History NeverLiveItDown / VideoGames

16th Feb '17 12:52:23 PM mario0987
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** Some fans, mostly ''Paper Mario'' fans, can not get past how ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' has no original characters, generic locations and an over abundance of Toads. This is because these are some of the flaws that the much loathed ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar''. ''Paper Jam'' has more returning characters and has much better characterisation of them (even giving personality to previously [[FlatCharacter Flat Characters]]) but it is still does something that ''Sticker Star'' did.

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** Some fans, mostly ''Paper Mario'' fans, can not get past how ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' has no original characters, generic locations and an over abundance of Toads. This is because these are some of the flaws that of the much loathed ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar''. ''Paper Jam'' has more returning characters and has much better characterisation of them (even giving personality to previously [[FlatCharacter Flat Characters]]) but it is still does something that ''Sticker Star'' did.really left a stain on the franchise few people will forget anytime soon.
16th Feb '17 12:49:07 PM mario0987
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** On a related note is Nintendo Treehouse localisations. The way some people talk, you would think these localisations are [[BadExportForYou inferior to the original Japanese, changing things for the sake of it and feature far more changes than previous games.]]
13th Feb '17 4:25:15 PM Yalsaris63
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** There's also [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure Big the Cat.]] The way people talk about him, you'd think Sonic Adventure was purely about fishing. And get this, his voice actor is actually the same guy who voiced ''[[Franchise/DukeNukem Duke Freakin' Nukem]]''. To an extent, this applies to other playable characters, as well as the very concept of additional playable characters. This sort of switched a bit when the games cast was reduced to just Sonic and Tails; and people could see first-hand what poor characters they were. So while the characters haven't returned per-se, they're slowly being used more frequently. Even Big has sort of made a comeback, for better or worse.

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** There's also [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure Big the Cat.]] The way people talk about him, you'd think Sonic Adventure was purely about fishing. And get this, his voice actor is actually the same guy who voiced ''freakin''' ''[[Franchise/DukeNukem Duke Freakin' Nukem]]''. To an extent, this applies to other playable characters, as well as the very concept of additional playable characters. This sort of switched a bit when the games cast was reduced to just Sonic and Tails; and people could see first-hand what poor characters they were. So while the characters haven't returned per-se, they're slowly being used more frequently. Even Big has sort of made a comeback, for better or worse.
13th Feb '17 4:23:50 PM Yalsaris63
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** There's also [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure Big the Cat.]] The way people talk about him, you'd think Sonic Adventure was purely about fishing. To en extent, this applies to other playable characters, as well as the very concept of additional playable characters. This sort of switched a bit when the games cast was reduced to just Sonic and Tails; and people could see first-hand what poor characters they were. So while the characters haven't returned per-se, they're slowly being used more frequently. Even Big has sort of made a comeback, for better or worse.

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** There's also [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure Big the Cat.]] The way people talk about him, you'd think Sonic Adventure was purely about fishing. And get this, his voice actor is actually the same guy who voiced ''[[Franchise/DukeNukem Duke Freakin' Nukem]]''. To en an extent, this applies to other playable characters, as well as the very concept of additional playable characters. This sort of switched a bit when the games cast was reduced to just Sonic and Tails; and people could see first-hand what poor characters they were. So while the characters haven't returned per-se, they're slowly being used more frequently. Even Big has sort of made a comeback, for better or worse.
30th Jan '17 3:44:16 AM GlitteringFlowers
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** The franchise starting with ''Awakening'' has received quite a severe BrokenBase from people who feel that the games have abandoned everything the franchise was known (such as removing perma-death and a much more "anime" based aesthetic) in order to pander to a lower crowd. This ignores that practically all the AntiFrustrationFeatures can be disabled, the games still make frequent references to prior entries and that the elements alienated Japanese gamers and newcomers, leading a severe decline in sales and what would of been the series cancellation had ''Awakening'' not done as well as it did.

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*** Kiragi is a sweet and helpful {{keet}} who shows some CutePsycho traits ''in a DLC stage'' and only regarding some of his mothers (Rinkah, Camilla and Azura). Naturally, the fandom has made him a full-blown CreepyChild who does nothing but cackle psychotically.
** The franchise starting with ''Awakening'' has received quite a severe BrokenBase from people elitists who feel that the games have abandoned everything the franchise was known (such as removing perma-death and a much more "anime" based aesthetic) in order to pander to a lower crowd. This ignores that: that the older games already had many animesque tropes, practically all the AntiFrustrationFeatures can be disabled, the games still make frequent references to prior entries and that the elements alienated Japanese gamers and newcomers, leading a severe decline in sales and what would of been the series cancellation had ''Awakening'' not done as well as it did.
15th Jan '17 6:14:54 AM MummyGaGa
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** From VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3, Shinguuji will always be known for [[spoiler: his [[BrotherSisterIncest relationship with his sister]].

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** From VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3, Shinguuji will always be known for [[spoiler: his [[BrotherSisterIncest relationship with his sister]].]]
15th Jan '17 6:14:10 AM MummyGaGa
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** From VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3, Shinguuji will always be known for [[spoiler: his [[BrotherSisterIncest relationship with his sister]].
11th Jan '17 8:27:35 PM SaraJaye
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*** Leo's feelings for Camilla, among some sectors of the fandom. Due to ''[[AllThereInTheManual The Making of Fire Emblem]]'' stating that his behavior towards Camilla in their support indicates a past crush on her, some fans believe he never got over it and that it defines him and his relationships with the women he can marry. This despite the fact that these feelings never come into play and that Leo is completely capable of falling in love with women despite not being completely flawless around them.
10th Jan '17 7:11:16 AM mario0987
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** Professor Oak will also never live down asking the player character if they are a boy or girl. All of the Pokémon professors apart from Elm do it, and the first to do it was Professor Birch, but Oak is the one most remembered for it.



** The Mushroom Kingdom when Bowser became a greater threat than before in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''. It's bad enough that they still considered him a threat even without realizing was more of a nuisance than a threat since Paper Mario, but this made it clear that they have to do something to prevent him from being a threat despite the necessity of a game. Worse still, in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2'', they have no idea Bowser craves Stars for his plots and have a Star Festival AGAIN! Then Bowser shows up [[LargeHam "HUUUUUUUUUGGGGE!!"]], and even GREATER threat. Despite how good the game is, this is TOO MUCH! And it cemented the Mushroom Kingdom's status as a bunch of lazy dipshits who wouldn't even try to prevent that kind of menace from happening. Preventing Bowser from being a threat is a necessity now, not because it's easy (it's not), but [[SeriousBusiness it's a matter of life and death and a necessity for survival.]] And if a threat the level of Bowser in the Galaxy games can be prevented, especially due to other recent less-than-stellar [[EvilPlan evil plans]] and Bowser's hypocritical behavior being an occasional ally of his foes, they should try figuring that out and create a new villain that can NEVER be prevented from being a threat to the Kingdom and doesn't have a VillainousCrush on Princess Peach and instead kidnaps her to keep his evil magic intact and generally ForTheEvulz (things that made Bowser a better villain in the past) or people will get tired of playing a video games supporting such lazy dipshits.

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** The Mushroom Kingdom when Bowser became a greater threat than before in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''. It's bad enough that they still considered him a threat even without realizing he was more of a nuisance than a threat since Paper Mario, but this made it clear that they have to do something to prevent him from being a threat despite the necessity of a game. Worse still, in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2'', they have no idea Bowser craves Stars for his plots and have a Star Festival AGAIN! Then Bowser shows up [[LargeHam "HUUUUUUUUUGGGGE!!"]], and even GREATER threat. Despite how good the game is, this is TOO MUCH! And it cemented the Mushroom Kingdom's status as a bunch of lazy dipshits who wouldn't even try to prevent that kind of menace from happening. Preventing Bowser from being a threat is a necessity now, not because it's easy (it's not), but [[SeriousBusiness it's a matter of life and death and a necessity for survival.]] And if a threat the level of Bowser in the Galaxy games can be prevented, especially due to other recent less-than-stellar [[EvilPlan evil plans]] and Bowser's hypocritical behavior being an occasional ally of his foes, they should try figuring that out and create a new villain that can NEVER be prevented from being a threat to the Kingdom and doesn't have a VillainousCrush on Princess Peach and instead kidnaps her to keep his evil magic intact and generally ForTheEvulz (things that made Bowser a better villain in the past) or people will get tired of playing a video games supporting such lazy dipshits.dipshits.
** Some fans, mostly ''Paper Mario'' fans, can not get past how ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' has no original characters, generic locations and an over abundance of Toads. This is because these are some of the flaws that the much loathed ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar''. ''Paper Jam'' has more returning characters and has much better characterisation of them (even giving personality to previously [[FlatCharacter Flat Characters]]) but it is still does something that ''Sticker Star'' did.
** ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'' is unable to get away from the fact that it has the much loathed gameplay of ''Sticker Star''. It fixes most of the problems that ''Sticker Star'' had and has won several people over (many of whom hated ''Sticker Star'') but a lot of ''Paper Mario'' fans (mostly fans of the first two games that may or may not have a NostalgiaFilter in place) just want the series to go back to the gameplay of the first two games.



* Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto tends to be known for at least four things: creating the Franchise/SuperMarioBros franchise, playing a part in saving the gaming industry after the Crash of 1983, being one of the most influential names in video gaming, [[BreadEggsMilkSquick and his infamous]] ExecutiveMeddling that lead to ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' becoming one of the worst-received Mario games in history, [[AmericansHateTingle especially in the West]]. Merely mentioning Miyamoto anywhere will invariably lead to at least one person complaining about how he "ruined" ''Sticker Star'' and how they never want him to direct another game again. Granted, Miyamoto's suggestion [[note]] having the development team on ''Sticker Star'' focus more on the gameplay rather than the story in an ''RPG''[[/note]] wasn't really the best decision one could make, but the way some people go on about it, you'd think it was the only thing he ever did.

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* Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto tends to be known for at least four things: creating the Franchise/SuperMarioBros franchise, playing a part in saving the gaming industry after the Crash of 1983, being one of the most influential names in video gaming, [[BreadEggsMilkSquick and his infamous]] ExecutiveMeddling that lead to ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' becoming one of the worst-received Mario games in history, [[AmericansHateTingle especially in the West]]. Merely mentioning Miyamoto anywhere will invariably lead to at least one person complaining about how he "ruined" ''Sticker Star'' and how they never want him to direct another game again. Granted, Miyamoto's suggestion [[note]] having the development team on ''Sticker Star'' focus more on the gameplay rather than the story in an ''RPG''[[/note]] wasn't really the best decision one could make, but the way some people go on about it, you'd think it was the only thing he ever did. It does not help that the next three ''Mario'' RPG's continued some of the things that ''Sticker Star'' did.
8th Jan '17 8:06:22 PM eowynjedi
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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'', Bartz has a few comedic moments of [[TheMalaproper malapropism]], other goofiness, and harangues a turtle without realizing it's Sage Ghido so that the Ghido mocks his intelligence for the rest of the game. After he was [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] from "simple" to "simple''ton''" in ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'', fans act as though even Bartz in the orignal game is always acting like a dope when, in truth, he gets his share of OnlySaneMan moments.

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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV''
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Bartz has a few comedic moments of [[TheMalaproper malapropism]], other goofiness, and harangues a turtle without realizing it's Sage Ghido so that the Ghido mocks his intelligence for the rest of the game. After he was [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] from "simple" to "simple''ton''" in ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'', fans act as though even Bartz in the orignal game is always acting like a dope when, in truth, he gets his share of OnlySaneMan moments.moments.
** Lenna being a poison magnet is a running joke among [=FFV=] fans. It's mainly the fact that two of the three instances are of her ''own volition'' that gets people.
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