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''IV''... N... that which comes before ''V''!
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''IV''... N... that which comes before ''V''!
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The current state of the British Isles is like North Korea today. They pretend that everyone else is dead and that they are the only Country left.
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The current state of the British Isles is like North Korea today. They pretend that everyone else is dead and that they are the only Country left.left.
[[WMG: Norsefire is represented by an "N" which symbolizes...]]
''IV''... N... that which comes before ''V''!
[[WMG: Norsefire is represented by an "N" which symbolizes...]]
''IV''... N... that which comes before ''V''!
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* That's impossible. V has no magical powers, Main/AlanMoore has several.
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* That's impossible. V has no magical powers, Main/AlanMoore Creator/AlanMoore has several.
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The current state of the British Isles is like North Korea today. They pretend that everyone else is dead and that they are the only Country left.
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[[WMG: The nuclear war never happened.]]
The current state of the British Isles is like North Korea today. They pretend that everyone else is dead and that they are the only Country left.
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** Seen this way, the entire story is a PerspectiveFlip on {{Batman}}.
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** Seen this way, the entire story is a PerspectiveFlip on {{Batman}}.
Franchise/{{Batman}}.
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** Seen this way, the entire story is a PerspectiveFlip on {{Batman}}.
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*** The problem is that the diaries list both Valerie as a lesbian, and V as a man. It's entirely reasonable that the government would have continued to refer to a transwoman as "he", but they wouldn't then have referred to her as a lesbian. It's possible that V was a transman (who the government might have classified as a lesbian, if they had a relationship with a woman), but if they felt he was a lesbian because they refused to accept his gender, then they wouldn't then have referred to him as a 'he'.
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*** The problem is that the diaries list both Valerie as a lesbian, and V as a man. It's entirely reasonable that the government would have continued to refer to a transwoman as "he", but they wouldn't then have referred to her as a lesbian. It's possible that V was a transman (who the government might have classified as a lesbian, if they had a relationship with a woman), but if they felt he was a lesbian because they refused to accept his gender, then they wouldn't then have referred to him as a 'he'. A much simpler explanation is that V is a man (possibly a gay one, explaining why he was put in there) who was inspired by Valerie.
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*** The problem is that the diaries list both Valerie as a lesbian, and V as a man. It's entirely reasonable that the government would have continued to refer to a transwoman as "he", but they wouldn't then have referred to her as a lesbian. It's possible that V was a transman (who the government might have classified as a lesbian, if they had a relationship with a woman), but if they felt he was a lesbian because they refused to accept his gender, then they wouldn't then have referred to him as a 'he'.
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***** That assumes she had a '''choice'''. It's entirely in-keeping with the views of the fascist government as presented that they could have forcibly reassigned Valerie's gender (or simply referred to her as a 'he' on paper) because she was a lesbian, possibly (given that it was an experimental facility) as part of some sort of twisted experiment into sexuality.
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(This is going on the movie, however. I haven't read the graphic novel.)
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(This is going on the movie, however. I haven't read the graphic novel.))
[[WMG: Under V's Mask, his face looks EXACTLY like the mask, only with burn scars.]]
Because really, his mask is the closet thing we could get to his real face. So it would make sense that he looks EXACTLY like the mask underneath.
[[WMG: V's Mask ''is'' his face.]]
[[WMG: Under V's Mask, his face looks EXACTLY like the mask, only with burn scars.]]
Because really, his mask is the closet thing we could get to his real face. So it would make sense that he looks EXACTLY like the mask underneath.
[[WMG: V's Mask ''is'' his face.]]
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** So, they're both Time Lords, then, and [[NeonGenesisEvangelion working for NERV?]]
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** So, they're both Time Lords, then, and [[NeonGenesisEvangelion [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion working for NERV?]]
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* ''Literature/AClockworkOrange'' was England of the 70's, imagined from the 60's. ''VForVendetta'' was 1990's England imagined from the 80's. The latter is simply the future of the former. By the time Alex is an adult, Norsefire has arisen, replacing the British government of Alex's youth (the 1970's, as imagined from 1962). Alex develops a political conscience. After being sent to the Larkhill Resettlement Camp by the Party, Alex's old files from the Staja are discovered, his captors learn of his treatment by the old government, and decide to subject him to Delia Surridge's experiments. After Larkhill, Alex dons a Guy Fawkes mask and becomes the professional anarchist with his reservoir of horrorshow ultraviolence. Like Alex, the V persona is extremely violent, with a penchant for sophisticated tastes in music and culture. He loses the nadsat, but compensates by taking up the mannerisms of a literature professor while fighting corruption.
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* ''Literature/AClockworkOrange'' was England of the 70's, imagined from the 60's. ''VForVendetta'' ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'' was 1990's England imagined from the 80's. The latter is simply the future of the former. By the time Alex is an adult, Norsefire has arisen, replacing the British government of Alex's youth (the 1970's, as imagined from 1962). Alex develops a political conscience. After being sent to the Larkhill Resettlement Camp by the Party, Alex's old files from the Staja are discovered, his captors learn of his treatment by the old government, and decide to subject him to Delia Surridge's experiments. After Larkhill, Alex dons a Guy Fawkes mask and becomes the professional anarchist with his reservoir of horrorshow ultraviolence. Like Alex, the V persona is extremely violent, with a penchant for sophisticated tastes in music and culture. He loses the nadsat, but compensates by taking up the mannerisms of a literature professor while fighting corruption.
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* This troper didn't realise until ''after'' reading that she probably wasn't supposed to see V as a [[HeroicSociopath sociopathic]] WickedCultured gay guy.
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* This troper didn't realise until ''after'' reading that she probably wasn't supposed to see V as a [[HeroicSociopath sociopathic]] sociopathic WickedCultured gay guy.
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** It makes sense, both are ByronicHero, [[AntiHero Antiheroes]]of NominalHero and [[HeroicSociopath Sociopaths]].
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** It makes sense, both are ByronicHero, [[AntiHero Antiheroes]]of NominalHero and [[HeroicSociopath Sociopaths]].
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** It makes sense, both are ByronicHero,[[AntiHero Antiheroes]]of [[SlidingScaleOfAntiHeroes Type V]] and [[HeroicSociopath Sociopaths]].
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** It makes sense, both are ByronicHero,[[AntiHero ByronicHero, [[AntiHero Antiheroes]]of [[SlidingScaleOfAntiHeroes Type V]] NominalHero and [[HeroicSociopath Sociopaths]].
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**** Norsefire is both or neither of the above and V is happily playing them against each other. Why? To get people's attention and make them notice things. The people working at both are just accidentally play into his schemes.
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[[WMG: V is the real Guy Fawkes]]
* Think about it V is a knowledgeable intelligent man that has an obsession with Guy Fawkes but why most people who have even so much as looked at a wiki page for Guy Fawkes will tell you that he was really nothing to look up too. Unless he actually was Guy Fawkes and saw the rise of Norsefire as a way to redeem himself thus clearing his name this would also explain why he was able to come up with a plan with centuries of pondering he was able to perfect the original plan then when Norsefire came he just modified it, it would also explain his love for old movies and books as to him there still pretty modern
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* Think about it V is a knowledgeable intelligent man that has an obsession with Guy Fawkes but why most people who have even so much as looked at a wiki page for Guy Fawkes will tell you that he was really nothing to look up too. Unless he actually was Guy Fawkes and saw the rise of Norsefire as a way to redeem himself thus clearing his name this would also explain why he was able to come up with a plan with centuries of pondering he was able to perfect the original plan then when Norsefire came he just modified it, it would also explain his love for old movies and books as to him there still pretty modern
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[[WMG: V is the real Guy Fawkes]]
Think about it. V is a knowledgeable and intelligent man who has an obsession with Guy Fawkes, but most people who have even so much as looked at a wiki page for Guy Fawkes will tell you that he was really nothing to look up to. Why would V be obsessed with this guy, unless he actually was Guy Fawkes? V/Guy Fawkes saw the rise of Norsefire as a way to redeem himself and clear his name. This would also explain why he was able to come up with such a clever plan. He perfected his original ploy with centuries of planning, then when Norsefire came he just modified it. It would also explain his love for old movies and books, as they would be still pretty modern to him.
(This is going on the movie, however. I haven't read the graphic novel.)
[[WMG: V is the real Guy Fawkes]]
Think about it. V is a knowledgeable and intelligent man who has an obsession with Guy Fawkes, but most people who have even so much as looked at a wiki page for Guy Fawkes will tell you that he was really nothing to look up to. Why would V be obsessed with this guy, unless he actually was Guy Fawkes? V/Guy Fawkes saw the rise of Norsefire as a way to redeem himself and clear his name. This would also explain why he was able to come up with such a clever plan. He perfected his original ploy with centuries of planning, then when Norsefire came he just modified it. It would also explain his love for old movies and books, as they would be still pretty modern to him.
(This is going on the movie, however. I haven't read the graphic novel.)
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[[WMG: V is [[{{Watchmen}} Ozymandias/Adrian Veidt]]]]
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[[WMG: The nuclear war responsible for wiping out much of the world was partly due to the Russians realizing that [[spoiler: the aliens from ''{{Watchmen}}'' weren't really coming.]]]]
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* To elaborate on a theory from the ''{{Watchmen}}'' WMG, Dr. Manhattan didn't kill [[spoiler:Rorschach]] at the end, he merely teleported him to rural Britain, where he was eventually sent to Larkhill. This being WMG, you can guess where this one is headed.
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* To elaborate on a theory from the ''{{Watchmen}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' WMG, Dr. Manhattan didn't kill [[spoiler:Rorschach]] at the end, he merely teleported him to rural Britain, where he was eventually sent to Larkhill. This being WMG, you can guess where this one is headed.
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[[WMG: V is the real Guy Fawkes]]
*Think about it V is a knowledgeable intelligent man that has an obsession with Guy Fawkes but why most people who have even so much as looked at a wiki page for Guy Fawkes will tell you that he was really nothing to look up too. Unless he actually was Guy Fawkes and saw the rise of Norsefire as a way to redeem himself thus clearing his name this would also explain why he was able to come up with a plan with centuries of pondering he was able to perfect the original plan then when Norsefire came he just modified it, it would also explain his love for old movies and books as to him there still pretty modern
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*Think about it V is a knowledgeable intelligent man that has an obsession with Guy Fawkes but why most people who have even so much as looked at a wiki page for Guy Fawkes will tell you that he was really nothing to look up too. Unless he actually was Guy Fawkes and saw the rise of Norsefire as a way to redeem himself thus clearing his name this would also explain why he was able to come up with a plan with centuries of pondering he was able to perfect the original plan then when Norsefire came he just modified it, it would also explain his love for old movies and books as to him there still pretty modern
(This is going on the movie however I haven't read the Graphic novel)
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**** Since V For Vendetta was written and published years before the Oklahoma City bominbgs, yes, it was a coincidence.
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[[WMG: Everyone is V]]
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*** It's explicitly stated by Finch that V has removed pages from Dr. Surridge's diary so that the full truth about him/her is never discovered. Who's to say V didn't also change some parts of the text so that they say "man" instead" of "woman"? That way s/he can make sure no one will know who s/he is.
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[[WMG: V didn't die, he went to an alternate universe and became a [[TheOrderOfTheStick purple haired elf]]]]
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[[WMG: V didn't die, he went to an alternate universe and became a [[TheOrderOfTheStick [[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick purple haired elf]]]]
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*** But it's all ''written word''. Who's to say they don't have similar voices?
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** Actually, this theory doesn't work for the movie version, because security cameras saw both of them on the roof at the begining. On the other hand, it explains why no one ever hunted Evey in the graphic novel.
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* This is a good theory, but I think Finch is Batman and not Gordon. That way, Dominic can be Robin.
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* uh... is there any evidence at all to support this?
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* Jossed since the film doesn't explore this seriously. In the sense that there's not even evidence to support it. Even in the comics.
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** I think you need to re-read the [[WMG/ProgrammeNote WMG programme note]]>
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** I think you're missing the whole point of WMG.
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We cannot be sure that 1984 even takes place in 1984. Years after the revolution Britain would be left in chaos, and the new goverment impose an even more conformist measures on the people. [[{{Unperson}} V and the revoultion will never have been]] in the public eye, to stop any thought of any rebellion. Ever.
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We cannot be sure that 1984 even takes place in 1984. Years after the revolution Britain would be left in chaos, and the new goverment impose an even more conformist measures on the people. [[{{Unperson}} V and the revoultion revolution will never have been]] in the public eye, to stop any thought of any rebellion. Ever.
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* Both are charismatic, have superhuman reflexes, are very intelligent. Adrian even signs his letters with a "V—" in Watchmen.
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