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26th May '16 3:55:04 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Film/RobRoy'', [[TimRoth Archie]] (the villain) is speculating on various possible fathers, one of whom "lifted [his mother's] skirts at a masque ball." When Archie's girlfriend, shocked, replies "He ravished her?" Archie simply says "I would put it no higher than surprise." Later on, when Archie rapes the hero's wife, Brian Cox shows up to tell her that it doesn't count as a sin (of adultery) if she didn't enjoy it. Even further on, Archie taunts Rob by musing if Mary enjoyed it somewhat.

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* In ''Film/RobRoy'', [[TimRoth [[Creator/TimRoth Archie]] (the villain) is speculating on various possible fathers, one of whom "lifted [his mother's] skirts at a masque ball." When Archie's girlfriend, shocked, replies "He ravished her?" Archie simply says "I would put it no higher than surprise." Later on, when Archie rapes the hero's wife, Brian Cox shows up to tell her that it doesn't count as a sin (of adultery) if she didn't enjoy it. Even further on, Archie taunts Rob by musing if Mary enjoyed it somewhat.
29th Dec '15 8:11:13 PM Willbyr
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* Used in AynRand's ''Literature/TheFountainhead''. In her own words, Ayn Rand declares "If it is rape, then it is rape by engraved invitation." Through the use of subtle advances, the heroine basically does everything an upstanding woman of the 1920s can do to get his attention - without ever explicitly consenting. She repeatedly refers to it as rape after the fact, yet seems to be proud of the experience.

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* Used in AynRand's Creator/AynRand's ''Literature/TheFountainhead''. In her own words, Ayn Rand declares "If it is rape, then it is rape by engraved invitation." Through the use of subtle advances, the heroine basically does everything an upstanding woman of the 1920s can do to get his attention - without ever explicitly consenting. She repeatedly refers to it as rape after the fact, yet seems to be proud of the experience.


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* In ''Literature/{{Hunted}}'', when Zoey calls Stark on trying to rape a fledgling, he says that, given five more minutes under his mind control, "she would have been all over [him]". Zoey doesn't buy it.
7th Oct '15 6:16:03 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Ana has a number of orgasms during the rape in Chapter 12 of ''Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey''. This is presented as equalling consent. Apparently Ana's unaware that orgasm can happen during rape—or that it doesn't mean that you've consented to anything. This is also Christian Grey's rationalization in Chapter 16 after he spanks and then screws Ana as punishment for daring to roll her eyes at him, despite Ana telling him repeatedly that, whatever her physical response, she "didn't like it" and "would rather that [he] didn't do it again."
25th Sep '15 1:23:50 PM SeptimusHeap
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->"You enjoyed it Torrie! Admit it! You enjoyed every second of it! On Sunday night I'm going to show the whole world how much you enjoyed what happened in that hotel room!"

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->"You ->"''You enjoyed it Torrie! Admit it! You enjoyed every second of it! On Sunday night I'm going to show the whole world how much you enjoyed what happened in that hotel room!"room!''"
4th Dec '14 12:49:02 PM SeptimusHeap
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* ''{{Cracker}}'' had a discussion something along the lines of

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* ''{{Cracker}}'' ''Series/{{Cracker}}'' had a discussion something along the lines of
26th Oct '14 1:10:45 AM SeptimusHeap
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* In ''Roleplay/SurvivalOfTheFittest'' Version 3, Adam Reeves attempts to justify his rape of Maxie Dasai by asserting that her body's arousal meant that she was into it. It's left ambiguous, but strongly implied that he brought her to orgasm (Reeves himself certainly thought so). [[CompleteMonster He is the only one that thought it was okay]].

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* In ''Roleplay/SurvivalOfTheFittest'' Version 3, Adam Reeves attempts to justify his rape of Maxie Dasai by asserting that her body's arousal meant that she was into it. It's left ambiguous, but strongly implied that he brought her to orgasm (Reeves himself certainly thought so). [[CompleteMonster He is the only one that thought it was okay]].okay.
30th Jun '14 7:42:41 PM Willbyr
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There are real people who believe these things make rape into not-rape, or at least make it excusable. The law doesn't see it that way, and a person whose morals really justify violating a person's consent for fun is hardly moral at all, never mind how the victim feels. [[NoRealLifeExamplesPlease Please don't add any real life examples]]; no matter the details, a bullet point on such a topic tends to look as though it's implying the possibility that this trope is true somewhere, some of the time.

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There are real people who believe these things make rape into not-rape, or at least make it excusable. The law doesn't see it that way, and a person whose morals really justify violating a person's consent for fun is hardly moral at all, never mind how the victim feels. [[NoRealLifeExamplesPlease Please don't add any real life examples]]; no matter the details, a bullet point on such a topic tends to look as though it's implying the possibility that this trope is true somewhere, some of the time.\n
9th Mar '14 8:55:12 AM Willbyr
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* ''Painfully'' deconstructed in ''Manga/SakuraGari'', where we get to see the psychological consequences that such a trope brings on the victim - and arguably, [[spoiler:even on the rapist.]]

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* ''Painfully'' deconstructed Deconstructed in ''Manga/SakuraGari'', where we get to see the psychological consequences that such a trope brings on the victim - and arguably, [[spoiler:even on the rapist.]]


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* In ''Manga/SaikinImoutoNoYousuGaChottoOkashiindaGa'', the ghost Hiyori Kotobuki often possesses Mitsuki Kanzaki and forces her to masturbate or hit on her own brother Yuya. Sometimes, Hiyori will kiss, fondle, and molest Mitsuki (since Mitsuki can feel her) no matter how many times she says, "Stop" or tries to resist. Mitsuki complains about this a lot. Unconcerned, Hiyori points out that deep down inside, she enjoyed it. Mitsuki will blush and admit it is true.
11th Feb '14 6:05:57 AM Telcontar
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* The plot of the 1977 adult film ''{{Joy}}''. The heroine enjoys it so much her enthusiasm [[TooKinkyToTorture scares off the rapist]]. Soon she's indiscriminately doing the same to men all around town. Her male victims are uncertain whether or not they should press charges for the same reason.

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* The plot of the 1977 adult film ''{{Joy}}''.''Film/{{Joy}}''. The heroine enjoys it so much her enthusiasm [[TooKinkyToTorture scares off the rapist]]. Soon she's indiscriminately doing the same to men all around town. Her male victims are uncertain whether or not they should press charges for the same reason.



* In ''Film/RevengeOfTheNerds,'' Lewis (a nerd) commits RapeByFraud against head-cheerleader Betty by disguising himself as her mean boyfriend, Stan (the quarterback). He reveals himself to her immediately after, she is so overwhelmed by Lewis's sexual expertise that she falls in love with him. This was lampshaded in ''RobotChicken''.

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* In ''Film/RevengeOfTheNerds,'' Lewis (a nerd) commits RapeByFraud against head-cheerleader Betty by disguising himself as her mean boyfriend, Stan (the quarterback). He reveals himself to her immediately after, she is so overwhelmed by Lewis's sexual expertise that she falls in love with him. This was lampshaded in ''RobotChicken''.''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken''.



* In the ''HanzoTheRazor'' trilogy of films (starring Shintaro Katsu of the Franchise/{{Zatoichi}} series), the titular policeman interrogates women by raping them until they cannot refuse telling him whatever he wants to know.

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* In the ''HanzoTheRazor'' ''Film/HanzoTheRazor'' trilogy of films (starring Shintaro Katsu of the Franchise/{{Zatoichi}} series), the titular policeman interrogates women by raping them until they cannot refuse telling him whatever he wants to know.



* In ''Film/HighPlainsDrifter'', the third thing ClintEastwood's character does after riding into town is to drag off a woman who was harassing him and force himself on her. Halfway through the act she starts kissing him enthusiastically. Later she comes after him with a gun--according to the other characters she was angry because he "didn't come back for more", but given how awful the townspeople are it's debatable how true this statement is.

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* In ''Film/HighPlainsDrifter'', the third thing ClintEastwood's Creator/ClintEastwood's character does after riding into town is to drag off a woman who was harassing him and force himself on her. Halfway through the act she starts kissing him enthusiastically. Later she comes after him with a gun--according to the other characters she was angry because he "didn't come back for more", but given how awful the townspeople are it's debatable how true this statement is.



* In ''PicketFences'', a woman rapes a man, and the police are [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale a bit confused]], also pointing out that he did climax himself.

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* In ''PicketFences'', ''Series/PicketFences'', a woman rapes a man, and the police are [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale a bit confused]], also pointing out that he did climax himself.



* ''ThePhantomOfTheOpera'' alludes to this. There has been much debate over what happens between Christine and the Phantom after the lights go out at the conclusion of "Music Of The Night"--and if there WAS sex, it would be rape, as Christine was alternately unconscious/in a trance at the time. When Christine describes the encounter to Raoul, she states that though she is terrified of the Phantom, she is equally drawn to him by his beautiful music. There's also [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation debate]] over whether the Phantom is even physically capable of having sex.

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* ''ThePhantomOfTheOpera'' ''Theatre/ThePhantomOfTheOpera'' alludes to this. There has been much debate over what happens between Christine and the Phantom after the lights go out at the conclusion of "Music Of The Night"--and if there WAS sex, it would be rape, as Christine was alternately unconscious/in a trance at the time. When Christine describes the encounter to Raoul, she states that though she is terrified of the Phantom, she is equally drawn to him by his beautiful music. There's also [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation debate]] over whether the Phantom is even physically capable of having sex.
31st Dec '13 9:43:49 PM Willbyr
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->"You enjoyed it Torrie! Admit it! You enjoyed every second of it! On Sunday night I'm going to show the whole world how much you enjoyed what happened in that hotel room!"
-->-- '''Dawn Marie''', ''[[Creator/{{WWE}} Thursday Night Smackdown]]''
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