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11th Mar '16 2:29:32 AM Morgenthaler
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* ComicBook/HarleyQuinn comes off as AmbiguouslyJewish in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' but is canonically Jewish in the comics. In one scene, where ComicBook/PoisonIvy shows disapproval over getting a Christmas tree in the comic version of the scene Ivy explicitly notes that Harley is Jewish. In the cartoon version the line doesn't exist.
11th Mar '16 2:26:01 AM Morgenthaler
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* Averted thoroughly in the Franchise/StargateVerse: the characters certainly do their mythological homework, and gods and godlings from virtually every pantheon, including Judeo-Christian-Islam, are either name-checked or attributed to {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s.
** One episode in Sokar's season in the spotlight (4th?) had him posing as Satan to control some primitive screwheads he'd grabbed from Medieval Europe. They were very careful to have Teal'c claim he didn't think a Goa'uld would ever act like capital-G God, though. (This may also have something to do with the ''other'' Goa'uld likely not taking kindly to any such attempts, of course. After all, there's that pesky "you shall have no other gods beside me" business...)
*** Another episode featuring Sokar shows that he's turned the moon of his empire's capital into a facsimile of {{Hell}}. Basically, he acted as composite of the Egyptian god Seker and the Biblical Satan.
* Averted in Season 4 of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''. Throughout the series, there had been demons (usually using the names of Biblical demons), but no sign of any angels or any reference to God. Then, suddenly, there's not only Castiel, but the fact that he tells Dean that ''God himself'' commanded he be [[spoiler:brought back to life]]. Sure, some of the mythology is changed (66 seals must be broken for [[spoiler:Lucifer to be unleashed]]), but the show doesn't shy away from using real world religion.
* Obvious aversions: Shows like ''Series/{{Reaper}}'' or ''Series/JoanOfArcadia'', which explicitly feature {{Satan}} or {{God}} (respectively) as major characters and speak openly about Christian lore.



* ''TabletopGame/{{Scion}}''
** Averted. All of the Gods and Titans that show up are given their proper names from mythology. No monotheistic religions appear. Some still active religions are used, either Asian (Hindu pantheon, Japanese shintoism, a little traditional Chinese) or traditional European (Asatrú, Religio Romana, Celtic Heathenry, Slavic Heathenry and Druidism).
** It's heavily implied that the titan Aten is, in fact, [[GodIsEvil the inspiration for the Abrahamic god]]. His servants even look like angels. Moreover, an AncientConspiracy called The Order of the Divine Glory apparently runs all of the currently existing monotheistic religions from behind the scenes, and are behind the classic Catholic technique of [[HijackedByJesus sublimating other religious practices into their religion]]... all in an attempt to use the power of fatebinding to sublimate all gods, just as they did for [[{{God}} the Sumerian storm god they already succeeded in enslaving]].
* Also Averted in earlier editions of Fantasy Games Unlimited's Chivalry & Sorcery. The primary religious pantheon was basically medieval Catholicism.
** Priest characters had ranks that range from Friar up through Pope (with separate progression tables for Ordained vs Non-ordained). While clerics could not wield {{Magick}}, they could ask for Blessings. The Pope even has one called [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Crusade]].
** The demons also followed classical hierarchy, right up (down) to named powers and the Big Bad [[{{Satan}} himself]].



* The ''Rugrats'' sequel series ''WesternAnimation/AllGrownUp'' averts this in its ChristmasEpisode. It's themed around Chuckie having a spiritual crisis after stealing a Christmas tree, and Lil mentions God by name.



* Averted in ''WesternAnimation/ACharlieBrownChristmas'' when Linus quotes Bible versues to show the TrueMeaningOfChristmas.
11th Mar '16 2:19:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* In TheDCU, it's established that (most) pantheons are pretty much one and the same. Sentient entities play similar roles throughout in some cases. So the creators are free to go with some made up Religion or right into Catholicism. Both happen a lot. Similarly, Hell is full of classic mythology and made up characters. Power struggles happen constantly, with various demonic horrors fighting/displacing/killing mythological beings or made up characters. To cap it off, DC comics even had Hell overrunning Heaven. Heaven got better.
** And then there's [[Creator/VertigoComics Vertigo]]. Among other things, [[spoiler: God is replaced by a teenage girl]]. It's probably best to just [[ExiledFromContinuity not talk about that]] though.
** ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' establishes that there does exist an all-powerful, omnipotent creator in the DC (or at least Vertigo) verse. He never appears or intervenes with the plot, but Lucifer brings him up a few times.

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* In TheDCU, Franchise/TheDCU, it's established that (most) pantheons are pretty much one and the same. Sentient entities play similar roles throughout in some cases. So the creators are free to go with some made up Religion or right into Catholicism. Both happen a lot. Similarly, Hell is full of classic mythology and made up characters. Power struggles happen constantly, with various demonic horrors fighting/displacing/killing mythological beings or made up characters. To cap it off, DC comics even had Hell overrunning Heaven. Heaven got better.
** * And then there's [[Creator/VertigoComics Vertigo]]. Among other things, [[spoiler: God is replaced by a teenage girl]]. It's probably best to just [[ExiledFromContinuity not talk about that]] though.
** * ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' establishes that there does exist an all-powerful, omnipotent creator in the DC (or at least Vertigo) verse. He never appears or intervenes with the plot, but Lucifer brings him up a few times.



** The ComicBook/FantasticFour met the One-Above-All (in other words, God) in one adventure. It [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith took the form]] of Creator/JackKirby.
** He also gave Spider-Man a much-needed pep talk right before ComicBook/OneMoreDay.
*** The One-Above-All in general is just an AuthorAvatar of whoever is writing the story at the time, but he is a meta representation that reminds the comic book characters that they're still fictional, and can be [[StatusQuoIsGod reset]] if needed, no matter what they do to the multiverse inside the story.



** This is much more the case in the film. While the books do use those terms, they are used alongside and together with real world religious terminology (The Authority being a curious exception).
*** The idea here being, presumably, that [[spoiler: The Authority is ''not'', in fact, God (with the capital G)]]. Instead, the Authority is [[spoiler: the character appearing in the bible but it is merely the first angel to come into existence, who thereafter claimed to have created everything. The author leaves the possible existence of a real Creator unclear, but notes that if such a Creator exists, He or She has never made His/Her presence known, or overridden the claims of "The Authority". The Authority however is expressly identified as the being ]]. This concept is OlderThanFeudalism, as it's one of the central tenets of {{Gnosticism}}.



** While the actual religious practices are not elaborated on in detail, the [[spoiler:Bright Shiners become major players in the latter parts of the story. The ''Eighth'' Bright Shiner, who refused to take part in creating Charter Magic and stayed on the sidelines when the Seven were opposed by the ''Ninth'', turns out to be Mogget -- and not a nice guy, should he ever become '''Un'''sealed Evil From A Can...and then he was unsealed and on learning that #9 was trying for TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt), decided "Screw that, I like the world dammit.]]



* Parodied in the ''Literature/ThursdayNext'' books with the invention of the GSD Church - Global Standard Deity. Essentially a mishmash of all world religions, in which pretty much anybody can believe anything they want about it.
** Even further parodied as the books go on; Joffy's stories about his work make it clear that the Church of the GSD splits into thousands of bickering factions soon after it is created, essentially reverting religion back to the way it was before.
** In ''The Woman Who Died a Lot'', Joffy decides to put his foot down with God; unless He starts answering some questions, they will transfer their belief to another god, creating a CrystalDragonJesus. God answers with some smiting.

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* Parodied in the ''Literature/ThursdayNext'' books with the invention of the GSD Church - Global Standard Deity. Essentially a mishmash of all world religions, in which pretty much anybody can believe anything they want about it.
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it. Even further parodied as the books go on; Joffy's stories about his work make it clear that the Church of the GSD splits into thousands of bickering factions soon after it is created, essentially reverting religion back to the way it was before.
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before. In ''The Woman Who Died a Lot'', Joffy decides to put his foot down with God; unless He starts answering some questions, they will transfer their belief to another god, creating a CrystalDragonJesus. God answers with some smiting.



** On the other hand, it's made pretty obvious that the Lone Power is {{Satan}} (without ever explicitly saying so), a few line explicitly compare the Powers to Abrahamic angels, and the Power whose duties/role closely match that of the archangel Michael is referred to as "Mike" by the Lone Power.
*** These facts are explicitly stated within the series. The Lone Power refers to himself as "the star of the morning" (ie: the morning-star, Lucifer) in one book, Nina goes to a church to pray to the One in another, and the Archangel Michael (who was also, apparently, Athena and Thor) shows up in one of the endings.



* The Dresden Files started out like this stating that "every believe is true somwhere in the Nehternehter" and what fuels the power of religious beings is the amount of worship and the legends build around them, further down the series it transforms in to "every religion is true but Christianity is truer" stating that the White God which had a son that died on a tree is the most powerful being and his angels (or more accurately archangel) are the most powerful beings we have seen to date.

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* The Dresden Files ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' started out like this stating that "every believe is true somwhere in the Nehternehter" and what fuels the power of religious beings is the amount of worship and the legends build around them, further down the series it transforms in to "every religion is true but Christianity is truer" stating that the White God which had a son that died on a tree is the most powerful being and his angels (or more accurately archangel) are the most powerful beings we have seen to date.



* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' only mentions that Willow is Jewish in passing, and pretty much glosses over religion entirely after that. The bad guys are evil, many are in fact demons (or gods, in the case of Glory), but none of them cite references from the Bible or Qur'an on their resumes. (A few early examples do come from existing Christian tradition, though.) At one point, Buffy dies and goes to heaven; there are various points of view as to what the theological implications of this are for her and the series.
** However, crosses and holy water and the Bible do damage vampires.

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'':
** The show
only mentions that Willow is Jewish in passing, and pretty much glosses over religion entirely after that. The bad guys are evil, many are in fact demons (or gods, in the case of Glory), but none of them cite references from the Bible or Qur'an on their resumes. (A few early examples do come from existing Christian tradition, though.) At one point, Buffy dies and goes to heaven; there are various points of view as to what the theological implications of this are for her and the series.
** However, crosses and holy water and the Bible do damage vampires.
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*** Actually, that group was more fluffy bunny than actual Wicca, but still closer than the Buffy version.
** If one were to class vampires as demons (technically correct, by the show's mythology), then many of them claim to have been present at the Crucifixion. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Spike, who pointed out that if every vampire who claimed to be at the Crucifixion actually was, there'd be no room for the crosses. (Such claims are made on account of Buffyverse vampires being StrongerWithAge, so being old enough to have witnessed the Crucifixion would imply considerable age and immense strength.)
** ''Series/{{Angel}}'' was very into the PowersThatBe terminology. It also used similar terminology for evil, with the ultimate BigBad of the whole show simply being "the Senior Partners".

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*** Actually, that group was more fluffy bunny than actual Wicca, but still closer than the Buffy version.
** If one were to class vampires as demons (technically correct, by the show's mythology), then many of them claim to have been present at the Crucifixion. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Spike, who pointed out that if every vampire who claimed to be at the Crucifixion actually was, there'd be no room for the crosses. (Such claims are made on account of Buffyverse vampires being StrongerWithAge, so being old enough to have witnessed the Crucifixion would imply considerable age and immense strength.)
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* ''Series/{{Angel}}'' was very into the PowersThatBe terminology. It also used similar terminology for evil, with the ultimate BigBad of the whole show simply being "the Senior Partners".
19th Jan '16 6:10:25 PM cillianflood
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*** The idea here being, presumably, that [[spoiler: The Authority is ''not'', in fact, God (with the capital G)]]. Instead, the Authority is [[spoiler: revealed to be merely the first angel to come into existence, who thereafter claimed to have created everything. The author leaves the possible existence of a real Creator unclear, but notes that if such a Creator exists, He or She has never made His/Her presence known, or overridden the claims of "The Authority"]]. This concept is OlderThanFeudalism, as it's one of the central tenets of {{Gnosticism}}.

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*** The idea here being, presumably, that [[spoiler: The Authority is ''not'', in fact, God (with the capital G)]]. Instead, the Authority is [[spoiler: revealed to be the character appearing in the bible but it is merely the first angel to come into existence, who thereafter claimed to have created everything. The author leaves the possible existence of a real Creator unclear, but notes that if such a Creator exists, He or She has never made His/Her presence known, or overridden the claims of "The Authority"]].Authority". The Authority however is expressly identified as the being ]]. This concept is OlderThanFeudalism, as it's one of the central tenets of {{Gnosticism}}.
15th Jan '16 12:22:12 PM Anddrix
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Of course, this also makes it easier for us to make sure that OurVampiresAreDifferent, maintain the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil, and come up with a fresh SortingAlgorithmOfEvil. Theology majors and occultists won't be able to complain that we didn't do our homework, because [[ViewersAreMorons we eliminated all that dry scholarly crap in the interest of making our background accessible to the average viewer.]]

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Of course, this also makes it easier for us to make sure that OurVampiresAreDifferent, maintain the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil, and come up with a fresh SortingAlgorithmOfEvil. Theology majors and occultists won't be able to complain that we didn't do our homework, because [[ViewersAreMorons we eliminated all that dry scholarly crap in the interest of making our background accessible to the average viewer.]]
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20th Dec '15 6:49:11 PM pablo360
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* ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' did this with the Dimension of Pain, where hordes of demons are lead by the "Demon King" instead of the Devil, and were opposed by the "Goddess of Goodness" (who the Demon King kept [[SealedGoodInACan locked in his freezer]]). Interestingly enough, Satan ''does'' exist in the ''Sluggy Freelance'' universe, as the father of 18 super-evil kittens. He is in charge of a different dimension, that does not feature as prominently as the Dimensions of Pain and Lame, so more of a case of 'the Devil is offscrene, but a analogue is'. God also made a brief [[TheFaceless Faceless]] appearance, just long enough to give Kiki a dire warning and pee on her head. ''Sluggy Freelance'' is [[WorldOfWeirdness that sort of series]].

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* ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' did this with the Dimension of Pain, where hordes of demons are lead led by the "Demon King" instead of the Devil, and were opposed by the "Goddess of Goodness" (who the Demon King kept [[SealedGoodInACan locked in his freezer]]). Interestingly enough, Satan ''does'' exist in the ''Sluggy Freelance'' universe, as the father of 18 super-evil kittens. He is in charge of a different dimension, that does not feature as prominently as the Dimensions of Pain and Lame, so more of a case of 'the Devil is offscrene, but a analogue is'. God also made a brief [[TheFaceless Faceless]] appearance, just long enough to give Kiki a dire warning and pee on her head. ''Sluggy Freelance'' is [[WorldOfWeirdness that sort of series]].
20th Dec '15 4:22:28 PM nombretomado
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** Interestingly it's completely possible to run a D&D game where the one true faith is Christianity. There are already rules for getting Divine spells from infernal masters, so it's just a matter of taste whether you want to have a pantheon or one true God (possibly including Jesus) and many demonic pretenders or even many good deities serving an Overdeity that is the true god. The latter option is the one taken in TheSilmarillion, explicitly written to be compatible with Catholic dogma. It's worth noting that all of Jesus's miracles can be performed, and in fact outclassed, at high levels by a perfectly mortal cleric. Well, except the dying to cleanse the world of sin one. But you can totally die and come back, if you do the prep work.

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** Interestingly it's completely possible to run a D&D game where the one true faith is Christianity. There are already rules for getting Divine spells from infernal masters, so it's just a matter of taste whether you want to have a pantheon or one true God (possibly including Jesus) and many demonic pretenders or even many good deities serving an Overdeity that is the true god. The latter option is the one taken in TheSilmarillion, ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', explicitly written to be compatible with Catholic dogma. It's worth noting that all of Jesus's miracles can be performed, and in fact outclassed, at high levels by a perfectly mortal cleric. Well, except the dying to cleanse the world of sin one. But you can totally die and come back, if you do the prep work.
16th Dec '15 6:07:33 PM Pichu-kun
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* In the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, especially the Kanto episodes, the original Japanese version had the the characters made several casual references to Heaven, Hell, and God. 4kids either censored them in the English dub or used euphemisms instead. For example in the third episode they changed Satoshi saying "My Pokemon's Heaven is also my Heaven!"" with Kasumi, who hates bug-types, replying with "You guys' Heaven is my Hell." into Ash saying "I love my new little Pokemon!" and Misty replying "It takes a worm to know a worm".

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* In the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, especially the Kanto episodes, the original Japanese version had the the characters made several casual references to Heaven, Hell, and God. 4kids either censored them in the English dub or used euphemisms instead. For example in the third episode they changed Satoshi saying "My Pokemon's Heaven is also my Heaven!"" with Kasumi, who hates bug-types, replying with "You guys' Heaven is my Hell." into Ash saying "I love my new little Pokemon!" and Misty replying "It takes a worm to know a worm". Despite deleting most religious references, Brock mentioned the story of Noah in "Pokemon Shipwreck".
13th Dec '15 2:32:07 PM Pichu-kun
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* In the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, especially the Kanto episodes, the original Japanese version had the the characters made several casual references to Heaven, Hell, and God. 4kids either censored them in the English dub or used euphemisms instead.

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* In the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, especially the Kanto episodes, the original Japanese version had the the characters made several casual references to Heaven, Hell, and God. 4kids either censored them in the English dub or used euphemisms instead. For example in the third episode they changed Satoshi saying "My Pokemon's Heaven is also my Heaven!"" with Kasumi, who hates bug-types, replying with "You guys' Heaven is my Hell." into Ash saying "I love my new little Pokemon!" and Misty replying "It takes a worm to know a worm".
13th Dec '15 2:27:48 PM Pichu-kun
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* In ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' there is a mysterious church-looking building in Hearthome but it is never referred to as such.


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* Averted in ''WesternAnimation/ACharlieBrownChristmas'' when Linus quotes Bible versues to show the TrueMeaningOfChristmas.
* ComicBook/HarleyQuinn comes off as AmbiguouslyJewish in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' but is canonically Jewish in the comics. In one scene, where ComicBook/PoisonIvy shows disapproval over getting a Christmas tree in the comic version of the scene Ivy explicitly notes that Harley is Jewish. In the cartoon version the line doesn't exist.
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