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17th Mar '16 8:53:48 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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* Why doesn't Ashitaka go back home when he's healed, if he's the last prince of his tribe. Then doesn't he have a duty to be with them and such?

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* Why doesn't Ashitaka go back home when he's healed, if he's the last prince of his tribe. Then doesn't he have a duty to be with them and such?such?
** It appears that he can't. Cutting off his topknot signifies the finality of his exile.
17th Mar '16 6:16:57 AM Fostofina
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** Considering how close San and the others all were to getting engulfed by the Forest God's Ooze; San was probably right to send them off. That rock wouldn't have held them all.

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** Considering how close San and the others all were to getting engulfed by the Forest God's Ooze; San was probably right to send them off. That rock wouldn't have held them all.all.
*Why doesn't Ashitaka go back home when he's healed, if he's the last prince of his tribe. Then doesn't he have a duty to be with them and such?
25th Dec '15 2:18:20 AM LuckoftheDraw
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* San and Ashitaka are riding wolves to confront Jigo and get the Great Forest Spirit's head back. They get off the wolves and San tells the wolves to run away. Why does she say that? You're trying to save the world here; don't you want all the help you can get? Those wolves could've eaten Jigo or whatever.

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* San and Ashitaka are riding wolves to confront Jigo and get the Great Forest Spirit's head back. They get off the wolves and San tells the wolves to run away. Why does she say that? You're trying to save the world here; don't you want all the help you can get? Those wolves could've eaten Jigo or whatever.whatever.
** Considering how close San and the others all were to getting engulfed by the Forest God's Ooze; San was probably right to send them off. That rock wouldn't have held them all.
26th Oct '15 7:09:14 PM kithas
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*** It could be said that Moro (and Ottoko, and their siblings) were actually "minor spirits", different from the Shishigami (Who, in turn, shows actual godly powers). That's because the word "kami" can be used either to name spirits or to name gods.

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*** **** It could be said that Moro (and Ottoko, and their siblings) people) were actually "minor spirits", different from the [[spoiler:the Shishigami (Who, in turn, shows actual godly powers).powers)]]. That's because the word "kami" can be used either to name spirits or to name gods.



* San actually means "Three" in japanese, so I go with the idea that they are named "Ichi" and "Nii" or "Yon" an "Go" if they're younger.

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* ** San actually means "Three" in japanese, so I go with the idea that they are named "Ichi" and "Nii" or "Yon" an "Go" if they're younger.
26th Oct '15 7:06:47 PM kithas
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*** It could be said that Moro (and Ottoko, and their siblings) were actually "minor spirits", different from the Shishigami (Who, in turn, shows actual godly powers). That's because the word "kami" can be used either to name spirits or to name gods.


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* San actually means "Three" in japanese, so I go with the idea that they are named "Ichi" and "Nii" or "Yon" an "Go" if they're younger.
9th Oct '15 6:31:43 PM sonicsuns3
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** I imagine that the Wise Woman asked her magic rocks that very question, and the answer was "Nope. It doesn't work that way." The curse is probably in his blood by that point. (Also, it's magic. It doesn't need to make sense.)
9th Oct '15 6:29:55 PM sonicsuns3
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** Well, to be fair, his tribe does seem to know a bit about that sort of esoteric knowledge. Hiding for 500 years will do that.

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** Well, to be fair, his tribe does seem to know a bit about that sort of esoteric knowledge. Hiding for 500 years will do that.that.
** It depends on what he meant. He could have meant it in a ''moral'' sense; humans created this problem so now humans have to solve it. And if he meant it in a magical sense (i.e. if human hands don't return the head then it can't be reattached), then in that case he didn't "know" anything. He was just guessing.
* Do San's siblings have names? It's kindof odd that I always have to refer to them as "that wolf" and "that other wolf".
* Ashitaka is riding on a wolf in the forest when he comes across Eboshi. He gets off and tells the wolf to run ahead and find San. Ashitaka talks to Eboshi for awhile and then runs off to find San on foot. Somehow he gets to San before the wolf does. How does that happen? It's already been established that the wolf is faster than he is, and the wolf surely has a better sense of smell so it shouldn't get lost along the way.
* San and Ashitaka are riding wolves to confront Jigo and get the Great Forest Spirit's head back. They get off the wolves and San tells the wolves to run away. Why does she say that? You're trying to save the world here; don't you want all the help you can get? Those wolves could've eaten Jigo or whatever.
16th Sep '15 2:13:54 AM XenXero
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* If the curse started and spread from Ashitaka's arm, why couldn't they just cut it off?
27th Aug '15 3:03:38 PM MagBas
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* While San is... um, incapacitated on Okkoto; It is ultimately Moro, San's mother, who saves her, not Ashitaka. All he succeeds in doing is... giving her a bath. Now, during that scene the crystal dagger is highlighted. We all know what the dagger means, so what is Miyazaki saying here? A mother's love is more powerful than a husband's/lover's? FamilyUnfriendlyAesop!
** Doesn't the water partially ward off the effects of the curse though? Just saying Ashitaka deserves a little bit more credit.
** Yes, it looked like the closest Shinto equivalent to Holy Water - the pool was "sanctified" by the Shishigami, and thus it worked against the unnatural curse.
** Two things. First, I saw it as being equal love: It was Moro's love for San, her daughter, that gave her the strength to reach San and save her from Okkoto; and it was Ashitaka's love for San, his love interest, that gave him the strength to finish the rescue. If either of them had failed, San would have died. Both of them, together, saved her.\\
Second, I am very concerned by your [[UnfortunateImplications insinuation]] that a mother's love is/should be ''less'' powerful than a lover's. A different kind of love doesn't mean a less powerful love. The strength of a mother's love can certainly be matched, whether by the love of a sibling or a friend or a lover, but it's not possible to ''surpass'' something that is unconditional and limitless, the way a mother's love for her child(ren) should be.
* Is there anyone who likes the Japanese version better than the English dub? I saw both and I feel the dub is superior. Perhaps I shall write a review.
** I actually I think the best Dub is the French one. I watched the original, the English, the French and the Mandarin dub; the English one is okay, the Chinese one is the closest to the original but the voice acting sucks and the French version has a good voice acting and a good translation.
** I personally prefer the English dub of anything because I don't speak Japanese and would rather watch the screen than have to read. You can miss a lot of visual clues if you're stuck reading the text on the bottom of the screen.
** While the dub is indeed masterful, this troper still prefers the original Japanese version, since he doesn't need the extra explanations that the dub provides, isn't a native Anglophone to begin with, and has grown up with subtitles since early childhood as per his country's conventions, and can read them almost subconsciously without losing anything of the visuals. Knowing rudimentary Japanese also helps in holding this opinion.
** I prefer the Japanese version due to its more natural dialogue flow (well, with English subtitles). But watching the English dub (which I did first) didn't ruin any of the experience for me. Claire Danes is a bit of a miscast and can sound more like a complaining teen than a fierce warrior. And Billy Thornton's voice (to be fair, he got the character down, a cynic) just doesn't match the appearance. But it doesn't detract from much.
** I'm actually not a huge fan of the dub. Billy Bob Thornton phones in his performance too much, and I wasn't a fan of Claire Danes as San either. Add in the male soprano singer of the theme song in the Japanese version (seriously, a male soprano!) and I'll pick it any day of the week.
10th May '15 2:54:53 PM vifetoile
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*** Um, pretty sure they weren't talking about that. Are you forgetting that they [[spoiler:killed the wolf]]?

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*** Um, pretty sure they weren't talking about that. Are you forgetting that they [[spoiler:killed the wolf]]?wolf]]?'
*** There's a difference between "I want to divide the entire world into good guys and bad guys!" and "I want to understand the shape of this conflict." FWIW, I think that what Miyazaki was trying to get across was that the humans ''started'' the conflict, in over-hunting the spirits and over-exploiting the earth, but that the spirits' escalation and increased depravity was also to blame.
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