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1!!Games with their own subpages:
2* YMMV/BatenKaitosEternalWingsAndTheLostOcean
3* YMMV/BatenKaitosOrigins
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5!!Tropes for both games:
6* CompleteMonster: [[TheManBehindTheMan Wiseman]] and [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] from ''[[VideoGame/BatenKaitosOrigins Origins]]''.
7* CultClassic: Both games are this. Not many people know about them, but go to any Website/YouTube vid about one of the many [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Crowning Songs Of Awesome]] or ask [[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=387226 a fan]], and you'll see a very enthusiastic response.
8* FanNickname:
9** The Angel of Darkness for [[spoiler:Kalas, post FaceHeelTurn]].
10** The Godcraft for [[spoiler:Past!Guillo]].
11** The Chaotic Trio for Giacomo, Ayme, and Folon.
12* {{Fanon}}: [[spoiler:The idea that Sagi and Milly are Melodia's parents seems to be agreed upon by most of the fanbase. The implications are there, but it's never stated outright.]]
13* SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound: Any late-game finishers qualify as this.
14** [[LimitBreak LEVEL FIVE!]]
15*** ''MP BURST!!''
16** '''FIGHT!'''
17** LOOK TO THE SKY!
18* NightmareFuel:
19** Everything about Wiseman, especially [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVwmR8J_y-Y his battle theme]], if you can even call that music.
20** The Phantom Goldoba, which was brought into existence by an interdimensional mind parasite that feeds upon anguish and suffering.
21** [[spoiler: Verus-Wiseman. A hideous, almost undescribable EldritchAbomination, with attacks like 'Cast Away Your Carnal Robes' and 'Magnus of Life'. And you fight him in a [[AmazingTechnicolorBattlefield starscape]]. Take from that what you will...]]
22** After a game spent almost entirely in fantasy landscapes and cities, walking into a city that wouldn't be out of place in ''Franchise/MassEffect'' is ''extremely'' jarring. Just to add to that, talk to some of the [[StepfordSmiler citi]][[EmptyShell zens]] there.
23** [[spoiler:After TheReveal, [[EvilAllAlong Verus]] becomes an extremely scary person. With that NightmareFace portrait, the things he talks about, and his general plans, it would seem bad enough, but it isn't. Check the room he supposedly used to "confide with his Guardian Spirit" for [[TortureCellar an extremely unexpected, but fitting, surprise.]]]]
24** [[spoiler:Geldoblame]]'s StartOfDarkness at the end of ''Origins'' is so different from his previous personality that it's genuinely frightening.
25** If Guillo wasn't on your side, that thing would be an incredibly scary adversary.
26** [[spoiler: Geldoblame's final form]] at the end of the first game. Utterly harmless as a boss, but the dissonant final music, the creepy atmosphere with the technicolor sky and weird reflections of his face just flying around for no good reason, [[spoiler: Xelha's advisors being swallowed by the ground]], and finally, the fact that he's [[spoiler: just a face coming out of the ground that exhales some weird green fog, spits fire and even ''shoots laster beams out of its eyes'']] make the fight with him very unsettling. The weird jerky animations and low-quality texture don't help. Borderline {{Squick}}.
27** The boss Hearteater from Origins has an attack called Ovulate in which it puts a countdown in a character, when said countdown expires, the victim gets viciously torn apart by worms and dies instantly, probably one of the most graphically violent attacks of the game.
28* TaintedByThePreview: As mentioned on TheyChangedItNowItSucks down below, fans' hype quickly dwindled from the absence of the English dub for the HD remasters. Not only that, fans are also not pleased by the fact that the remasters will still run at 30 FPS when most other remasters/ports would at least try to go 60 (even for a UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch release), making the fans question if Bandai Namco was pulling a very low effort for their remasters considering their remaster/port output's mixed reception in TheNewTwenties, the fear of which even seeped to the 2023 remaster of ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''.
29* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many fans weren't thrilled when it was revealed that the 2023 HD rerelease removed the English dubbing for both games. While the first game had a contentious dubbing, the second game's dubbing was rather well received.
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