outclassed competitively by newcomer Infernape in both [[strike:power]] speed and versatility. Come Gen V, Blaziken's Dream World ability, Speed Boost, and a large damage buff to the previously spoony Hi Jump Kick attack, allowed it and it's able to ''easily'' surpass Infernape in physical offense capabilities.



** Snivy family.
** Genesect.

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** Snivy family.
family. Also known as "Smugleaf".
** Genesect. See CrazyAwesome above.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Pick almost any Pokémon in the whole series and you'll find that it has its share of devoted fans. Although some, such as Charizard, Pikachu, Lucario and [[{{OlympusMons}} whatever the super powerful legendary of the day is]] immediately come to mind. MemeticMutation also creates quite a few darkhorses, such as Mudkip and "Smugleaf".

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Pick almost any Pokémon in the whole series and you'll find that it has its share of devoted fans. Although some, such as Charizard, Pikachu, Lucario Lucario, and [[{{OlympusMons}} whatever the super powerful legendary of the day is]] immediately come to mind. MemeticMutation also creates quite a few darkhorses, such as Mudkip and "Smugleaf".



*** This troper thought he looked like Groucho Marx. [[DidNotDoTheResearch Oh wait, Groucho WAS jewish.]]

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*** This troper thought he looked like Groucho Marx. [[DidNotDoTheResearch Oh wait, Groucho WAS jewish.Jewish.]]



** The point is raised frequently why the main villains only ever are armed with Pokemon, as opposed to, say, guns. Consider that, in a world where deadly beasts have been domesticated for millennia, firearms may never have actually ''been'' developed.

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** The point is raised frequently why the main villains are only ever are armed with Pokemon, as opposed to, say, guns. Consider that, in a world where deadly beasts have been domesticated for millennia, firearms may never have actually ''been'' developed.



** Reshiram and Zekrom are rapidly shaping up to be this in their own right (Kyurem, however, seems to be held back by its typing.) Reshiram in particular teams up with Groudon in much the same way that Palkia teams up with Kyogre (read: the opposing team gets nuked to oblivion.) Meanwhile, Zekrom takes advantage of its physically-biased stats (and Electric-type STAB) to rip the specially-oriented Ubers metagame a new @$$hole.



** Geodude share a habitat with Zubat. And their tendency to explode in your face is not welcome.
** Hoohoot are ''everywhere'' at night, there are even places where they are the only things present.

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** Geodude share a habitat with Zubat. And their tendency to explode in your face is not ''not'' welcome.
** Hoohoot are ''everywhere'' at night, night; there are even places where they are the only ''only'' things present.



** Bibarel.

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** Bibarel. "Bibarel used Super Fang! Bibarel used Superpower!"



** Mamanbou looks like an evolution to Luvdisc. Mamanbou is not the evolution of Luvdisc. Luvdisc remains a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]].

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** Mamanbou Alomomola/Mamanbou looks like an evolution to Luvdisc. Mamanbou is not the evolution of Luvdisc. Luvdisc remains a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]].



** "Gyarados' Intimidate cuts X's Attack!"

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** "Gyarados' "Gyarados's Intimidate cuts X's Attack!"



** Double Team increases the user's evasion rate, and can be used repeatedly. There was no way to counter its effect in the first generation (aside from an AlwaysAccurateAttack), and just about every Pokémon can be taught the move from a TM. Even in later generations, skills that reduce evasion or increase accuracy are in short supply.

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** Double Team increases the user's evasion rate, and can be used repeatedly. There was no way to counter its effect in the first generation (aside from an AlwaysAccurateAttack), and just about every Pokémon can be taught the move from a TM. Even in later generations, skills that reduce evasion or increase accuracy are in short supply. Competitive players actually ''ban'' Double Team for this very reason.



*** Actually in HGSS, you don't have to accept it (It still makes an [[MostAnnoyingSound annoying sound]] and if you have to open the Pokégear, you will have to listen to it).

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*** Actually Actually, in HGSS, you don't have to accept it (It (though it still makes an [[MostAnnoyingSound annoying sound]] sound]], and if you have to open the Pokégear, you will ''will'' have to listen to it).



*** Even with the Wi-Fi events, there's still a scrappiness to it since they only happen for a certain amount of time before being LostForever. If you were unable to get the Pokémon/item being given away (maybe due to not having the game at the time), you're out of luck since they only gave away most things (Secret Key, Member's Card, Oak's Letter) once.

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*** Even with the Wi-Fi events, there's still a scrappiness to it since they only happen for a certain amount of time before being LostForever. If you were unable to get the Pokémon/item being given away (maybe due to not having the game at the time), you're out of luck luck, since they only gave away most things (Secret Key, Member's Card, Oak's Letter) once.



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* StopHavingFunGuys: Some [[TournamentPlay competitive players]] mock people who play with their favorite monsters and insist that the series [[SeriousBusiness isn't for kids.]]
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*** This troper just thought they look like Mario...

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Not what Alas Poor Scrappy means. Especially when Pikachu is an entire species which never lived there. Also not what Scrappy Mechanic means. Fridge Logic belongs in the plethora of Just Bugs Me subsections.


*** AlasPoorScrappy: Nowhere near as drastic as conventional examples, but one can imagine that many fans, regardless of former opinion, are lamenting Pikachu's complete absence from ''[=~Pokémon Black And White~=]''.



* FridgeLogic:
** An egg-hatched Kangaskhan is always born alongside the baby in her pouch. Let that settle in for a moment...
*** [[RealityIsUnrealistic There are in fact animals whose females are born pregnant.]]
** Shouldn't the spikes around Jolteon's neck cut into its front legs as it runs?
** Cubone is said to wear the skull of its dead mother. That means for every Cubone born, one dies, which should have driven the species to extinction a long time ago. A way out of this would be for them to have multiple babies at a time, but where would they get skulls?
*** [[WildMassGuessing Well they could be born in sets of two,]] [[FridgeBrilliance one takes the mother's skull and it's sibling takes the skull the mother was wearing.]]



** YourMileageMayVary, but it's suggested that you check which Pokémon (usually legendaries) are not allowed in competitive battling circles before entering a battle.

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** YourMileageMayVary, but it's It's suggested that you check which Pokémon (usually legendaries) are not allowed in competitive battling circles before entering a battle.



** ScrappyMechanic: "A wild Zubat appeared!" "A wild Zubat appeared!" "A wild Zubat appeared!" "A wild Zubat appeared!" "A wild Zubat appeared!" "A wild Zubat appeared!" "A wild Zubat appeared!" "A wild Zubat appeared!" [[OverlyLongGag "A wild Zubat appeared!"]]


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* ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked: Happens with the FanDumb. There are [[{{Understatement}} some people]] who claim that Generation I had the best gameplay in the series, despite how it had more bugs than Viridian Forest and its gameplay was far from balanced. Remember when [[GameBreaker Psychic and Ice types]] curbstomped everyone because their weaknesses were either broken or uncommon? Yeah... when they were rebalanced and glitches removed, people came up and said they liked the bugs and imbalances ''better'', since it's apparently no fun to play the game without exploiting bugs.
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**** Team Plasma grunt uniforms don't look terribly sensual, either, being full suits of armor. Then again, N is NotGoodWithPeople to an ''absurd'' degree. As for Ghetsis, he's [[CompleteMonster probably too busy]] [[KickTheDog introducing Lillipups to his shoes]] to ''care'' much about getting freaky.

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**** Team Plasma grunt uniforms don't look terribly sensual, either, being full suits of armor. Then again, N is NotGoodWithPeople to an ''absurd'' degree.degree and a major AdultChild. As for Ghetsis, he's [[CompleteMonster probably too busy]] [[KickTheDog introducing Lillipups to his shoes]] to ''care'' much about getting freaky.
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* ''YMMV/TabletopGames/PokemonTradingGame''

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* ''YMMV/TabletopGames/Ptitlei015gc004kw4''

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* * SidetrackedByTheGoldSaucer:

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*** This troper thought he looked like Groucho Marx. [[DidNotDoTheResearch Oh wait, Groucho WAS jewish.]]
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** [[http://www.awkwardzombie.com/comic1-040510.php The Game Corners]].
** Pokémon Contests and the Pokéathelon have this effect as well. Since both pull different kinds of stats from the Pokémon and have different methods of gameplay than the usual battle, you can easily find yourself partaking in them for hours once you get the hang of it.
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*** [[http://www.awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=030711 This]] comic from ''AwkwardZombie'' reveals exactly how Doduo are able to fly.
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** Magmar and especially Magby's Japanese names: Boober and Booby, respectively! 'Course, it was MEANT to reference birds like the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Footed_Booby Blue-Footed Booby]], but...
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* PeripheryDemographic: Outside its obvious target demographic, it is also quite popular with young adults that grew up in [[TheNineties the late 90s]] when the series was introduced.

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* PeripheryDemographic: Outside its obvious target demographic, it is also quite popular with young adults that grew up were kids in [[TheNineties the late 90s]] when the series was introduced.
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* PeripheryDemographic: Outside its obvious target demographic, it is also quite popular with young adults that grew up in [[TheNineties the late 90s]] when the series was introduced.

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