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** It appears that he can't. Cutting off his topknot signifies the finality of his exile.

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** It appears that he can't. Cutting off his topknot signifies the finality of his exile.exile.
* Moro explains the reason she doesnt go to the Forest Spirit to heal her bullet wound despite slowly dying is because shes lived long enough and is content to die, however she still intends on killing Lady Eboshi even though her weakened state would make it harder. Why doesnt San who clearly doesnt want her wolf mother to die explain that if she refuses to get healed and dies then Moro may never have her revenge or at least enjoy it if Eboshi was to die by other means?
* When the Apes appear to eat Ashitaka while he's unconscious why does San prevent them from doing so? She was pissed off at Ashitaka from preventing her from killing Lady Eboshi and didnt see it as a him rescuing her so it definitely wasnt out of gratitude. Hell, she was even about to stab him before he called her beautiful and passed out. Given San's hatred of humans and the apes wanting to eat Ashitaka so that they could gain his strength when the forest was steadily declining due to Irontown, the apes devouring Ashitaka would be one less troublemaking human and an advantage for the forest side so San defending Ashitaka seems odd.
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*** This is very much in line with natural wolf behavior. Wolves are matriarchal with an alpha pair and seniority usually passing to the eldest daughter. San's "brothers" would instinctively defer to her, especially if she's older than them and her place reinforced by discipline from their mother.
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* Why doesn't Ashitaka go back home when he's healed, if he's the last prince of his tribe. Then doesn't he have a duty to be with them and such?

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* Why doesn't Ashitaka go back home when he's healed, if he's the last prince of his tribe. Then doesn't he have a duty to be with them and such?such?
** It appears that he can't. Cutting off his topknot signifies the finality of his exile.
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** Considering how close San and the others all were to getting engulfed by the Forest God's Ooze; San was probably right to send them off. That rock wouldn't have held them all.

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** Considering how close San and the others all were to getting engulfed by the Forest God's Ooze; San was probably right to send them off. That rock wouldn't have held them all.all.
*Why doesn't Ashitaka go back home when he's healed, if he's the last prince of his tribe. Then doesn't he have a duty to be with them and such?
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* San and Ashitaka are riding wolves to confront Jigo and get the Great Forest Spirit's head back. They get off the wolves and San tells the wolves to run away. Why does she say that? You're trying to save the world here; don't you want all the help you can get? Those wolves could've eaten Jigo or whatever.

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* San and Ashitaka are riding wolves to confront Jigo and get the Great Forest Spirit's head back. They get off the wolves and San tells the wolves to run away. Why does she say that? You're trying to save the world here; don't you want all the help you can get? Those wolves could've eaten Jigo or whatever.whatever.
** Considering how close San and the others all were to getting engulfed by the Forest God's Ooze; San was probably right to send them off. That rock wouldn't have held them all.
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*** It could be said that Moro (and Ottoko, and their siblings) were actually "minor spirits", different from the Shishigami (Who, in turn, shows actual godly powers). That's because the word "kami" can be used either to name spirits or to name gods.

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*** **** It could be said that Moro (and Ottoko, and their siblings) people) were actually "minor spirits", different from the [[spoiler:the Shishigami (Who, in turn, shows actual godly powers).powers)]]. That's because the word "kami" can be used either to name spirits or to name gods.



* San actually means "Three" in japanese, so I go with the idea that they are named "Ichi" and "Nii" or "Yon" an "Go" if they're younger.

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* ** San actually means "Three" in japanese, so I go with the idea that they are named "Ichi" and "Nii" or "Yon" an "Go" if they're younger.
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*** It could be said that Moro (and Ottoko, and their siblings) were actually "minor spirits", different from the Shishigami (Who, in turn, shows actual godly powers). That's because the word "kami" can be used either to name spirits or to name gods.


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* San actually means "Three" in japanese, so I go with the idea that they are named "Ichi" and "Nii" or "Yon" an "Go" if they're younger.
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** I imagine that the Wise Woman asked her magic rocks that very question, and the answer was "Nope. It doesn't work that way." The curse is probably in his blood by that point. (Also, it's magic. It doesn't need to make sense.)
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** Well, to be fair, his tribe does seem to know a bit about that sort of esoteric knowledge. Hiding for 500 years will do that.

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** Well, to be fair, his tribe does seem to know a bit about that sort of esoteric knowledge. Hiding for 500 years will do that.that.
** It depends on what he meant. He could have meant it in a ''moral'' sense; humans created this problem so now humans have to solve it. And if he meant it in a magical sense (i.e. if human hands don't return the head then it can't be reattached), then in that case he didn't "know" anything. He was just guessing.
* Do San's siblings have names? It's kindof odd that I always have to refer to them as "that wolf" and "that other wolf".
* Ashitaka is riding on a wolf in the forest when he comes across Eboshi. He gets off and tells the wolf to run ahead and find San. Ashitaka talks to Eboshi for awhile and then runs off to find San on foot. Somehow he gets to San before the wolf does. How does that happen? It's already been established that the wolf is faster than he is, and the wolf surely has a better sense of smell so it shouldn't get lost along the way.
* San and Ashitaka are riding wolves to confront Jigo and get the Great Forest Spirit's head back. They get off the wolves and San tells the wolves to run away. Why does she say that? You're trying to save the world here; don't you want all the help you can get? Those wolves could've eaten Jigo or whatever.
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* If the curse started and spread from Ashitaka's arm, why couldn't they just cut it off?

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* While San is... um, incapacitated on Okkoto; It is ultimately Moro, San's mother, who saves her, not Ashitaka. All he succeeds in doing is... giving her a bath. Now, during that scene the crystal dagger is highlighted. We all know what the dagger means, so what is Miyazaki saying here? A mother's love is more powerful than a husband's/lover's? FamilyUnfriendlyAesop!
** Doesn't the water partially ward off the effects of the curse though? Just saying Ashitaka deserves a little bit more credit.
** Yes, it looked like the closest Shinto equivalent to Holy Water - the pool was "sanctified" by the Shishigami, and thus it worked against the unnatural curse.
** Two things. First, I saw it as being equal love: It was Moro's love for San, her daughter, that gave her the strength to reach San and save her from Okkoto; and it was Ashitaka's love for San, his love interest, that gave him the strength to finish the rescue. If either of them had failed, San would have died. Both of them, together, saved her.\\
Second, I am very concerned by your [[UnfortunateImplications insinuation]] that a mother's love is/should be ''less'' powerful than a lover's. A different kind of love doesn't mean a less powerful love. The strength of a mother's love can certainly be matched, whether by the love of a sibling or a friend or a lover, but it's not possible to ''surpass'' something that is unconditional and limitless, the way a mother's love for her child(ren) should be.
* Is there anyone who likes the Japanese version better than the English dub? I saw both and I feel the dub is superior. Perhaps I shall write a review.
** I actually I think the best Dub is the French one. I watched the original, the English, the French and the Mandarin dub; the English one is okay, the Chinese one is the closest to the original but the voice acting sucks and the French version has a good voice acting and a good translation.
** I personally prefer the English dub of anything because I don't speak Japanese and would rather watch the screen than have to read. You can miss a lot of visual clues if you're stuck reading the text on the bottom of the screen.
** While the dub is indeed masterful, this troper still prefers the original Japanese version, since he doesn't need the extra explanations that the dub provides, isn't a native Anglophone to begin with, and has grown up with subtitles since early childhood as per his country's conventions, and can read them almost subconsciously without losing anything of the visuals. Knowing rudimentary Japanese also helps in holding this opinion.
** I prefer the Japanese version due to its more natural dialogue flow (well, with English subtitles). But watching the English dub (which I did first) didn't ruin any of the experience for me. Claire Danes is a bit of a miscast and can sound more like a complaining teen than a fierce warrior. And Billy Thornton's voice (to be fair, he got the character down, a cynic) just doesn't match the appearance. But it doesn't detract from much.
** I'm actually not a huge fan of the dub. Billy Bob Thornton phones in his performance too much, and I wasn't a fan of Claire Danes as San either. Add in the male soprano singer of the theme song in the Japanese version (seriously, a male soprano!) and I'll pick it any day of the week.

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*** Um, pretty sure they weren't talking about that. Are you forgetting that they [[spoiler:killed the wolf]]?

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*** Um, pretty sure they weren't talking about that. Are you forgetting that they [[spoiler:killed the wolf]]?wolf]]?'
*** There's a difference between "I want to divide the entire world into good guys and bad guys!" and "I want to understand the shape of this conflict." FWIW, I think that what Miyazaki was trying to get across was that the humans ''started'' the conflict, in over-hunting the spirits and over-exploiting the earth, but that the spirits' escalation and increased depravity was also to blame.
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** Well, San was literally RaisedByWolves so her values would differ from a human's. What would be the equivalent of desecration of the dead and Squick to humans, San would see as being pragmatic and using fur and skin that would otherwise rot away. She may even see herself as carrying the dead wolf's spirit on, especially if the wolf was killed by humans.
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** [[IJustKnew He Just Knew]].

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** [[IJustKnew He Just Knew]].Knew]].
** Well, to be fair, his tribe does seem to know a bit about that sort of esoteric knowledge. Hiding for 500 years will do that.
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** It probably ''is'' wolf fur... that her mom, brothers and other wolves shed and had it made into the cape and the mask somehow. So it's more like wearing a wig.
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*** Who said that someone needs to be a cut-and-dry bad guy? Reminding us that the real world isn't like that is kind of Creator/HayaoMiyazaki's ''thing''.



*** Um, pretty sure they weren't talking about that. Are you forgetting that they [[spoiler:killed the wolf]]?



** First: thank you for making me laugh. Second: I'm assuming that he just kind of went with the idea that because human hands took the head, human hands had to return it to calm the spirit down, as an apology and a symbol that they realized that they had done wrong and wanted to make up for it. Maybe it was necessary, maybe it wasn't, but it seems like a probable assumption and the end of the world isn't something you want to take chances with.

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** First: thank you for making me laugh. Second: I'm assuming that he just kind of went with the idea that because human hands took the head, human hands had to return it to calm the spirit down, as an apology and a symbol that they realized that they had done wrong and wanted to make up for it. Maybe it was necessary, maybe it wasn't, but it seems like a probable assumption and the end of the world isn't something you want to take chances with.with.
** [[IJustKnew He Just Knew]].
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* First: thank you for making me laugh. Second: I'm assuming that he just kind of went with the idea that because human hands took the head, human hands had to return it to calm the spirit down, as an apology and a symbol that they realized that they had done wrong and wanted to make up for it. Maybe it was necessary, maybe it wasn't, but it seems like a probable assumption and the end of the world isn't something you want to take chances with.

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* ** First: thank you for making me laugh. Second: I'm assuming that he just kind of went with the idea that because human hands took the head, human hands had to return it to calm the spirit down, as an apology and a symbol that they realized that they had done wrong and wanted to make up for it. Maybe it was necessary, maybe it wasn't, but it seems like a probable assumption and the end of the world isn't something you want to take chances with.
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* Ashitaka shouts that the Shishigami's head "must be returned by human hands." How does he know this? Did he major in Things That Have Never Happened Before 101 at Indigenous Peoples University?

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* Ashitaka shouts that the Shishigami's head "must be returned by human hands." How does he know this? Did he major in Things That Have Never Happened Before 101 at Indigenous Peoples University?University?
* First: thank you for making me laugh. Second: I'm assuming that he just kind of went with the idea that because human hands took the head, human hands had to return it to calm the spirit down, as an apology and a symbol that they realized that they had done wrong and wanted to make up for it. Maybe it was necessary, maybe it wasn't, but it seems like a probable assumption and the end of the world isn't something you want to take chances with.
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* San sees herself as a wolf, but that cape she wears and the fur on her mask look awfully like wolf fur. To her, wouldn't that be the equivalent to GenuineHumanHide?

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* San sees herself as a wolf, but that cape she wears and the fur on her mask look awfully like wolf fur. To her, wouldn't that be the equivalent to GenuineHumanHide?GenuineHumanHide?
* Ashitaka shouts that the Shishigami's head "must be returned by human hands." How does he know this? Did he major in Things That Have Never Happened Before 101 at Indigenous Peoples University?
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* San sees herself as a wolf, but that cape she wears looks awfully like wolf fur. To her, wouldn't that be the equivalent to GenuineHumanHide?

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* San sees herself as a wolf, but that cape she wears looks and the fur on her mask look awfully like wolf fur. To her, wouldn't that be the equivalent to GenuineHumanHide?
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** Despite the fact that it was well-developed, Irontown seemed to me to be a very young town, with little security. Note how they were constantly under the threat of invasion due to their iron supply, to say nothing of the constant attacks on their husbands by Moro and her children. There probably wasn't really much of a chance for anyone to settle down and have kids. [[spoiler: When their town gets rebuilt, perhaps...]] Of course, this may also be a case of HideYourChildren, as many children would probably inevitably have been killed by [[spoiler: the Forest Spirit's toxic ooze]], and that probably would have made the movie even darker than it already was.

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** Despite the fact that it was well-developed, Irontown seemed to me to be a very young town, with little security. Note how they were constantly under the threat of invasion due to their iron supply, to say nothing of the constant attacks on their husbands by Moro and her children. There probably wasn't really much of a chance for anyone to settle down and have kids. [[spoiler: When their town gets rebuilt, perhaps...]] Of course, this may also be a case of HideYourChildren, as many children would probably inevitably have been killed by [[spoiler: the Forest Spirit's toxic ooze]], and that probably would have made the movie even darker than it already was.was.
* San sees herself as a wolf, but that cape she wears looks awfully like wolf fur. To her, wouldn't that be the equivalent to GenuineHumanHide?
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*** This is very much in line with natural wolf behavior. Wolves are matriarchal with an alpha pair and seniority usually passing to the eldest daughter. San's "brothers" would instinctively defer to her, especially if she's older than them and her place reinforced by discipline from their mother.
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* I realize that there's a whole lot of gray in this movie, but I need to know whether or not there was any one side they wanted us to root for. It wasn't like ''{{Avatar}}'' where the Na'vi were supposed to be the heroes, I just rooted for the humans of Iron Town to come out on top.

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* I realize that there's a whole lot of gray in this movie, but I need to know whether or not there was any one side they wanted us to root for. It wasn't like ''{{Avatar}}'' ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' where the Na'vi were supposed to be the heroes, I just rooted for the humans of Iron Town to come out on top.
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*** Close - what they DID was trap the Shishigami halfway between its normal form and the Daidarabotchi form. This turned it into a Tartarigami, who killed and destroyed everything in its path seeking out its head. Once the head was returned, the forest that sustained it was dead - killed off not by the humans, but its own rampage, and it self-destructed.

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*** Close - what they DID was trap the Shishigami halfway between its normal form and the Daidarabotchi form. This turned it into a Tartarigami, who killed and destroyed everything in its path seeking out its head. Once By the head was returned, time Ashitaka returned its head, the forest that sustained it was dead - killed off not by the humans, but its own rampage, and it self-destructed.
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*** Close - what they DID was trap the Shishigami halfway between its normal form and the Daidarabotchi form. This turned it into a Tartarigami, who killed and destroyed everything in its path seeking out its head. Once the head was returned, the forest that sustained it was dead - killed off not by the humans, but its own rampage, and it self-destructed.
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** Yes, it looked like the closest Shinto equivalent to Holy Water - the pool was "sanctified" by the Shishigami, and thus it worked against the unnatural curse.
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** I saw it that way too. I mean she does even tell them what to do at times (like not killing Ashitaka or eating his elk, leaving those monkeys alone and other parts of the movie.) I didn't see it as her being their "Superior" or something. Just an older sister. She was very affectionate with them, and they do respect and cherish her.
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* While it is stressed that San sees herself as a wolf, an equal to her siblings, she treats them an awful lot like house dogs with all the scratching behind the ears bit. It seems like she sees herself in the dominate side of the master/pet relationship.

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* While it is stressed that San sees herself as a wolf, an equal to her siblings, she treats them an awful lot like house dogs with all the scratching behind the ears bit. It seems like she sees herself in the dominate dominant side of the master/pet relationship.

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** YMMV, This Troper saw it more as a sign of affection, after all- it doesn't seem like they ''dislike'' the feeling, and if they like it, well... Honestly, I saw it more like when you give your friend a back rub or something. (Okay, bad example, but still...)

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** YMMV, This Troper saw it more as a sign of affection, after all- it doesn't seem like they ''dislike'' the feeling, and if they like it, well... Honestly, I saw it more like when you give your friend a back rub or something. (Okay, bad example, but still...)



*** Of course, we can just say YourMileageMayVary.
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* While San is... um, incapacitated on Okkoto; It is ultimately Moro, San's mother, who saves her, not Ashitaka. All he succeeds in doing is... giving her a bath. Now, during that scene the crystal dagger is highlighted. We all know what the dagger means, so what is Miyazaki saying here? A mother's love is more powerful than a husband's/lover's? WarpThatAesop!

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* While San is... um, incapacitated on Okkoto; It is ultimately Moro, San's mother, who saves her, not Ashitaka. All he succeeds in doing is... giving her a bath. Now, during that scene the crystal dagger is highlighted. We all know what the dagger means, so what is Miyazaki saying here? A mother's love is more powerful than a husband's/lover's? WarpThatAesop!FamilyUnfriendlyAesop!

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