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shouldn't a double subversion have the same net effect as a straight example? the previous example seemed more like a straight deus ex machina than a double subversion of this.


** Bob has a new superweapon which blows the enemies to pieces.

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** Bob has a new superweapon which blows Evulz's reinforcements appear at the enemies crest of the hill... only for Charlie to pieces.give the signal and [[CavalryBetrayal charge Evulz's own troops.]]
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** Evulz is actually the better ruler and his people are happier.

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** Evulz is actually the better ruler and his people are happier.happier, even if they are afraid of [[MakeAnExampleOfThem what will happen if they ever step out of line]].
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** Evulz is [[TheDreaded too good at spreading fear]] for defiance to grow amongst his subjects. If Bob is not afraid, it's because he's literally an OutsideContextProblem.

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** Evulz is [[TheDreaded too good at spreading fear]] for defiance to grow amongst his subjects. If Bob is not afraid, it's because he's literally an OutsideContextProblem.OutsideContextProblem, and even then he may end up having to fight alone.
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** Evulz is [[TheDreaded too good at spreading fear]] for defiance to grow amongst his subjects. If Bob is not afraid, it's because he's literally an OutsideContextProblem.


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* '''Played For Horror''': The things Evulz does to enforce fear amongst his subjects work incredibly well, not to mention makes the audience faint.

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'''Basic Trope''': Ruling by fear doesn't work as well as ruling with love.

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'''Basic Trope''': Ruling by fear doesn't work as works less well as than ruling with love.



** Emperor Evulz rules through fear. His minions are reluctant to fight for him, but they don't heel face turn.

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** Emperor Evulz rules through fear. His minions are reluctant to fight for him, but they don't heel face heel-face turn.



* '''Inverted''': Evulz is actually the better ruler and his people are happier.

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* '''Inverted''': '''Inverted''':
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Evulz is actually the better ruler and his people are happier.



** Bob's forces look like they'll win the war when they're overwhelmed at the last moment by Evulz's reinforcements.
** It seems Charlie will heel face turn to Bob's side, but he is too afraid of Evulz.

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** Bob's forces look like they'll win the war when they're overwhelmed at the last moment by [[WeHaveReserves Evulz's reinforcements.
reinforcements]].
** It seems Charlie will heel face heel-face turn to Bob's side, but he is too afraid of Evulz.



* '''Zig Zagged''': At first, Evulz appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that he actually rules through fear. It's then revealed that [[WellIntentionedExtremist he's doing this for the good of the people]]. It's later found out that many people have figured it out and love him anyway.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': '''Zig-Zagged''': At first, Evulz appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that he actually rules through fear. It's then revealed that [[WellIntentionedExtremist he's doing this for the good of the people]]. It's later found out that many people have figured it out and love him anyway.



** It's unknown as to what kind of leaders Evulz and Bob are, as neither one of them is shown actually leading.

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** It's unknown as to what kind of leaders Evulz and Bob are, as [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything neither one of them is shown actually leading.leading]].



** Both Evulz and Bob are tyrants or well-loved, and neither is better or worse in terms of fairness.

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** Both Evulz and Bob are tyrants or well-loved, and neither is better or worse in terms of fairness.more nor less fair than the other.



* '''Invoked''': ???

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* '''Invoked''': ???Bob, an aspiring democratic leader, decides to find out what the people want to give them something to fight for rather than just to fight against.



* '''Conversed''': "Well, Evulz might have the upper hand now, but did you see what he did to poor Charlie? He'll lose in the end".
* '''Played For Laughs''': Evulz gives out {{Cool And Unusual Punishment}}s to his people and [[HoistByHisOwnPetard one of them leads to his downfall]].
* '''Played For Drama''': Evulz loses the war and [[HeelRealization realizes]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters how far he fell due to his ruthlessness]].

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* '''Conversed''': "Well, Evulz might have the upper hand now, but did you see what he did to poor Charlie? He'll lose in the end".
end."
* '''Played For for Laughs''': Evulz gives out {{Cool And and Unusual Punishment}}s to his people and [[HoistByHisOwnPetard one of them leads to his downfall]].
* '''Played For for Drama''': Evulz loses the war and [[HeelRealization realizes]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters how far he fell due to his ruthlessness]].



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** Ruling by fear is prone to backfire in the worst ways. Not only will they [[TheDogBitesBack abandon or kill their leader when he is at his most vulnerable]] it means instead of just deserting they will [[UnfriendlyFire shoot him then desert]] because they only fear the consequences.
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** Evulz believes that Machiavelli was right.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Evulz throws Charlie in jail for leaving a speck of dirt on his weapons; Charlie escapes and joins Bob, who was waiting outside.

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* '''Exaggerated''': '''Exaggerated''':
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Evulz throws Charlie in jail for leaving a speck of dirt on his weapons; Charlie escapes and joins Bob, who was waiting outside.outside.
** Evulz, the resident EldritchAbomination, tries to lord over the humans [[HumansAreInsects as if they're defenseless insects]], humanity [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu proves him wrong]].

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* '''Downplayed''': Emperor Evulz is slightly surprised when Charlie defects, but not very.

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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
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Emperor Evulz is slightly surprised when Charlie defects, but not very.very.
** Emperor Evulz rules through fear. His minions are reluctant to fight for him, but they don't heel face turn.



* '''Subverted''': Bob's forces look like they'll win the war when they're overwhelmed at the last moment by Evulz's reinforcements.

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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
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Bob's forces look like they'll win the war when they're overwhelmed at the last moment by Evulz's reinforcements.reinforcements.
** It seems Charlie will heel face turn to Bob's side, but he is too afraid of Evulz.



* '''Played For Laughs''': Evulz gives out {{Cool And Unusual Punishment}}s to her people and [[HoistByHisOwnPetard one of them leads to his downfall]].

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* '''Played For Laughs''': Evulz gives out {{Cool And Unusual Punishment}}s to her his people and [[HoistByHisOwnPetard one of them leads to his downfall]].
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* '''Enforced''': ???

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* '''Enforced''': ???Maybe the author really, ''really'' believes in Power by PowerOfLove?
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* '''Straight''': [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] rules with an iron fist. He's surprised when Charlie {{Heel Face Turn}}s to Bob's side.

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* '''Straight''': [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] rules with an iron fist. He's surprised when Charlie Charlie, one of his high-ranking officers, {{Heel Face Turn}}s to Bob's side.
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* '''Downplayed''': Emperor Evulz sometimes yells at his subjects. However, he has stopped doing this because he realized that his subjects don't obey him when he's mean to them.

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* '''Downplayed''': Emperor Evulz sometimes yells at his subjects. However, he has stopped doing this because he realized that his subjects don't obey him is slightly surprised when he's mean to them.Charlie defects, but not very.
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* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???Bob convinces Charlie to join his side because Evulz was so mean to Charlie.
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* '''Downplayed''': [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] sometimes yells at his subjects. However, he has stopped doing this because he realized that his subjects don't obey him when he's mean to them.

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* '''Downplayed''': [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] Evulz sometimes yells at his subjects. However, he has stopped doing this because he realized that his subjects don't obey him when he's mean to them.
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* '''Downplayed''': ???

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* '''Downplayed''': ???[[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] sometimes yells at his subjects. However, he has stopped doing this because he realized that his subjects don't obey him when he's mean to them.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': At first, Evulz appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that he actually rules through fear. It's then revealed that [[WellIntentionedExtremist he's doing this for the good of the people]. It's later found out that many people have figured it out and love him anyway.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': At first, Evulz appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that he actually rules through fear. It's then revealed that [[WellIntentionedExtremist he's doing this for the good of the people].people]]. It's later found out that many people have figured it out and love him anyway.
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* '''Subverted''': Bobs' forces look like they'll win the war when they're overwhelmed at the last moment by Evulz's reinforcements.

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* '''Subverted''': Bobs' Bob's forces look like they'll win the war when they're overwhelmed at the last moment by Evulz's reinforcements.



* '''Zig Zagged''': At first Evulz appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that he actually rules through fear. It's then revealed that [[WellIntentionedExtremist he's doing this for the good of the people]. It' later found out that many people have figured it out and love him anyway.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': At first first, Evulz appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that he actually rules through fear. It's then revealed that [[WellIntentionedExtremist he's doing this for the good of the people]. It' It's later found out that many people have figured it out and love him anyway.



* '''Lampshaded''': "Don't you know you can't rule through fear?"
* '''Invoked''': Evulz says, "It comes with the job, sorry. You have to fear ''someone'' up here".

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* '''Lampshaded''': "Don't you know that you can't rule through fear?"
fear? It ''never'' works out in the end."
* '''Invoked''': Evulz says, "It comes with the job, sorry. You have to fear ''someone'' up here".???



* '''Discussed''': >??

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* '''Discussed''': >?????

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* '''Straight''': Alice rules with an iron fist. She is surprised when Charlie Heel Face Turns to Bobs' side.
* '''Exaggerated''':
** Alice throws Charlie in jail for leaving a speck of dirt on his weapon, he escapes and joins Bob, who was waiting outside.
** Alice takes away Charlie's video games for not cleaning the stables. [[DisproportionateRetribution He topples her regime]].

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* '''Straight''': Alice [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] rules with an iron fist. She is He's surprised when Charlie Heel {{Heel Face Turns Turn}}s to Bobs' Bob's side.
* '''Exaggerated''':
** Alice
'''Exaggerated''': Evulz throws Charlie in jail for leaving a speck of dirt on his weapon, he weapons; Charlie escapes and joins Bob, who was waiting outside.
** Alice takes away Charlie's video games for not cleaning the stables. [[DisproportionateRetribution He topples her regime]].
outside.



** Charlie realizes that even if he manages to survive in Alice's care, he'd still rather be happy with Bob.
** Charlie dislikes or even hates being controlled this way.
* '''Inverted''': Alice is actually the better ruler, and her people are happier.
* '''Subverted''': Bobs' forces look like they'll win the war, when they are overwhelmed at the last moment by Alice's reinforcements.

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** Charlie realizes that even if he manages to survive in Alice's care, under Evulz's rule, he'd still rather be happy with Bob.
on Bob's side.
** Charlie dislikes or even hates being controlled this way.
* '''Inverted''': Alice Evulz is actually the better ruler, ruler and her his people are happier.
* '''Subverted''': Bobs' forces look like they'll win the war, war when they are they're overwhelmed at the last moment by Alice's Evulz's reinforcements.



** Bob has a new weapon, which blows the enemies to pieces. (Particularly valid if the weapon runs on ThePowerOfLove.)
** Fearing Alice's reputation and not wishing to be captured, Bob's forces fight even harder at the sight of Alice's reinforcements and manage to win the day.

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** Bob has a new weapon, superweapon which blows the enemies to pieces. (Particularly valid if the weapon runs on ThePowerOfLove.)
pieces.
** Fearing Alice's reputation Evulz's oppression and not wishing to be captured, Bob's forces fight even harder at the sight of Alice's Evulz's reinforcements and manage to win the day.



** Alice yells at Charlie. As he leaves the throne room he is stopped by a Bob recruiter, who promises they won't threaten his friends and family like Alice. And they'll give him cookies.
** Alice's method of instilling terror into her underlings' hearts consist on [[PokeThePoodle wearing a spooky mask and jumping out behind them]]. Most of them don't last a week under command, and she always wonders why they leave so soon.
* '''Zig Zagged''': At first Alice appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that she actually rules through fear. It is then found out she is doing this for the good of the people. It is later found out that many people have figured it out, and love her anyway.

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** Alice Evulz yells at Charlie. As he leaves the throne room he is room, he's stopped by a Bob recruiter, rebel recruiter who promises they that Bob won't threaten his friends and family like Alice. And they'll he'll give him cookies.
** Alice's Evulz's method of instilling terror into her his underlings' hearts consist on of [[PokeThePoodle wearing a spooky mask and jumping out behind them]]. Most of them don't last a week under command, command and she he always wonders why they leave so soon.
* '''Zig Zagged''': At first Alice Evulz appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that she he actually rules through fear. It is It's then found out she is revealed that [[WellIntentionedExtremist he's doing this for the good of the people. It is people]. It' later found out that many people have figured it out, out and love her him anyway.



** It is unknown what kind of leaders Alice and Bob are, as neither one of them is shown actually leading.
** Alice and Bob are leaders of groups where the people have no choice but to follow them.
** Both Alice and Bob are tyrants or well-loved, and neither is better or worse in terms of kindness.
* '''Enforced''': "If we have Alice be nice no one will want to see her lose, as we have to make her more evil".
* '''Lampshaded''': "Don't you know you can't win? We have the power of friendship on our side!"
* '''Invoked''': Alice says, "It comes with the job, sorry. You have to fear ''someone'' up here".

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** It is It's unknown as to what kind of leaders Alice Evulz and Bob are, as neither one of them is shown actually leading.
** Alice Evulz and Bob are leaders of groups where the people have no choice but to follow them.
** Both Alice Evulz and Bob are tyrants or well-loved, and neither is better or worse in terms of kindness.
fairness.
* '''Enforced''': "If we have Alice be nice no one will want to see her lose, as we have to make her more evil".
???
* '''Lampshaded''': "Don't you know you can't win? We have the power of friendship on our side!"
rule through fear?"
* '''Invoked''': Alice Evulz says, "It comes with the job, sorry. You have to fear ''someone'' up here".



* '''Defied''': Alice knows what would happen if she causes her people to fear her, so she makes sure to treat them kindly.
* '''Discussed''': "If this was a novel Alice would lose just because she's cruel. But we're going to have to fight hard to defeat her".
* '''Conversed''': "Well, Alice might have the upper hand now, but did you see what she did to poor Charlie? She'll lose in the end".
* '''Deconstructed''': Rule by fear doesn't work because people are too afraid to do ''anything'' - including their jobs. Everything that needs to be done [[FascistButInefficient ends up done half-assedly or not at all]], technological progress stagnates, and art... [[PropagandaMachine let's not even]] [[DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible mention that]].
* '''Reconstructed''': But then Alice breaks them, saying that SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped.
* '''Played For Laughs''': Alice gives out cool and unusual punishments to her people, and is defeated by one of those punishments.
* '''Played For Drama''': Alice loses the war, and realizes she had become evil along the way.

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* '''Defied''': Alice Evulz knows what would happen if she he causes her his people to fear her, him, so she makes sure to treat them kindly.
fairly.
* '''Discussed''': "If this was a novel Alice would lose just because she's cruel. But we're going to have to fight hard to defeat her".
>??
* '''Conversed''': "Well, Alice Evulz might have the upper hand now, but did you see what she he did to poor Charlie? She'll He'll lose in the end".
* '''Deconstructed''': Rule by fear doesn't work because people are too afraid to do ''anything'' - including their jobs. Everything that needs to be done [[FascistButInefficient ends up done half-assedly or not at all]], technological progress stagnates, and art... [[PropagandaMachine let's not even]] [[DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible mention that]].
* '''Reconstructed''': But then Alice breaks them, saying that SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped.
* '''Played For Laughs''': Alice Evulz gives out cool and unusual punishments {{Cool And Unusual Punishment}}s to her people, people and is defeated by [[HoistByHisOwnPetard one of those punishments.
them leads to his downfall]].
* '''Played For Drama''': Alice Evulz loses the war, war and realizes she had become evil along the way.[[HeelRealization realizes]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters how far he fell due to his ruthlessness]].

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%%* '''Deconstructed''': ???
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* '''Exaggerated''': Alice throws Charlie in jail for leaving a speck of dirt on his weapon, he escapes and joins Bob, who was waiting outside.

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* '''Exaggerated''': '''Exaggerated''':
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Alice throws Charlie in jail for leaving a speck of dirt on his weapon, he escapes and joins Bob, who was waiting outside.



* '''Downplayed''': ???



* '''Deconstructed''': Rule by fear dosen't work because people are too afraid to do ''anything'' - including their jobs. Everything that needs to be done [[FascistButInefficient ends up done half-assedly or not at all]], technological progress stagnates, and art... [[PropagandaMachine let's not even]] [[DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible mention that]].
* '''Reconstructed''': But then Alice breaks them, saying that SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped.



* '''Enforced''': "If we have Alice be nice no one will want to see her lose, as we have to make her more evil."

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* '''Enforced''': "If we have Alice be nice no one will want to see her lose, as we have to make her more evil."evil".



* '''Invoked''': Alice says, "It comes with the job, sorry. You have to fear ''someone'' up here."

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* '''Invoked''': Alice says, "It comes with the job, sorry. You have to fear ''someone'' up here." here".
* '''Exploited''': ???



* '''Discussed''': "If this was a novel Alice would lose just because she's cruel. But we're going to have to fight hard to defeat her."
* '''Conversed''': "Well, Alice might have the upper hand now, but did you see what she did to poor Charlie? She'll lose in the end."

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* '''Discussed''': "If this was a novel Alice would lose just because she's cruel. But we're going to have to fight hard to defeat her."
her".
* '''Conversed''': "Well, Alice might have the upper hand now, but did you see what she did to poor Charlie? She'll lose in the end."end".
* '''Deconstructed''': Rule by fear doesn't work because people are too afraid to do ''anything'' - including their jobs. Everything that needs to be done [[FascistButInefficient ends up done half-assedly or not at all]], technological progress stagnates, and art... [[PropagandaMachine let's not even]] [[DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible mention that]].
* '''Reconstructed''': But then Alice breaks them, saying that SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped.



* '''Played For Drama''': Alice loses the war, and realises she had become evil along the way.

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* '''Played For Drama''': Alice loses the war, and realises realizes she had become evil along the way.



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* '''Deconstructed''': Rule by fear dosen't work because people are too afraid to do ''anything'' - including their jobs. Everything that needs to be done [[FascistButInefficient ends up done half-assedly or not at all]], technological progress stagnates, and art... [[PropagandaMachine let's not even]] [[SoBadItsHorrible mention that]].

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* '''Deconstructed''': Rule by fear dosen't work because people are too afraid to do ''anything'' - including their jobs. Everything that needs to be done [[FascistButInefficient ends up done half-assedly or not at all]], technological progress stagnates, and art... [[PropagandaMachine let's not even]] [[SoBadItsHorrible [[DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible mention that]].
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** Alice takes away Charlie's video games for not cleaning the stables. [[DisproportionateRetribution He topples her regime]].

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* '''Justified''': Charlie realizes that even if he manages to survive in Alice's care, he'd still rather be happy with Bob.

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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
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Charlie realizes that even if he manages to survive in Alice's care, he'd still rather be happy with Bob.



* '''Double Subverted''': Bob has a new weapon, which blows the enemies to pieces. (Particularly valid if the weapon runs on ThePowerOfLove.)

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* '''Double Subverted''': Subverted''':
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Bob has a new weapon, which blows the enemies to pieces. (Particularly valid if the weapon runs on ThePowerOfLove.)



* '''Parodied''': Alice yells at Charlie. As he leaves the throne room he is stopped by a Bob recruiter, who promises they won't threaten his friends and family like Alice. And they'll give him cookies.

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* '''Parodied''': '''Parodied''':
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Alice yells at Charlie. As he leaves the throne room he is stopped by a Bob recruiter, who promises they won't threaten his friends and family like Alice. And they'll give him cookies.



* '''Averted''': It is unknown what kind of leaders Alice and Bob are, as neither one of them is shown actually leading.

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* '''Averted''': '''Averted''':
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It is unknown what kind of leaders Alice and Bob are, as neither one of them is shown actually leading.
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** Charlie has a phobia of being controlled this way.

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** Charlie has a phobia of dislikes or even hates being controlled this way.
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* '''Double Subverted''': Bob has a new weapon, which blows the enemies to pieces.

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* '''Double Subverted''': Bob has a new weapon, which blows the enemies to pieces. (Particularly valid if the weapon runs on ThePowerOfLove.)
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** Alice's method of instilling terror into her underlings' hearts consist on [[PokeThePoodle wearing a spooky mask and jumping from behind of them]]. Most of them don't last a week under command, and she always wonder why they leave so soon.
* '''Deconstructed''': Rule by fear dosen't work because people are too afraid to do ''anything'' - including their jobs. Everything that needs to be done [[FascistButInefficient ends up done half-assedly or not done at all]], technological progress stagnates, and art... [[PropagandaMachine let's not even]] [[SoBadItsHorrible mention that]].
* '''Reconstructed''': But then Alice breaks them says that SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped.
* '''Zig Zagged''': At first Alice appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that she actually rules through fear. It is then found out she is doing this for the good of the people. It is later found out that many people have figured it out, and love her anyways.

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** Alice's method of instilling terror into her underlings' hearts consist on [[PokeThePoodle wearing a spooky mask and jumping from out behind of them]]. Most of them don't last a week under command, and she always wonder wonders why they leave so soon.
* '''Deconstructed''': Rule by fear dosen't work because people are too afraid to do ''anything'' - including their jobs. Everything that needs to be done [[FascistButInefficient ends up done half-assedly or not done at all]], technological progress stagnates, and art... [[PropagandaMachine let's not even]] [[SoBadItsHorrible mention that]].
* '''Reconstructed''': But then Alice breaks them says them, saying that SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped.
* '''Zig Zagged''': At first Alice appears to be a loving ruler, but it soon turns out that she actually rules through fear. It is then found out she is doing this for the good of the people. It is later found out that many people have figured it out, and love her anyways.anyway.



* '''Conversed''': "Well, Alice has the upper hand now, but did you see what she did to poor Charlie? She'll lose in the end."

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* '''Conversed''': "Well, Alice has might have the upper hand now, but did you see what she did to poor Charlie? She'll lose in the end."
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* '''Invoked''': ???

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* '''Invoked''': ???Alice says, "It comes with the job, sorry. You have to fear ''someone'' up here."
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* '''Reconstructed''': ???

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* '''Reconstructed''': ???But then Alice breaks them says that SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped.
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* '''Deconstructed''': ???

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* '''Deconstructed''': ???Rule by fear dosen't work because people are too afraid to do ''anything'' - including their jobs. Everything that needs to be done [[FascistButInefficient ends up done half-assedly or not done at all]], technological progress stagnates, and art... [[PropagandaMachine let's not even]] [[SoBadItsHorrible mention that]].



* Alice and Bob are leaders of groups where the people have no choice but to follow them.
* Both Alice and Bob are tyrants or well loved, and neither is better in terms of kindness.

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* ** Alice and Bob are leaders of groups where the people have no choice but to follow them.
* ** Both Alice and Bob are tyrants or well loved, well-loved, and neither is better or worse in terms of kindness.

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