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* In ''Manga/SaikinImoutoNoYousuGaChottoOkashiindaGa'', the ghost Hiyori Kotobuki often possesses Mitsuki Kanzaki and forces her to masturbate or hit on her own brother Yuya. Sometimes, Hiyori will kiss, fondle, and molest Mitsuki (since Mitsuki can feel her) no matter how many times she says, "Stop" or tries to resist. Mitsuki complains about this a lot. Unconcerned, Hiyori points out that deep down inside, she enjoyed it. Mitsuki will blush and admit it is true.

* A borderline case occurs in ''Film/{{Unfaithful}}'' (the American remake of "La Femme infidèle"); wife Connie Sumner (Diane Lane) is walking out on Paul Martel (Olivier Martinez) to stop her affections from developing further. Martel angrily chases her out of his apartment, slams her against the wall, and starts forcibly kissing and groping her. She struggles at first, then quickly submits [[YourCheatingHeart to her infidelity]].

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-->-- '''Dawn Marie''', ''[[Creator/{{WWE}} Thursday Night Smackdown]]''

* ''{{Speak}}'': Andy Evans pulls this on Melinda in TheClimax, right before trying to rape her. [[spoiler: Again. This time, she kicks his ass.]]

* In ''Film/RobRoy'', [[TimRoth Archie]] (the villain) is speculating on various possible fathers, one of whom "lifted [his mother's] skirts at a masque ball." When Archie's girlfriend, shocked, replies "He ravished her?" Archie simply says "I would put it no higher than surprise." Later on, when Archie rapes the hero's wife, Brian Cox shows up to tell her that it doesn't count as a sin (of adultery) if she didn't enjoy it. Even further on, Archie taunts Rob by musing if Mary enjoyed it somewhat.

* Used in AynRand's ''Literature/TheFountainhead''. In her own words, Ayn Rand declares "If it is rape, then it is rape by engraved invitation." Through the use of subtle advances, the heroine basically does everything an upstanding woman of the 1920s can do to get his attention - without ever explicitly consenting. She repeatedly refers to it as rape after the fact, yet seems to be proud of the experience.

->"You enjoyed it Torrie! Admit it! You enjoyed every second of it! On Sunday night I'm going to show the whole world how much you enjoyed what happened in that hotel room!"

* ''{{Cracker}}'' had a discussion something along the lines of

* In ''Roleplay/SurvivalOfTheFittest'' Version 3, Adam Reeves attempts to justify his rape of Maxie Dasai by asserting that her body's arousal meant that she was into it. It's left ambiguous, but strongly implied that he brought her to orgasm (Reeves himself certainly thought so). [[CompleteMonster He is the only one that thought it was okay]].

There are real people who believe these things make rape into not-rape, or at least make it excusable. The law doesn't see it that way, and a person whose morals really justify violating a person's consent for fun is hardly moral at all, never mind how the victim feels. [[NoRealLifeExamplesPlease Please don't add any real life examples]]; no matter the details, a bullet point on such a topic tends to look as though it's implying the possibility that this trope is true somewhere, some of the time.

* ''Painfully'' deconstructed in ''Manga/SakuraGari'', where we get to see the psychological consequences that such a trope brings on the victim - and arguably, [[spoiler:even on the rapist.]]

* The plot of the 1977 adult film ''{{Joy}}''. The heroine enjoys it so much her enthusiasm [[TooKinkyToTorture scares off the rapist]]. Soon she's indiscriminately doing the same to men all around town. Her male victims are uncertain whether or not they should press charges for the same reason.

* In ''Film/RevengeOfTheNerds,'' Lewis (a nerd) commits RapeByFraud against head-cheerleader Betty by disguising himself as her mean boyfriend, Stan (the quarterback). He reveals himself to her immediately after, she is so overwhelmed by Lewis's sexual expertise that she falls in love with him. This was lampshaded in ''RobotChicken''.

* In the ''HanzoTheRazor'' trilogy of films (starring Shintaro Katsu of the Franchise/{{Zatoichi}} series), the titular policeman interrogates women by raping them until they cannot refuse telling him whatever he wants to know.

* In ''Film/HighPlainsDrifter'', the third thing ClintEastwood's character does after riding into town is to drag off a woman who was harassing him and force himself on her. Halfway through the act she starts kissing him enthusiastically. Later she comes after him with a gun--according to the other characters she was angry because he "didn't come back for more", but given how awful the townspeople are it's debatable how true this statement is.

* In ''PicketFences'', a woman rapes a man, and the police are [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale a bit confused]], also pointing out that he did climax himself.

* ''ThePhantomOfTheOpera'' alludes to this. There has been much debate over what happens between Christine and the Phantom after the lights go out at the conclusion of "Music Of The Night"--and if there WAS sex, it would be rape, as Christine was alternately unconscious/in a trance at the time. When Christine describes the encounter to Raoul, she states that though she is terrified of the Phantom, she is equally drawn to him by his beautiful music. There's also [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation debate]] over whether the Phantom is even physically capable of having sex.

Do not confuse this with VictimFallsForRapist: the latter is about a rape setting up characters as a couple, even though one or both of them, as well as outsiders, know and acknowledge that it was rape. This trope is about the situation where the rapist and/or outsiders deny that it was a rape at all, because the victim became physically aroused or climaxed.

It should also not be confused with "rape ''fantasy''", which is exactly that - a ''fantasy'' situation acted out by two (or more) parties ''with mutual consent''. Just because someone is into this kind of fantasy roleplay does ''not'' mean they are "asking for it."

* One of many rape tropes present in the ''Literature/{{Outlander}}'' series. Jack Randall purposefully alternates between brutal sadism and romantic attentions, in an attempt to elicit a physical response from his male victim, and he succeeds. Jamie is left disturbed, confused, and furious. In another instance, with a female making the advances and without the sadism, Geilis quite clearly takes advantage of Ian during ''Voyager''. Other characters seem ambivalent about this, in what appears to be DeliberateValuesDissonance. We hope.
* In Creator/StephenKing's ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'', as described in the entry for the film.

* This trope makes up the plot of [[Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia the song "Nightman,"]] but [[DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale don't try to tell Charlie that]].

* ''VideoGame/EmbricOfWulfhammersCastle'' sees the Duchess raped by a woman; she acknowledges that it was rape, and does accuse Carmina of raping her, but the fact that she enjoyed it (and doesn't mind describing it in erotic detail for her maid to arouse herself with later) is [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnFemale just]] [[VictimFallsForRapist one]] [[MindRape of the]] [[AllJustADream mitigating]] [[GirlOnGirlIsHot factors]] [[YuriGenre involved]].

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* While there was no actual sex, there was a somewhat arguable example in ''Webcomic/{{Collar 6}}''. Sixx drugged Laura without her knowledge, and had Ginger molest her. Even though Laura was already in a submissive relationship with Sixx, this led to a DudeNotFunny reaction, and eventually the author had Sixx apologize, and realize that what she'd been doing was wrong.
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* A weird example in another King book, ''TheDarkTower/TheWastelands.'' An incubus doesn't ''want'' to rape Susannah if she's enjoying it. At first it overpowers her and forces itself upon her painfully, but when she pretends to like it, it tries to get away.

* ''[[TheZerothLawOfTropeExamples The Rape of Lucreze]]''. Where it's debated whether a rape victim is pure or not, if the victim might have enjoyed it. Only through [[DrivenToSuicide killing]] [[RedemptionEqualsDeath herself]] is the stain removed. Yeah, [[ValuesDissonance there's a reason this one isn't talked about as much as Shakespeare's other works.]]

* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': In the fifth book, Asha Greyjoy is seemingly raped by one of her crewmen. Halfway through the scene it becomes clear that she enjoys it and that the seeming rapist is her long-time lover. Apparently she considers this par for the course in their relationship; but then, she is a famed pirate in a very misogynistic setting.

* Perhaps most controversially used in Sam Peckinpah's ''StrawDogs'', in which the unfulfilled wife of a nebbish professor is raped by her brawny former boyfriend and, midway through, begins to enjoy it due to her lingering affection for the man.
* Similarly in the Russ Meyer film ''Lorna'' the titular character is raped by an escaped convict and starts to enjoy it. She subsequently invites the man back to her home for sex.

* In ''TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', Frank N. Furter sleeps with [[spoiler:both Brad and Janet]]. To do this, he disguises himself as the other character and gets frisky. When the disguises come off, they initially object, then give in.

* Also shows up in ''DoctorZhivago'':

* In ''RevengeOfTheNerds,'' Lewis (a nerd) commits RapeByFraud against head-cheerleader Betty by disguising himself as her mean boyfriend, Stan (the quarterback). He reveals himself to her immediately after, she is so overwhelmed by Lewis's sexual expertise that she falls in love with him. This was lampshaded in ''RobotChicken''.
* In ''{{Gone with the Wind}},'' Rhett Butler rapes his wife Scarlett, but the next day she's blushing blissfully about it. This also counts as ValuesDissonance since the idea of [[MaritalRapeLicense marital rape being a crime]] is a very new concept and was not around at the time the book or movie were made.
* In the ''{{Hanzo the Razor}}'' trilogy of films (starring Shintaro Katsu of the {{Zatoichi}} series), the titular policeman interrogates women by raping them until they cannot refuse telling him whatever he wants to know.
* In ''RobRoy'', [[TimRoth Archie]] (the villain) is speculating on various possible fathers, one of whom "lifted [his mother's] skirts at a masque ball." When Archie's girlfriend, shocked, replies "He ravished her?" Archie simply says "I would put it no higher than surprise." Later on, when Archie rapes the hero's wife, Brian Cox shows up to tell her that it doesn't count as a sin (of adultery) if she didn't enjoy it. Even further on, Archie taunts Rob by musing if Mary enjoyed it somewhat.
* In ''HighPlainsDrifter'', the third thing ClintEastwood's character does after riding into town is to drag off a woman who was harassing him and force himself on her. Halfway through the act she starts kissing him enthusiastically. Later she comes after him with a gun--according to the other characters she was angry because he "didn't come back for more", but given how awful the townspeople are it's debatable how true this statement is.
* ''The Killer Inside Me'': Joyce starts hitting Lou, Lou hits her back, and then shoves her down on the bed and starts beating her with his belt. It's awful... until he apologizes, looking shocked at himself, and she tells him it's OK and kisses him. They then begin an S&M relationship.
* A borderline case occurs in ''Unfaithful'' (the American remake of "La Femme infidèle"); wife Connie Sumner (Diane Lane) is walking out on Paul Martel (Olivier Martinez) to stop her affections from developing further. Martel angrily chases her out of his apartment, slams her against the wall, and starts forcibly kissing and groping her. She struggles at first, then quickly submits [[YourCheatingHeart to her infidelity]].
* In ''LustCaution'', the heroine ends up falling in love with the man she's been ordered to sleep with and whose idea of intimacy is to take her by force.
* In ''{{Dreamscape}}'', people have the ability to visit other people's dreamworlds while they're asleep by way of psychic abilities. Alex uses this trope as his rationalization for covertly inserting himself into Jane's dreams to make her think she was having a sex fantasy about him, rather than making out with the real life person. The fact that she enjoyed herself doesn't negate the fact that he just basically raped her (MindRape?), as she was in no position to give informed consent.

* Used in AynRand's ''TheFountainhead''. In her own words, Ayn Rand declares "If it is rape, then it is rape by engraved invitation." Through the use of subtle advances, the heroine basically does everything an upstanding woman of the 1920s can do to get his attention - without ever explicitly consenting. She repeatedly refers to it as rape after the fact, yet seems to be proud of the experience.
* Tylin to Mat in ''{{The Wheel of Time}}''. A truly horrifying example in which the victim keeps on seeking help from his (female) friends who are awesomely powerful mages that owe him their lives... and they laugh at him, telling him he "deserves" to be repeatedly raped (for offenses which include having been a flirt in his teenage years, and the aforementioned ''saving their lives''). It is only after he has had a personal breakdown from these events, recovered from it, escaped (saving his ingrateful alleged "friends" once again), and several other events have happened that someone gives the women in question a WhatTheHellHero speech and makes them apologize... [[IgnoredEpiphany which they use as simply another opportunity to insult Mat.]]

* In Creator/StephenKing's ''{{Carrie}}'', as described in the entry for the film.

* ''{{Gone with the Wind}}''.
* Subverted in ''KushielsLegacy''. Several times, Phedre has been placed in situations where she has been forced into sex with another person. She mentions the worst part of the experience is always the humiliation of enjoying it.

* In VCAndrews' ''FlowersInTheAttic'', [[spoiler: after Christopher begs Cathy to forgive him for raping her, she comforts him by insisting that she wanted it just as much as he did and could've stopped him if she'd wanted to. However, in the description of the rape itself Cathy describes having initially tried to fight him off, but that "It wasn't much of a battle" because of his greater weight and height (a sentiment she follows, however, almost immediately with "And I loved him"). Factor in that the two are brother and sister and the whole event becomes even more distressing.]]
* Invoked in the ''Hurog'' series by Patricia Briggs, Ward is very uncomfortable discussing what happened to him while he was a prisoner. Another character reassures him that he shouldn't feel guilty or question his sexuality; rape is rape, no matter if his body enjoyed it or not.
* ''How Like a God'' almost hits this trope, but the protagonist has just enough decency left to reconsider. (It helps that [[MindControl the issue of consent's even iffier here than normal]].)
* ''ASongOfIceAndFire'': In the fifth book, Asha Greyjoy is seemingly raped by one of her crewmen. Halfway through the scene it becomes clear that she enjoys it and that the seeming rapist is her long-time lover. Apparently she considers this par for the course in their relationship; but then, she is a famed pirate in a very misogynistic setting.
* One of the most disconcerting parts about ''Push'': Precious recalls her father raping her and vividly remembers enjoying it in parts, despite the awful shame and self-loathing that came with it (not to mention the two [[IncestisRelative pregnancies]]).
* Played disturbingly straight (despite AliensMadeThemDoIt, and all the ''more'' so for the fact that they end up as an OfficialCouple) in ''{{Stardoc}}'' with [[spoiler:Cherijo and Duncan]]. And again in ''Bio Rescue'' (in the same '[[TheVerse verse]], but not the same series) with [[spoiler:[[OurMermaidsAreDifferent Dair and Onkar]]]]...only without AliensMadeThemDoIt, [[spoiler:and with the addition of [[ChildByRape its resulting in pregnancy]]]].
* Near the end of ''OneHundredYearsOfSolitude'', the latest Aureliano is unable to cope with his attraction to Amaranta Ursula, who is his aunt and who he believes to be his sister, and rapes her while her husband is in the other room. She tries to fight him off at first, but ends up enjoying it so much that her feelings of love are transferred from her husband over to him.

* This trope is often {{discussed| trope}} on ''LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'', especially when there are male rape victims. "Arousal is not consent", or words to that effect, are often heard in these situations. Specific examples include:

* This trope makes up the plot of [[ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia the song "Nightman,"]] but [[DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale don't try to tell Charlie that]].

* ''RescueMe'''s third season episode "Sparks" features Tommy in an argument with his ex-wife over the ownership of some property, all of which Tommy insists are his and basically tells his ex-wife "You're mine", and forces himself on her, she fights for a while but eventually enjoys it. Cue outrage.

* ''{{The Phantom of the Opera}}'' alludes to this. There has been much debate over what happens between Christine and the Phantom after the lights go out at the conclusion of "Music Of The Night"--and if there WAS sex, it would be rape, as Christine was alternately unconscious/in a trance at the time. When Christine describes the encounter to Raoul, she states that though she is terrified of the Phantom, she is equally drawn to him by his beautiful music. There's also [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation debate]] over whether the Phantom is even physically capable of having sex.

* ''EmbricOfWulfhammersCastle'' sees the Duchess raped by a woman; she acknowledges that it was rape, and does accuse Carmina of raping her, but the fact that she enjoyed it (and doesn't mind describing it in erotic detail for her maid to arouse herself with later) is [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnFemale just]] [[VictimFallsForRapist one]] [[MindRape of the]] [[AllJustADream mitigating]] [[GirlOnGirlIsHot factors]] [[YuriGenre involved]].

* The first variation is used in ''DeptHeavenApocrypha'' when the villain [[InvokedTrope makes sure a character he's raping climaxes]], then uses it to [[MindRape torture that character mentally]]. The scene is played for horror, and shortly after, the victim loses his mind completely. The results are not pretty.
* In ''SurvivalOfTheFittest'' Version 3, Adam Reeves attempts to justify his rape of Maxie Dasai by asserting that her body's arousal meant that she was into it. It's left ambiguous, but strongly implied that he brought her to orgasm (Reeves himself certainly thought so). [[CompleteMonster He is the only one that thought it was okay]].

'''NoRealLifeExamplesPlease'''

* While there was no actual sex, there was a somewhat arguable example in ''{{Collar 6}}''. Sixx drugged Laura without her knowledge, and had Ginger molest her. Even though Laura was already in a submissive relationship with Sixx, this led to a DudeNotFunny reaction, and eventually the author had Sixx apologize, and realize that what she'd been doing was wrong.

%%% No real life, please

* This is literally the rapist Dean's defense when Paige Michalchuk sues him for rape in ''DegrassiTheNextGeneration''.
--->'''Dean's Lawyer''': And you find my client attractive?
--->'''Paige''': (hesitating) Yes. I did. Before.
--->'''Dean's Lawyer''':My client put his hand inside your blouse, did you immediately reject him? Slap him? For the record, please.
--->'''Paige''': No.
--->'''Dean's Lawyer''': This is very difficult for you I know, but when my client touched your breast how did you respond? Did you enjoy it?
--->'''Paige''': (hesitating) No. Well, at first...yeah.
--->'''Dean's Lawyer''': You're telling us that you did. Ms. Michalchuk.
* The defense used by the people who run the Dollhouse in ''{{Dollhouse}}'' is that when Actives are sent on romantic engagements, they genuinely love the clients and willingly have sex with them, having no idea that they've been hired out rather than being in long-term relationships with the clients or that their own memories and personalities are constructs. Agent Ballard disagrees, of course, and feels terrible about sleeping with [[spoiler:Mellie]] after learning that she's an Active. He also refuses to have sex with Echo, a self-aware Active who has integrated her imprint personalities, because he doesn't think it's right while her original personality, Caroline, is still missing.

* {{Cracker}} had a discussion something along the lines of

* The first variation is used in ''DeptHeavenApocrypha'' when the villain [[InvokedTrope makes sure a character he's raping climaxes]], then uses it to [[MindRape torture that character mentally]]. The scene is played for NightmareFuel, and shortly after, the victim loses his mind completely. The results are not pretty.

* The NeverwinterNights mod series The Bastard of Kosigan has a couple of scenes that can play out this way. If the player has a high enough Charisma and chooses the violent rape option with Diane in the forest north of Cologne, the following text is something along the lines of "she is a lot less reluctant than she should be."
* EmbricOfWulfhammersCastle sees the Duchess raped by a woman; she acknowledges that it was rape, and does accuse Carmina of raping her, but the fact that she enjoyed it (and doesn't mind describing it in erotic detail for her maid to arouse herself with later) is [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnFemale just]] [[VictimFallsForRapist one]] [[MindRape of the]] [[AllJustADream mitigating]] [[GirlOnGirlIsHot factors]] [[YuriGenre involved]].

* ''BattleVixens'', the "[[{{Macekre}} translation]]" of ''IkkiTousen'' had the line "It's not rape if you smile behind the tears." This was not in the original version..

* ''Painfully'' deconstructed in ''SakuraGari'', where we get to see the psychological consequences that such a trope brings on the victim - and arguably, [[spoiler: even on the rapist.]]
* Invoked in ''WolfGuyWolfenCrest''. [[spoiler: While he and his Yakuza goons are gang-raping Aoshika-sensei, Haguro Dou forcibly gives her a PsychoSerum that causes her to physically enjoy herself, in an attempt to break her further than he already has.]]
* In YosugaNoSora, Nao rapes Haruka while they're young teens. Afterwards she begins putting her clothes back on, while he's still sort of on his back apparently not knowing what to do. Later he chases after her, and although she feels ashamed, he tells her he enjoyed it.

* From the ''{{Discworld}}'':

* In ''TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', Frank N. Furter sleeps with [[spoiler: both Brad and Janet]]. To do this, he disguises himself as the other character and gets frisky. When the disguises come off, they initially object, then give in.

* In ''MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian'', after Brian discovers his father was a Roman:

* In ''{{Revenge of the Nerds}},'' Lewis (a nerd) commits RapeByFraud against head-cheerleader Betty by disguising himself as her mean boyfriend, Stan (the quarterback). He reveals himself to her immediately after, she is so overwhelmed by Lewis's sexual expertise that she falls in love with him. This was lampshaded in ''RobotChicken''.

* In StephenKing's ''{{Carrie}}'', as described in the entry for the film.

* This trope is [[DiscussedTrope often discussed]] on ''LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'', especially when there are male rape victims. "Arousal is not consent", or words to that effect, are often heard in these situations. Specific examples include: