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18th Dec '15 1:26:40 AM Morgenthaler
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* LikeABadassOutOfHell: [[spoiler:Callahan]] has apparently willed herself into and out of hell at least once after dying, if the conversation between herself and [[spoiler:Mack Daddy]] can be taken at face value...and it most likely can.


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* ToHellAndBack: [[spoiler:Callahan]] has apparently willed herself into and out of hell at least once after dying, if the conversation between herself and [[spoiler:Mack Daddy]] can be taken at face value...and it most likely can.
24th Nov '15 1:27:31 PM Willbyr
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** It's hinted early on that Mackenzie's grandmother might have once been a famous demon-slaying paladin. Mackenzie, of course, has never heard of any of it and finds the whole thing ridiculous, even as the evidence continues to mount, [[SkepticismFailure until it's finally confirmed in Y1-422]

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** It's hinted early on that Mackenzie's grandmother might have once been a famous demon-slaying paladin. Mackenzie, of course, has never heard of any of it and finds the whole thing ridiculous, even as the evidence continues to mount, [[SkepticismFailure until it's finally confirmed in Y1-422]Y1-422]].
24th Nov '15 11:01:46 AM Willbyr
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** Well, somewhat averted. The most socially and economically advanced state in the setting (the counterpart to the USA) is a full (not constitutional) monarchy with no concept of civil rights and an economic system based on slavery, and it goes downhill from there. Magic literally cannot be advanced through systematic study because the setting's gods are bastards, and the only reason labor exploitation hasn't become and issue is that mass production really hasn't become a thing yet. Essentially it's still medieval stasis, just of a later, less terrible part of the middle ages than [[TheDirtAges usually depicted]], more akin to the 1300s to 1400s than the 1000s.

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** Well, somewhat averted. The most socially and economically advanced state in the setting (the counterpart to the USA) is a full (not constitutional) monarchy with no concept of civil rights and an economic system based on slavery, and it goes downhill from there. Magic literally cannot be advanced through systematic study because the setting's gods are bastards, and the only reason labor exploitation hasn't become and issue is that mass production really hasn't become a thing yet. Essentially it's still medieval stasis, just of a later, less terrible part of the middle ages than [[TheDirtAges [[TheDungAges usually depicted]], more akin to the 1300s to 1400s than the 1000s.
26th Oct '15 10:56:49 AM Willbyr
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* KarmaHoudini: Amaranth feels that [[spoiler:Barley]] hasn't been appropriately handled by [[spoiler:their goddess, Mother Khaele]], for what amounts to blasphemy for a nymph.
** Except that on this matter Amaranthe is very clearly an UnreliableNarrator, so it's more likely that [[spoiler:wearing clothing]] just isn't as big a deal to Khaele as she thinks it is. Though what actually is a sin under Khaele is hard to tell because she's an [[BlueAndOrangeMorality evil-leaning neutral fertility god]] who shows her love for the land creatures she's responsible for in the form of tidal waves, hurricanes, and plagues.
** It's also implied that her problem with Barley's [[spoiler:rape attempt]], which Amaranthe reacts to with horror, is disapproval over [[spoiler:contact with a half-demon, not the actual rape]], as evidenced by her public frustration with Amaranthe and lack of retaliation against Barley. Basically the person responsible for "karma" is just not remotely on the same page as the reader on morality.

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* KarmaHoudini: If you ask Amaranth, Barley is one, having not been sufficiently punished by their "mother", the fertility goddess Mother Khaele, for [[spoiler:openly wearing clothes, being relatively monogamous, and for attempting to rape Mack]]. However, Amaranth feels that [[spoiler:Barley]] hasn't been appropriately handled by [[spoiler:their goddess, Mother Khaele]], for what amounts to blasphemy for a nymph.
** Except that on this matter Amaranthe is very clearly an UnreliableNarrator, so it's more likely that [[spoiler:wearing clothing]] just
[[UnreliableNarrator isn't as big exactly the best judge]], and it becomes even murkier when we get a deal to closer look at Khaele herself, as she thinks it is. Though what actually is a sin under Khaele is hard to tell because she's an [[BlueAndOrangeMorality evil-leaning neutral fertility god]] who shows her love for the land creatures she's responsible for in the form of tidal waves, hurricanes, and plagues.
** It's also
plagues. Thus, she may just not see these behaviors as being as much an issue as Amaranth does. Also, it's implied that her problem with Barley's [[spoiler:rape attempt]], which Amaranthe Amaranth reacts to with horror, is disapproval over [[spoiler:contact with a half-demon, not the actual rape]], as evidenced by her public frustration with Amaranthe Amaranth and lack of retaliation against Barley. Basically the person responsible for "karma" is just not remotely on the same page as the reader on morality.



* MonsterMash: The story initially appears to be based on this to most readers, though it is not exactly on a voluntary basis. Magisterius University has ''graciously'' established a separate dorm for the non- and part-humans, supposedly to make them feel less pressured to conform to human ways but in actuality at least in part to keep the freaks out of sight. The characters' foibles, both personal and racial, make up a significant part of the series.
** A substantial fraction of the main cast simply moves out of the dorm in the second year, including several second-string cast members who are obviously nonhuman, and don't catch so much as a sarcastic remark in retaliation. Mack herself is physically the most dangerous and potentially uncontrolled superpower-holder on the campus, and considered simply joining a 'human' dorm as an option (meaning she wasn't so much as pressured to live with the other invincible people). It's pretty thoroughly voluntary, [[UnreliableNarrator many characters' insistence]] aside.

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* MonsterMash: The story initially appears to be based on this to most readers, though it is not exactly on a voluntary basis. Magisterius University has ''graciously'' established a separate dorm for the non- and part-humans, supposedly to make them feel less pressured to conform to human ways but in actuality at least in part to keep the freaks out of sight. The characters' foibles, both personal and racial, make up a significant part of the series.
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series. The second year throws a twist into this formula. as a substantial fraction of the main cast simply moves out of the dorm in the second year, Harlowe, including several second-string cast members who are obviously nonhuman, and don't catch so much as a sarcastic remark in retaliation. Mack herself is physically the most dangerous and potentially uncontrolled superpower-holder on the campus, and considered simply joining a 'human' dorm as an option (meaning she wasn't so much as pressured to live with the other invincible people). It's pretty thoroughly voluntary, [[UnreliableNarrator many characters' insistence]] aside.
26th Oct '15 9:55:08 AM Deblin
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** Well, somewhat averted. The most socially and economically advanced state in the setting (the counterpart to the USA) is a full (not constitutional) monarchy with no concept of civil rights and an economic system based on slavery, and it goes downhill from there. Magic literally cannot be advanced through systematic study because the setting's gods are bastards, and the only reason labor exploitation hasn't become and issue is that mass production really hasn't become a thing yet. Essentially it's still medieval stasis, just of a later, less terrible part of the middle ages than [[TheDirtAges usually depicted]], more akin to the 1300s to 1400s than the 1000s.


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** A substantial fraction of the main cast simply moves out of the dorm in the second year, including several second-string cast members who are obviously nonhuman, and don't catch so much as a sarcastic remark in retaliation. Mack herself is physically the most dangerous and potentially uncontrolled superpower-holder on the campus, and considered simply joining a 'human' dorm as an option (meaning she wasn't so much as pressured to live with the other invincible people). It's pretty thoroughly voluntary, [[UnreliableNarrator many characters' insistence]] aside.
24th Oct '15 1:31:39 PM Deblin
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** Except that on this matter Amaranthe is very clearly an UnreliableNarrator, so it's more likely that [[spoiler:wearing clothing]] just isn't as big a deal to Khaele as she thinks it is. Though what actually is a sin under Khaele is hard to tell because she's an [[BlueAndOrangeMorality evil-leaning neutral fertility god]] who shows her love for the land creatures she's responsible for in the form of tidal waves, hurricanes, and plagues.
** It's also implied that her problem with Barley's [[spoiler:rape attempt]], which Amaranthe reacts to with horror, is disapproval over [[spoiler:contact with a half-demon, not the actual rape]], as evidenced by her public frustration with Amaranthe and lack of retaliation against Barley. Basically the person responsible for "karma" is just not remotely on the same page as the reader on morality.
24th Oct '15 1:19:55 PM Deblin
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** The lack of parity is the point of "mixed" melee, and a reference to Dungeons and Dragons mechanics, where weapons all kind of work the same way despite obvious mismatches. Since the setting is explicitly an RPG mechanics universe, those are the rules that apply.
** And the D & D trope itself is a reference to the general melee, an actual historical tournament event where you picked whatever weapon you liked to bring to the massive mock-battle where the last man standing took the prize (not necessarily a WISE tradition, obviously, but a real one).


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** To emphasize how strongly this trope is in play, 10 months of that time is a time-skip in a single update. Roughly three to four months of time has actually passed on-screen. It's even somewhat invoked, with some chapters focusing on things that no sane person would consider 'part of the story' just to maintain the glacial pace, like the characters walking from one doorway to another across the street complaining about lunch being sub-par.
19th Oct '15 9:47:45 AM Deblin
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** Also:
-->Sooni narrated things in her head? That was easily the most ridiculous thing I’d ever heard.
19th Oct '15 9:07:08 AM Willbyr
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** Occasionally taken UpToEleven with adults simply dropping the main characters into life-threatening situations with remarkable power and efficiency, then being immediately ineffectual again when the should by all logic be able to undo the problem just as easily.

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** Occasionally taken UpToEleven with adults simply dropping the main characters into life-threatening situations with remarkable power and efficiency, then being immediately ineffectual again when the they should by all logic be able to undo the problem just as easily.



*** The most over-the-top example is probably when it's revealed that the goddess of reproduction doesn't have a coherent position on abortion. Pretty much the one human behavior she's supposed to govern, and she basically shrugs it off as not worth interfering with and is as obstinately unhelpful in providing guidance as divinely possible.

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*** The most over-the-top example is probably when it's revealed that the goddess of reproduction doesn't have a coherent position on abortion. Pretty much the one human behavior she's supposed to govern, and she basically shrugs it off as not worth interfering with and is as obstinately unhelpful in providing guidance as is divinely possible.



* AdultFear: The first in-setting week of school sees the protagonist raped at least once (or more, depending on your interpretation of fantasy sexual ethics), roped into not one but two sexual subcultures she doesn't remotely understand, has her girlfriend attempt to induct her into a cult (a cult based on things that are scientific fact in the real world, because of rule of funny, but things that are blatantly, obviously not true in universe), and sees her almost kill a fellow student in an introductory lab. At worst a comedy of errors from a teenager's perspective, and obviously she later bounces back or clears up all misconceptions, but imagine being a parent and reading this, and thinking back to the fact that your own children probably didn't call you in the first week of college...

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* AdultFear: The first in-setting week of school sees the protagonist raped at least once (or more, depending on your interpretation of fantasy sexual ethics), roped into not one but two sexual subcultures she doesn't remotely understand, has her girlfriend attempt to induct her into a cult (a cult based on things that are scientific fact in the real world, because of rule of funny, RuleOfFunny, but things that are blatantly, obviously not true in universe), in-universe), and sees her almost kill a fellow student in an introductory lab. At worst a comedy of errors from a teenager's perspective, and obviously she later bounces back or clears up all misconceptions, but imagine being a parent and reading this, and thinking back to the fact that your own children probably didn't call you in the first week of college...



** Additionally, while other forms of magic are shown gradually to have their own dangers, an off-screen incident involving Necromancy is the first actual student death mentioned (it kills several) and the slain students are simply "recycled" for parts without comment by the Necromancy faculty, which is exceptionally sociopathic even for the serial's already somewhat-insane standards of adult behavior and treated as expected by everyone else, even when other deaths and even general danger is often played up by campus authorities and other students to the hilt.

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** Additionally, while other forms of magic are shown gradually to have their own dangers, an off-screen incident involving Necromancy is the first actual student death mentioned (it kills several) and the slain students are simply "recycled" for parts without comment by the Necromancy faculty, which is exceptionally sociopathic even for the serial's already somewhat-insane standards of adult behavior and treated as expected by everyone else, even when other deaths and even general danger is are often played up by campus authorities and other students to the hilt.



** This ties into [[YourNormalIsOurTaboo the nymphs' religious restrictions on clothing and their engaging in frequent sex]]; see the trope entry below for more details.
*** Amaranthe also nearly overheats her brain every time she tries to work out the idea that "rape is bad", and in fact it's something of a running theme of the early series that fertility gods in general don't really 'get it' when it comes to things like consent and mortal fear of death, no matter how much they expound on their theoretical academic understanding of why mortals might dislike being killed, raped, etc. Justified, in that the Nymphs' BDSM and excuse-every-behavior tendencies are a natural result of the fact that they are 100% invincible. Though the justification also makes the orange oranger, in a way, since one of the big elements of BDSM is (the illusion) of risk and trust, and neither of those apply to an indestructible incarnation.
* BornInTheWrongCentury: Martha Blaise's mindset is far more appropriate for someone from a time much before hers, in Glory's opinion.

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** This ties into Nymphs display this in a variety of ways.
*** The most obvious is their
[[YourNormalIsOurTaboo the nymphs' religious restrictions on clothing and their engaging in frequent sex]]; see the trope entry below for more details.
sex]].
*** Amaranthe Amaranth also nearly overheats her brain every time she tries to work out the idea that "rape is bad", and in fact it's bad". It's actually something of a running theme of the early series that fertility gods in general don't really 'get it' when it comes to things like consent and mortal fear of death, no matter how much they expound on their theoretical academic understanding of why mortals might dislike being killed, raped, etc. Justified, in that the Nymphs' nymphs' BDSM and excuse-every-behavior tendencies are a natural result of the fact that they are their being 100% invincible. Though the The justification also makes the orange oranger, in a way, since one of the big elements of BDSM is (the illusion) of risk and trust, and neither of those apply to an indestructible incarnation.
* BornInTheWrongCentury: Martha Blaise's mindset is far more appropriate for someone from a time much before hers, [[InvokedTrope in Glory's opinion.opinion]].



* CrystalDragonJesus: What we've seen of the worship of Khersis is very much like Christianity, except in a world where gods are known to speak to mortals, demons are real, and exorcism works. Considering the one passage from the Khersian holy book that's been referenced parallels the gospels directly, and one creation myth says he was born of a great dragon from a crystal egg, he may be a literal "Crystal Dragon Jesus". We don't know if he has any [[GodIsEvil dark secrets]] yet, but some of his followers are assholes. There's also the "Mechans".
** To clarify if the naming convention doesn't make it obvious, Mechans are expies of Wiccans.

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* CrystalDragonJesus: What we've seen of the worship of Khersis is very much like Christianity, except in a world where gods are known to speak to mortals, demons are real, and exorcism works. Considering the one passage from the Khersian holy book that's been referenced parallels the gospels directly, and one creation myth says he was born of a great dragon from a crystal egg, he may be a literal "Crystal Dragon Jesus". We don't know if he has any [[GodIsEvil dark secrets]] yet, but some of his followers are assholes.
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There's also the "Mechans".
** To clarify if the naming convention doesn't make it obvious, Mechans are
"Mechans", expies of Wiccans.



* DevilInDisguise: [[spoiler:The Man]] looks like a normal human but is anything but.

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* DevilInDisguise: DevilInDisguise:
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[[spoiler:The Man]] looks like a normal human but is anything but.



* DidntSeeThatComing: When The Man faces off with Samuel at the tower, The Man's plan falls apart when [[spoiler:he's seen holding a pitchfork after Samuel falls off the tower, screaming, with a cut from the pitchfork on his face. "The half-demon is seen as a killer" theory (which is what The Man was aiming for) seems rather unlikely when there's a stranger holding the murder weapon still up on the tower.]]

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* DidntSeeThatComing: When The Man faces off with Samuel at the tower, The Man's his plan falls apart when [[spoiler:he's seen holding a pitchfork after Samuel falls off the tower, screaming, with a cut from the pitchfork on his face. "The half-demon is seen as a killer" theory (which is what The Man was aiming for) seems rather unlikely when there's a stranger holding the murder weapon still up on the tower.]]



* TheDreaded: According to Glory, Callahan is this to elves.

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* TheDreaded: According to Glory, Callahan is this to elves. [[spoiler:Callahan confirms this in a later story.]]



* EasySexChange: Played with. Dee gives Steff a draught of the "halfkind" potion to help resolve some of her body issues. The potion knocks Steff out for several chapters worth of story time, and the eventual result is that [[spoiler:just as it does with dark elves, Steff now has a much more obviously feminine body, including breasts, but also has a noticeably bigger penis]].

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* EasySexChange: EasySexChange:
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Played with. Dee gives Steff a draught of the "halfkind" potion to help resolve some of her body issues. The potion knocks Steff out for several chapters worth of story time, and the eventual result is that [[spoiler:just as it does with dark elves, Steff now has a much more obviously feminine body, including breasts, but also has a noticeably bigger penis]].



** Also somewhat subverted, in that nymphs frequently stray into BlueAndOrangeMorality territory in general and essentially live there permanently when it comes to sexual matters. Sometimes this makes them more ethical about it from a human perspective, and other times they'll openly condone rape or take BDSM play as an excuse to try to micromanage every action and even private thought of a partner and bully them into behavior they're uncomfortable with or that is actively harmful. Amaranthe's own kink involves snuff fantasies, so she takes it up to 11 on a regular basis without any particular malice (it is, after all, what gods do, even minor ones).

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** Also ::The trope is also somewhat subverted, in that nymphs frequently stray into BlueAndOrangeMorality territory in general and essentially live there permanently when it comes to sexual matters. Sometimes this makes them more ethical about it from a human perspective, and other times they'll openly condone rape or take BDSM play as an excuse to try to micromanage every action and even private thought of a partner and bully them into behavior they're uncomfortable with or that is actively harmful. Amaranthe's Amaranth's own kink involves snuff fantasies, so she takes it up to 11 on a regular basis without any particular malice (it is, after all, what gods do, even minor ones).



* FantasyCounterpartCulture: The Imperial Republic of Magisteria is America mixed with the Roman Empire in a DungeonPunk world. The island of Yokan is a version of Japan populated by PettingZooPeople. Members of [[AlternateCompanyEquivalent a totally original race of little people who live in cozy holes in shires]] have a rural English-type culture. The forest-dwelling elves have Ancient Greek names and [[YaoiGuys culture]]. The dwarves are basically German. Early discussions of the ideas outsiders have of subterranean elves mirror American ideas of the Muslim world. When we see the culture up close, though, there's no resemblance whatever. Pointedly, the "European" cultures don't seem to have colonized nearly as much of the world at any point.
** Dragons fill the cultural role of ancient Rome, both literally in that the various 'draconic' tongues are expressed a Latin varying from classical to pidgin depending how 'high' it is, and more figuratively in that their time of dominion was a time of great magical advancement but with low cultural value on 'lesser' life, the details of which have mostly been lost in an intervening 'dark age' save for the dominant religions being rooted in dragon cults.

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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: FantasyCounterpartCulture:
** From a national perspective:
The Imperial Republic of Magisteria is America mixed with the Roman Empire in a DungeonPunk world. The island of Yokan is a version of Japan populated by PettingZooPeople. Members of [[AlternateCompanyEquivalent a totally original race of little people who live in cozy holes in shires]] have a rural English-type culture. The forest-dwelling elves have Ancient Greek names and [[YaoiGuys culture]]. The dwarves are basically German. Early discussions of the ideas outsiders have of subterranean elves mirror American ideas of the Muslim world. When we see the culture up close, though, there's no resemblance whatever. Pointedly, the "European" cultures don't seem to have colonized nearly as much of the world at any point.
** Dragons fill the cultural role of ancient Rome, both literally in that the various 'draconic' tongues are expressed a as Latin varying from classical to pidgin depending how 'high' it is, and more figuratively in that their time of dominion was a time of great magical advancement but with low cultural value on 'lesser' life, the details of which have mostly been lost in an intervening 'dark age' save for the dominant religions being rooted in dragon cults.



** Also PlayedForLaughs: Amaranth's constant attempts to justify her various fetishes in terms of her theological role as this is the character's primary source of humor. Among other things, she's in a long-running argument with her god-mother over where the line of intelligence is between normal fantasy-world interspecies relations and actual bestiality. Specifically, she really, really wants horses to be reclassified as 'smart enough'.

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** Also PlayedForLaughs: Amaranth's constant attempts to justify her various fetishes in terms of her theological role as this is the character's primary source of humor. Among other things, she's in a long-running argument with her god-mother over where the line of intelligence is between normal fantasy-world interspecies relations and actual bestiality. Specifically, she really, really ''really'' wants horses to be reclassified as 'smart enough'.



* GreenEyedMonster: [[spoiler:Barley]] is deeply envious of [[spoiler:Amaranth]], not only because of [[spoiler:her popularity in their hometown]] but because [[spoiler:she only went to college because Barley did, but ended up being more popular than Barley]]. This jealousy has been the driving force behind all of her objectionable actions, [[spoiler:but the second-year side story involving her indicates that she's making strides toward dealing with it.]]

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* GreenEyedMonster: [[spoiler:Barley]] is deeply envious of [[spoiler:Amaranth]], not only because of both [[spoiler:her popularity in their hometown]] but because [[spoiler:she hometown and that she only went to college because Barley did, but ended up being more popular than Barley]]. This jealousy has been the driving force behind all of her objectionable actions, [[spoiler:but the second-year side story involving her indicates that she's making strides toward dealing with it.]]



--> "I couldn’t help but notice that he did things like use “fight” twice in the same sentence… and “underprivileged underclass?” It also seemed like he just dropped commas in wherever he felt like it… like there was no actual rules regarding their use… like he was just in love with them as a punctuation mark, or something." (Note that Mack, at another point, remarked in passing that she had once been marked down on an essay for using too many ellipses.)

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--> "I I couldn’t help but notice that he did things like use “fight” twice in the same sentence… and “underprivileged underclass?” It also seemed like he just dropped commas in wherever he felt like it… like there was no actual rules regarding their use… like he was just in love with them as a punctuation mark, or something." something. (Note that Mack, at another point, remarked in passing that she had once been marked down on an essay for using too many ellipses.)



* InformedAbility: Intentionally invoked with Amaranthe's intelligence. She was specifically created according to a worshiper's mental image of a 'nerdy' girl, but since none of her worshipers are themselves particularly clever or intellectual and she's mentally and spiritually a field of grain, the actual 'intelligence' she ended up with is limited entirely to the superficial. She's reasonably eloquent, wears sexy librarian glasses, and collects books. That's it.
** PlayedForDrama in that the 'self' images of demigods are divinely-enforced by patron deities; no matter how many times her uninformed advice and general inability to understand much of anything ends in disaster, even suggesting that she's not the smartest person in the room essentially puts her into a blue-screen of death.
** Additionally, it's implied that this kind of mental block is the preferable state for a nymph; Another nymph showed genuine curiosity and tried to expand her worldview beyond sex and it quite literally drove her insane within a week.

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* InformedAbility: Intentionally invoked with Amaranthe's Amaranth's intelligence. She was specifically created according to a worshiper's mental image of a 'nerdy' girl, but since none of her worshipers are themselves particularly clever or intellectual and she's mentally and spiritually a field of grain, the actual 'intelligence' she ended up with is limited entirely to the superficial. She's reasonably eloquent, wears sexy librarian glasses, and collects books. That's it.
** PlayedForDrama in that the 'self' images of demigods are divinely-enforced by patron deities; no deities. No matter how many times her uninformed advice and general inability to understand much of anything ends in disaster, even suggesting that she's not the smartest person in the room essentially puts her into a blue-screen of death.
** Additionally, it's implied that this kind of mental block is the preferable state for a nymph; nymph. Another nymph showed genuine curiosity and tried to expand her worldview beyond sex and it quite literally drove her insane within a week.



* InTheBlood: Half-demons are mostly this played straight, though how demonic they are and which demons they resemble is a bit random depending on their HorrorHunger. That said, they tend to have significantly less control over that hunger than their full-blooded parents, see below.

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* InTheBlood: InTheBlood:
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Half-demons are mostly this played straight, though how demonic they are and which demons they resemble is a bit random depending on their HorrorHunger. That said, they tend to have significantly less control over that hunger than their full-blooded parents, see below.



** The chapter title "Girly Fight", in conjunction with the subtitle "In Which Mackenzie Gets The Finger", implies that Mack is in a word fight. However, in one of the most hillaristurbing scenes in the world, she {{Mind Rape}}s one of the adversaries to the point that her corrupted memory had to be removed, and she ''rips the other's fingers off with her teeth''. Perfectly logical. Mack gets the finger, and all of the participating parties are girls.

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** The chapter title "Girly Fight", in conjunction with the subtitle "In Which Mackenzie Gets The Finger", implies that Mack is in a word fight. However, in one of the most hillaristurbing hilaristurbing scenes in the world, she {{Mind Rape}}s one of the adversaries to the point that her corrupted memory had to be removed, and she ''rips the other's fingers off with her teeth''. Perfectly logical. Mack gets the finger, and all of the participating parties are girls.



** Subverted for arena duelists, though, who are generally in it for the sport/fun (they overwhelmingly play fair with only one exception), respectful to each other and everyone else, and don't have a stick up the rear about it.

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** Subverted for arena duelists, though, who are generally in it for the sport/fun (they overwhelmingly play fair with only one exception), are respectful to each other and everyone else, and don't have a stick up the rear about it.



** The Leighton twins are bullies and jackasses, especially Tara. It was worse before they were merged.

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** The Leighton twins are bullies and jackasses, especially Tara. It was worse before they were merged.merged; in their current state, they spend more time sniping at each other than others.



* JerkassHasAPoint: Celia's snarky comments are often tactless, intolerant and insensitive... but that doesn't mean they're not ''accurate.'' She is, for example, the first one to explicitly point out Puddy's abusive tendencies.
-->You’re fucking blind if you think there’s anything healthy going on here!

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* JerkassHasAPoint: JerkassHasAPoint:
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Celia's snarky comments are often tactless, intolerant and insensitive... but that doesn't mean they're not ''accurate.'' She is, for example, the first one to explicitly point out Puddy's abusive tendencies.
-->You’re --->You’re fucking blind if you think there’s anything healthy going on here!



* KnightTemplar: This being a tabletop RPG setting played straight more often than it's deconstructed, this tends to apply literally as well as figuratively, as with [[spoiler: Martha Blaise]].

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* KnightTemplar: This being a tabletop RPG setting that's played straight more often than it's deconstructed, this tends to apply literally as well as figuratively, as with [[spoiler: Martha [[spoiler:Martha Blaise]].



* MagicVersusScience: While magic works and is commonplace, belief in the power of scientific thinking is generally regarded as either dangerously deluded or childish fantasy. The Mechans are treated as the counterpart to Wiccans in our universe. See also ScienceCannotComprehendPhlebotinum below.
** While it's a bit muddled by the fact that the author, like most authors, lives in a universe with empirically-determinable physical laws, the setting actually does a pretty good job of setting the "physics" up such that the magical view is actually the _correct_ one. Mack's arguments against the Mechans, especially, are 100% valid in terms of what science actually is (in terms of being a method of working out how the world works, not just the set of laws that the system uncovers in ours). The "science" that the mechans follow relies heavily on ignoring large swaths of empirical data in favor of cherry-picking only a few examples that fit their existing theory, and is in every real sense the opposite of Science.
*** And, to one-up even that, devices reliant on real-world physics and mechanics _do_ work... but only when they've specifically been isolated from magic, aka in an extremely restrictive and uncommon set of physical circumstances. The mechan faith is the equivalent of someone in the real world creating a physics model without gravity, arguing strenuously against the idea of gravity and ignoring any evidence that it existed, and then pointing to how things behave in free-fall in orbiting space stations as if they "validated" the world view. The comparison to real life Wiccan magic is, if anything, overly generous; Wicca can at least attribute matters of happenstance to its rituals, Mecha is empirically outright wrong.

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* MagicVersusScience: MagicVersusScience:
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While magic works and is commonplace, belief in the power of scientific thinking is generally regarded as either dangerously deluded or childish fantasy. The Mechans are treated as the counterpart to Wiccans in our universe. See also ScienceCannotComprehendPhlebotinum below.
** This especially comes into ply when deaing with the Mechans. While it's a bit muddled by the fact that the author, like most authors, lives in a universe with empirically-determinable physical laws, the setting actually does a pretty good job of setting the "physics" up such that the magical view is actually the _correct_ ''correct'' one. Mack's arguments against the Mechans, especially, are 100% valid in terms of what science actually is (in terms of being a method of working out how the world works, not just the set of laws that the system uncovers in ours). The "science" that the mechans Mechans follow relies heavily on ignoring large swaths of empirical data in favor of cherry-picking only a few examples that fit their existing theory, and is in every real sense the opposite of Science.
*** And, to
science. To one-up even that, devices reliant on real-world physics and mechanics _do_ ''do'' work... but only when they've specifically been isolated from magic, aka such as in an extremely restrictive and uncommon set of physical circumstances. The mechan Mechan faith is the equivalent of someone in the real world creating a physics model without gravity, arguing strenuously against the idea of gravity and ignoring any evidence that it existed, and then pointing to how things behave in free-fall in orbiting space stations as if they "validated" the world view. The comparison to real life Wiccan magic is, if anything, overly generous; Wicca can at least attribute matters of happenstance to its rituals, Mecha is but the Mechans are empirically outright wrong.



* NotAfraidToDie: Callahan. [[spoiler:She reveals to Mack Daddy that she's killed herself several times, and has no fear whatsoever of either death, or even hell]].

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* NotAfraidToDie: Callahan. [[spoiler:She reveals to Mack Daddy that she's killed herself several times, and has no fear whatsoever of either death, or even hell]].



** Ian has a pretty good streak throughout the Veil storyline, not just hanging a lampshade on every toss of the IdiotBall between Mack and Amaranthe but accurately identifying the underlying behaviors that have caused repeated problems and suggesting ways to fix them. He is, of course, entirely ignored.

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** Ian has a pretty good streak throughout the Veil storyline, not just hanging a lampshade on {{lampshad|eHanging}}ing every toss of the IdiotBall between Mack and Amaranthe Amaranth but accurately identifying the underlying behaviors that have caused repeated problems and suggesting ways to fix them. He is, of course, entirely ignored.



** Subverted in the spinoff ''More Tales of MU'', when the main character and his elven boyfriend Iason visit Treehome, the place where the elven "middlings" (essentially the elven equivalents of twenty somethings) live. ''Every single middling'' is a creep and/or violent pervert (like the elven woman who seduces Jamie, then tries to castrate him to spite Iason). There's also the fact that every single elf, upon learning that Jamie has put on a magical bracelet that lets Iason turn him into a stag any time he wants to, up to and including Jamie's own elven grandfather, have stopped treating Jamie like a separate being and instead seem to view him as a sort of extension of Iason. Truly, in the [=MUniverse=], Our Elves are More Fucked Up.

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** Subverted in the spinoff ''More Tales of MU'', when the main character and his elven boyfriend Iason visit Treehome, the place where the elven "middlings" (essentially the elven equivalents of twenty somethings) twentysomethings) live. ''Every single middling'' is a creep and/or violent pervert (like the elven woman who seduces Jamie, then tries to castrate him to spite Iason). There's also the fact that every single elf, upon learning that Jamie has put on a magical bracelet that lets Iason turn him into a stag any time he wants to, up to and including Jamie's own elven grandfather, have stopped treating Jamie like a separate being and instead seem to view him as a sort of extension of Iason. Truly, in the [=MUniverse=], Our Elves are More Fucked Up.



* {{Polyamory}}: Extremely common among main characters. It is mentioned that this kind relationship is significantly more common among non humans - though while the story seems to confirm this, the source is of questionable credibility.
* PornWithPlot: Roughly half of the first "year" of the story was either pure sex or sexually-themed material. The sexual content has drastically decreased in the second "year" but still [[{{Pun}} comes up]] every now and then.

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* {{Polyamory}}: Extremely common among main characters. It is mentioned that this kind relationship is significantly more common among non humans non-humans - though while the story seems to confirm this, the source is of questionable credibility.
* PornWithPlot: Roughly half of the first "year" of the story was either pure sex or sexually-themed material. The sexual content has drastically decreased in the second "year" but still [[{{Pun}} [[JustForPun comes up]] every now and then.



** The chapter titles and subtitles often go this route.

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** The chapter titles and subtitles often go this route.route when they're not full-on {{Double Entendre}}s.



* RapeAsDrama: Multiple occurrences, played with frightening realism.

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* RapeAsDrama: Multiple occurrences, played with frightening realism. Puddy's abuses of Mack and the things Two is manipulated into doing are the most pointed instances.



** It's hinted early on that Mackenzie's grandmother might have once been a famous demon-slaying paladin. Mackenzie, of course, has never heard of any of it and finds the whole thing ridiculous, even as the evidence continues to mount, [[SkepticismFailure until it's finally confirmed in Y1-422]].
** Coach Jillian "Jilly" Callahan has retired from being a mercenary and a successful dragon-slayer to teaching in the combat-athletics department of MU, but has not in any way retired from being {{Badass}}.
*** Callahan gets even more ridiculous when you find out more of her past. She is also known as [[spoiler:Gillian Gottmörder]] and she received an imperial pardon for [[spoiler:three counts of attempted deicide (one of which succeeded, but they don't have a law to cover that), two counts of genocide, five counts of high treason against the Imperial Republic (which normally merits summary execution), and her various "petty" murders and property destructions. She also apparently stopped at least two attempts by the giants to retake the world.]] She has also killed seven [[spoiler:greater dragons]]. Possibly eight. One loses track.

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** It's hinted early on that Mackenzie's grandmother might have once been a famous demon-slaying paladin. Mackenzie, of course, has never heard of any of it and finds the whole thing ridiculous, even as the evidence continues to mount, [[SkepticismFailure until it's finally confirmed in Y1-422]].
Y1-422]
** Coach Jillian "Jilly" Callahan has retired from being a mercenary and a successful dragon-slayer to teaching in the combat-athletics department of MU, but has not in any way retired from being {{Badass}}.
*** Callahan
{{Badass}}. This gets even more ridiculous when you find out more of her past.past is revealed. She is also known as [[spoiler:Gillian Gottmörder]] and she received an imperial pardon for [[spoiler:three counts of attempted deicide (one of which succeeded, but they don't have a law to cover that), two counts of genocide, five counts of high treason against the Imperial Republic (which normally merits summary execution), and her various "petty" murders and property destructions. She also apparently stopped at least two attempts by the giants to retake the world.]] She has also killed seven [[spoiler:greater dragons]]. Possibly eight. One loses track.



* RPGMechanicsVerse: Done very subtly, but played completely straight and not [[PlayedForLaughs for laughs]]. Specifically, it's a Tabletop RPG Mechanics Verse, with gods and other extremely powerful entities in the role of GameMaster. For example, RocksFallEveryoneDies is a known and well-understood phenomenon in adventuring circles, and NoFairCheating is a codified fundamental principle of magic, on par with the Laws of Thermodynamics.
** [[http://www.talesofmu.com/story/other/mumoo Made explicit in this side story.]]

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* RPGMechanicsVerse: Done very subtly, but played completely straight and not [[PlayedForLaughs for laughs]]. Specifically, it's a Tabletop RPG Mechanics Verse, with gods and other extremely powerful entities in the role of GameMaster. For example, RocksFallEveryoneDies is a known and well-understood phenomenon in adventuring circles, and NoFairCheating is a codified fundamental principle of magic, on par with the Laws of Thermodynamics.
**
Thermodynamics. It's made explicit in [[http://www.talesofmu.com/story/other/mumoo Made explicit in this one side story.]]



* ScienceCannotComprehendPhlebotinum: Want to scientifically analyse the world of ''Tales Of MU''? ''"Well, this is where a lot of the unique undead, cursed artifacts, and tainted lands come from. This is how magical abominations are created."'' Plus, space isn't always orthogonal: distances can shift between points, and some areas are bigger inside than when measured without. The faery realm exists alongside the mundane world, the realm of giants exists "above" it, and there are gods aplenty. Elves don't need to breathe. And the world itself may be sitting in a magical pocket universe rather than orbiting a star...
* ScienceIsWrong -- The conflict of science vs. fantasy in the [=MUniverse=] is first shown when Amaranth brings Mack to a Mechan gathering in the first year, and is exhaustively discussed/argued between Mack and someone from a science-based plane in the second-year OT story [[http://www.talesofmu.com/story/other/mumoo "Magisterius University and the Methods of Obstinancy"]].

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* ScienceCannotComprehendPhlebotinum: Want to scientifically analyse the world of ''Tales Of MU''? ''"Well, this is where a lot of the unique undead, cursed artifacts, and tainted lands come from. This is how magical abominations are created."'' Plus, space isn't always orthogonal: distances can shift between points, and some areas are bigger inside than when measured without. The faery realm exists alongside the mundane world, the realm of giants exists "above" it, and there are gods aplenty. Elves don't need to breathe. And the The world itself may be sitting in a magical pocket universe rather than orbiting a star...
* ScienceIsWrong -- ScienceIsWrong: The conflict of science vs. fantasy in the [=MUniverse=] is first shown when Amaranth brings Mack to a Mechan gathering in the first year, and is exhaustively discussed/argued between Mack and someone from a science-based plane in the second-year OT story [[http://www.talesofmu.com/story/other/mumoo "Magisterius University and the Methods of Obstinancy"]].



** One character is blessed with the gift of "is always the strongest person in the room". When a dragon enters the same room as her, things start going out of hand.

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** One character is blessed with the gift of "is always the strongest person in the room". When a dragon enters the same room as her, things start going getting out of hand.



** Mackenzie, a sheltered girl who spent most of her life living with a ''very'' parochial KnightTemplar grandmother, gets the "fun" of being both a victim of discrimination and bigotry and occasionally making ignorant remarks that offend and horrify her friends. That being said, she will allow herself to be proven wrong, unlike your garden-variety bigot.

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** Mackenzie, a sheltered girl who spent most of her life living with a ''very'' parochial KnightTemplar grandmother, gets the "fun" of being both a victim of discrimination and bigotry and occasionally making ignorant remarks that offend and horrify her friends. That being said, she will allow herself to be proven wrong, unlike your garden-variety bigot.bigot, and gradually gets past this.



* SuperpoweredEvilSide: The side of Mackenzie that some fans have taken to calling Kenzie is two details off from being a textbook example of this. Kenzie is triggered by hunger instead of desperation in battle, and the closest thing to a superpower Kenzie has over normal Mack is ''[[LawfulStupid being willing to hurt people that are trying to kill her]]''.
** Also being willing to hurt/kill people who are in the way, or just kind of there hanging out, or who are objects of lust for the sane version who are clueless or minding their own business... thus the "evil" part.

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* SuperpoweredEvilSide: The side of Mackenzie that some fans have taken to calling Kenzie is two details off from being a textbook example form of this. this. Kenzie is triggered by hunger instead of desperation in battle, and the closest thing to a superpower Kenzie has over normal is essentially just Mack is ''[[LawfulStupid being willing to hurt people that are trying to kill her]]''.
** Also being willing to hurt/kill people who are in the way, or just kind
but with no moral/ethical binders and no compunctions about use of there hanging out, or who are objects of lust for the sane version who are clueless or minding their own business... thus the "evil" part.her demonic abilities.



* TemptingFate[=/=]WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong -- Lampshaded in "Brimstone?".

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* TemptingFate[=/=]WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong -- TemptingFate[=/=]WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong: Lampshaded in "Brimstone?".



* WellDoneSonGuy:

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* %%* WellDoneSonGuy:



* WickedCultured: Vice-Chancellor Embries has a gloriously-decorated office and snazzy attire, a [[{{Pun}} silver tongue]], and a tea set of which he is very fond. He is also [[spoiler:an ancient dragon with a [[IAmAHumanitarian taste for human flesh]]]].

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* WickedCultured: Vice-Chancellor Embries has a gloriously-decorated office and snazzy attire, a [[{{Pun}} [[JustForPun silver tongue]], and a tea set of which he is very fond. He is also [[spoiler:an ancient dragon with a [[IAmAHumanitarian taste for human flesh]]]].
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* AdultsAreUseless: Played straight with most of the staff, parents, etc, as is tradition for the school-adventures genre.
** Occasionally taken up to eleven with adults simply dropping the main characters into life-threatening situations with remarkable power and efficiency, then being immediately ineffectual again when the should by all logic be able to undo the problem just as easily.

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* AdultsAreUseless: AdultsAreUseless:
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Played straight with most of the staff, parents, etc, as is tradition for the school-adventures genre.
** Occasionally taken up to eleven UpToEleven with adults simply dropping the main characters into life-threatening situations with remarkable power and efficiency, then being immediately ineffectual again when the should by all logic be able to undo the problem just as easily.
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