History YMMV / BatenKaitos

* MemeticBadass: Mizuti. [[InsistentTerminology The GREAT Mizuti]]

* CompleteMonster:
** Original game: [[TheManBehindTheMan Wiseman]] is a raging psychopath, with a purely sadistic edge and a LackOfEmpathy for all living beings. Wiseman, a millennium before the series began, began to believe existence of the body was flawed. He fell to evil and began devouring the energy of his followers before embarking on a war of conquest that look the lives of men, women and children. To spite a group of heroes who stood against him, Wiseman killed near everyone in their hometown, and left only two survivors. He attempted to convert the world to energy and absorb it within himself. Despite failing, Wiseman was not destroyed and possessed the [[EvilAllAlong willing Verus]], influencing all of the latter's atrocities, causing mass death and the torture of his former lover. When forced to reveal himself, Wiseman declares his intents to devour the heroes' hearts and rule over their world for eternity.
** ''Origins'': [[AbusiveParents Quaestor Verus]] himself, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to become the Emperor by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he uses a just born baby Sagi--whom he may have [[ChildByRape fathered through rape]]--in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings. During the game, he orders Shanath--no angel himself--to take Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech, just to smear the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as Baelheit is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, Quaestor Verus shows up, murders him, and starts [[EvilGloating gloating]] about all his deeds.

** The PostFinalBoss of ''Eternal Wings''; despite having a mountain of HP, he has weaker attacks than most regular enemies and no defensive capacities whatsoever. And if you know the OneHitKill trick ([[spoiler:use a Spirit Attack magnus]]), [[ZeroEffortBoss well]]!

** The last levels have several that fit the bill, but the most dangerous one is ''by far'' [[OurDragonsAreDifferent the Hercules Dragon]]. Remember those powerful [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon]] enemies you fought in [[spoiler:the Battlefields of Atria]]? Well, these guys are [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot super cyborg versions]] of those! They retain the party-wide normal attack, get the ability to [[StatusBuff pump up]] their already high attack and defensive power, get the ability to heal themselves, have a ton of health and also get an extremely strong WaveMotionGun special. Normal encounters with these guys are often solo-encounters, and for good reason: a single one can utterly ''ruin'' your day if you're unlucky or aren't careful enough around them. Thankfully, they always appear asleep in the field, so if you tiptoe around them, you can safely avert their encounters...which means you have to deal with the ''other'' {{Demonic Spider}}s nearby, who'll rejoice at the chance to jump you because you don't want to fight that Hercules Dragon. Good thing Hercules Dragons are ''never'' paired with Machina Auto-Turrets, or the insanity would know no bounds. '''BUT.'''

** [[TheManBehindTheMan Wiseman]] from the original game is a raging psychopath, with a purely sadistic edge and a LackOfEmpathy for all living beings. Wiseman, a millennium before the series began, began to believe existence of the body was flawed. He fell to evil and began devouring the energy of his followers before embarking on a war of conquest that look the lives of men, women and children. To spite a group of heroes who stood against him, Wiseman killed near everyone in their hometown, and left only two survivors. He attempted to convert the world to energy and absorb it within himself. [[spoiler:Despite failing, Wiseman was not destroyed and possessed the [[EvilAllAlong willing Verus]], influencing all of the latter's atrocities, causing mass death and the torture of his former lover. When forced to reveal himself, Wiseman declares his intents to devour the heroes' hearts and rule over their world for eternity.]]
** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'': [[spoiler:[[AbusiveParents Quaestor Verus]] himself, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to become the Emperor by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he uses a just born baby Sagi--whom he may have [[ChildByRape fathered through rape]]--in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings. During the game, he orders Shanath--no angel himself--to take Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech, just to smear the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as Baelheit is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, Quaestor Verus shows up, murders him, and starts [[EvilGloating gloating]] about all his deeds.]]

** Fadroh's Orb of Magical Offense. It turns a rather tame fight into a CurbStompBattle...in which ''you'' are in the receiving end of. Worse, ''it's use is completely random.'' It's a LuckBasedMission: Either he doesn't use it and you kick his ass, or he uses it and obliterates yours. If he uses it early on in the fight, you might as well restart.

%%** [[LuckBasedMission Fadroh]]. (How is it a luck-based mission?)

** If [[spoiler:Verus]] didn't cross it by [[spoiler:killing Baelheit]], he sure as hell does so when he [[spoiler:retroactively claims responsibility for the above-mentioned event. And reveals he was behind Sagi being a part of the malideiter project. And to cap it off, calls Gena a whore. '''''[[BerserkButton Oh no you didn't.]]''''']]

** [[spoiler:After TheReveal, [[CompleteMonster Verus]] becomes an extremely scary person. With that NightmareFace portrait, the things he talks about, and his general plans, it would seem bad enough, but it isn't. Check the room he supposedly used to "confide with his Guardian Spirit" for [[TortureCellar an extremely unexpected, but fitting, surprise.]]]]

** Admit it. If Guillo wasn't on your side, that thing would be an incredibly scary adversary.

* ThatOneBoss: [[LuckBasedMission Fadroh]].

* AntiClimaxBoss: The PostFinalBoss of ''Eternal Wings''; despite having a mountain of HP, he has weaker attacks than most regular enemies and no defensive capacities whatsoever. And if you know the OneHitKill trick ([[spoiler:use a Spirit Attack magnus]]), [[ZeroEffortBoss well]]!

* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/BatenKaitos Lots]]. Considered Creator/MotoiSakuraba's best works, and for good reason. Even people who hate the games admit the soundtracks are fantastic.
* BrokenBase: Surrounding Xelha. There are those who like her, those that don't mind her, and [[TheScrappy those that despise her]].

* CultClassic: This game is the very definition of one. Not many people know about it, but go to any Website/YouTube vid about one of the many [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Crowning Songs Of Awesome]] or ask [[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=387226 a fan]], and you'll see a very enthusiastic response.
* DemonicSpiders: There's a bunch in ''Origins'', but Machina Auto-Turrets take the cake. Fast, resilient, powerful, and that Fusillade special is devastating. Enjoy losing over an hour's progress through [[ThatOneLevel Tarazed]] every time you run into one of these.

* EnsembleDarkhorse: Palolo II.
** The Great Mizuti for a less obscure example.

* FashionVictimVillain: Geldoblame.

* FridgeBrilliance: Lyude's voice acting is noticeably even ''more'' wooden than the rest of the first game's cast. This actually makes sense when it is revealed he is 1. Homeschooled 2. did not socialize with his siblings or peers.
** Why the whole Guardian Spirit thing when in the first game it never really comes into play plot-wise? [[spoiler: So that the point of view of the narrative isn't on Kalas, thus better hiding that he was EvilAllAlong.]]
* GameBreaker: The Apotheosis and Frigid Queen's Festival combos in ''Origins'' border on this. Their incredible damage is offset by the difficulty of effectively assembling the combos without getting the party wiped, as it usually means a few turns either discarding useless cards or attacking sparsely to build up MP. Mind you, this is ''without'' factoring in the many possible ways you can chain this up with Relay attacks. In fact, with enough setup and with a good enough relationship with Sagi, the Guardian Spirit can stack the deck enough that on an MP Burst, you may end up chaining one of said {{Game Breaker}}s ''[[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill into the other one]].'' We guarantee that ''nothing'' in the game will survive it[[note]] Except [[spoiler:Verus]], but only if you do it while they're protected[[/note]], but for added hilarity and overkill, make sure to equip each character's respective InfinityPlusOneSword beforehand to further increase the damage you deal. When the dust settles--well, that dust WAS your opponent, a few seconds ago.

* GoddamnedBoss: Wiseman, who steals your HP and MP with his basic attacks and uses it to spam his specials, one of which breaks any Magnus you have equipped and knocks the whole party down.

* IronWoobie: [[spoiler:Ayme]], [[spoiler:Folon]]

* MemeticBadass: Mizuti.
** [[InsistentTerminology The GREAT Mizuti]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Shinath leaps over it when [[spoiler: he kidnaps main character Sagi's beloved mother and orders his men to "Tear this heathen woman's wings off!" And he does it right in front of Sagi, specifically to torment him.]]

** There are many people who outright ''hate'' Xelha for [[SpotlightStealingSquad stealing the spotlight]] for a sizeable chunk of the game, having one of the game's most grating voices (and more lines than ''anyone'' else), geting hit with a DistressBall, and wearing an eye-searing pink outfit. Oh, and also [[spoiler:her half-assed DisneyDeath scene]].

** ''Eternal Wings'' also had an irritating level up system, requiring you to visit a blue flower and talk to a priest to gain your hard-earned levels.
*** Which can also render the game {{Unwinnable}} at one point if you're underleveled enough, thanks to the game trapping you on an airship with a red flower (which only lets you save) and one of the hardest boss fights in the game.

* ThatOneLevel: The Tower of Zosma in the first game, Tarazed in the second. Zosma Tower had irritating block puzzles that had to be completed in a certain amount of time, Tarazed featured mazes of identical corridors and four aggravating puzzle/maze rooms.

* ThatOneSidequest: The [[ShoutOut Pac-Man]] sidequest in Origins, which takes an utterly insane amount of time to complete. It seriously takes longer to complete this one sidequest than it does to do everything else in the entire game combined.
** Requires a minimum of two playthroughs to do. Also, have fun spotting every single potential {{Permanently Missable|Content}} quest magnus, cause you need to feed Pac-Man 147 to finish the sidequest.

* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Sir Rambari, the badass leader of the Diadem Knights who takes a sword to the chest to save King Ladekhan]].

* UncannyValley: The shopkeepers, all of whom have one facial expression that they always maintain. It's much creepier than it sounds. Also, in ''Origins'', some of them have badly-implemented JigglePhysics, which leads to big FetishRetardant.

** [[TheManBehindTheMan Wiseman]] from the original game is a raging psychopath, with a purely sadistic edge and a LackOfEmpathy for all living beings. Wiseman, a millennium before the series began, began to believe existence of the body was flawed. He fell to evil and began devouring the energy of his followers before embarking on a war of conquest that look the lives of men, women and children. To spite a group of heroes who stood against him, Wiseman killed near everyone in their hometown, and left only two survivors. He attempted to convert the world to energy and absorb it within himself. Despite failing, Wiseman was not destroyed and possessed the [[EvilAllAlong willing Verus]], influencing all of the latter's atrocities, causing mass death and the torture of his former lover. When forced to reveal himself, Wiseman declares his intents to devour the heroes' hearts and rule over their world for eternity.
** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'': [[AbusiveParents Quaestor Verus]] himself, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to become the Emperor by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi--whom he may have [[ChildByRape fathered through rape]]--in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath--no angel himself--to take Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech, just to smear the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as Baelheit is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, Quaestor Verus shows up, murders him, and starts [[EvilGloating gloating]] about all his deeds.

* DarthWiki/MostAnnoyingSound:
** Xelha, with CallingYourAttacks for ''Every single one of them''.
** 'Here! Take this! You need this! Use this!'
** 'This is about to hurt!'
*** 'Defense never was my cup of tea!'
** 'WHO SAID ''YOU'' SHOULD HELP?' And if you don't heal up fast enough, 'Time...for a rest...'

* MostAnnoyingSound: Xelha calling her attacks. ''Every single one of them''.

** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'': [[AbusiveParents Quaestor Verus]], while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to become the Emperor by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi--whom he may have [[ChildByRape fathered through rape]]--in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath--no angel himself--to take Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech, just to smear the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as Baelheit is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, Quaestor Verus shows up, murders him, and starts [[EvilGloating gloating]] about all his deeds.

** Wiseman from the second game is a raging psychopath, with a purely sadistic edge and a LackOfEmpathy for all living beings. Wiseman, a millennium before the series began, began to believe existence of the body was flawed. He fell to evil and began devouring the energy of his followers before embarking on a war of conquest that look the lives of men, women and children. To spite a group of heroes who stood against him, [[spoiler:Wiseman killed near everyone in their hometown, and left only two survivors. He attempted to convert the world to energy and absorb it within himself. Despite failing, Wiseman was not destroyed and [[GrandTheftMe possessed Verus]] and corrupted him. Wiseman manipulates all of Verus's atrocities, causing mass death and even torture of his former lover. When forced to reveal himself, Wiseman declares his intents to devour the heroes' hearts and rule over their world for eternity]].

** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' has [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]], who, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to [[spoiler:become the Emperor]] by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi (who is probably his illegitimate son) in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath (a ''massive'' {{Jerkass}} in his own right) to cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:taking Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech]]...just to smear on the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as [[spoiler:Baelheit]] is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] shows up, murders him, and starts '''gloating''' about all his deeds.

* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:'Tear this heathen woman's wings off!']]

** Requires a minimum of two playthroughs to do. Also, have fun spotting every single potential LostForever quest magnus, cause you need to feed Pac-Man 147 to finish the sidequest.

** There are many people who outright ''hate'' Xelha for [[SpotlightStealingSquad stealing the spotlight]] for a sizeable chunk of the game, being a borderline MarySue, having one of the game's most grating voices (and more lines than ''anyone'' else), geting hit with a DistressBall, and wearing an eye-searing pink outfit. Oh, and also [[spoiler:her half-assed DisneyDeath scene]].

* MostWonderfulSound: Any late-game finishers qualify as this.

* EnsembleDarkHorse: Palolo II.

** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' has [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]], who, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to [[spoiler:become the Emperor]] by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi (who is probably his illegitimate son) in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath (a ''massive'' JerkAss in his own right) to cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:taking Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech]]...just to smear on the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as [[spoiler:Baelheit]] is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] shows up, murders him, and starts '''gloating''' about all his deeds.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/BatenKaitos Lots]]. Considered Creator/MotoiSakuraba's best works, and for good reason. Even people who hate the games admit the soundtracks are fantastic.
* CultClassic: This game is the very definition of one. Not many people know about it, but go to any Website/YouTube vid about one of the many [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome Crowning Songs Of Awesome]] or ask [[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=387226 a fan]], and you'll see a very enthusiastic response.

* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/BatenKaitos Lots]]. Considered MotoiSakuraba's best works, and for good reason. Even people who hate the games admit the soundtracks are fantastic.

** The Angel of Darkness, who combines a paralysis attack with one that steals HP.

** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' has [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]], who, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to [[spoiler:become the Emperor]] by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi (whom he may have fathered through rape) in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath (a ''massive'' JerkAss in his own right) to cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:taking Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech]]...just to smear on the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as [[spoiler:Baelheit]] is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] shows up, murders him, and starts '''gloating''' about all his deeds.