History Headscratchers / CodeGeassMiscellaneousOne

*** She was bitchy toward Suzaku because of the "betraying his country" thing. Civil or no, she was his prisoner and that makes her entitled to being uncooperative, especially with him. Her whole "this is why I hate Britannians" shtick was not as bad as Nina because she kept it in check. She wasn't killing civilians for the hell of it, not did she consider them all irredeemably evil like Nina did. Finally, for the Euphemia example, she called her a doll princess. She didn't consider her evil, just a useless figurehead who really had no place trying to dictate any terms given the situation.\\
Kallen is considered completely good, or at the very least nowhere near as bad as half of the people in this show, because she dedicates herself to a just cause and sticks to it. Even when Lelouch went bad she stuck to it. Really, name one time in this show where Kallen, intentionally, has done something that can unequivocabally be considered evil, and you'll see why she's considered good.

** This is a genre quirk. Everybody ''knows'' that the control systems for HumongousMecha are ridiculous. The closest you can get to plausibility is ''MacrossFrontier's'' slave system, and even that is kind of a wash. As ''TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' points out, mecha work by "moving these handles - and it goes!". As to your ''other'' question, Lelouch is a trained pilot. He learned by using his mom's old mecha to make pizzas at school festivals.

*** The DesignatedHero protagonist argument only goes so far. Plenty of straight [[TheRival antagonist]] AntiHero characters have been favored over the protagonist, regardless of whether or not the protagonist is boring. Some of the more notable examples have included [[InuYasha Sesshomaru]], [[Anime/YuGiOh Seto Kaiba]], and of course, [[MobileSuitGundam Char Aznable]]. CodeGeass simply flipped the script by having the protagonist be the ByronicHero, while at the same time serving as a [[DeconstructedTrope deconstruction]] by him having heroic motives and a more sympathetic characterization. And the other aforementioned characters received more than enough screentime to be portrayed and/or act more sympathetically, but just didn't. It certainly doesn't help things that [[CosmicPlaything the universe often has it in for Lelouch when he's trying to do the right thing]], or that the only other characters with any true vision and competence, namely Xing-ke and Kaguya, can be counted with one hand, with the rest impeding any hopes for world peace in one way or another. To put it another way, if not for Suzaku's [[SpannerInTheWorks troublesome interference]] or [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Ohgi convincing the Black Knights to betray Lelouch based on suspicious evidence]], Lelouch would have never flown [[DespairEventHorizon off the deep end]] and resorted to a [[ThanatosGambit self-sacrificial gambit for world peace]] [[GenghisGambit that hinged on him creating even more destruction]], and leaving the world without his talents in case of another conflict, which is too likely, since it is impossible for humans to cease hating on the currently existing, and to focus all the hate on one person is [[FridgeLogic questionable at best]]. Add to that that many of the undeserving people, including Ohgi, Villetta, and Cornelia, got happy endings, and it's pretty clear why Lelouch gets a lot of enduring sympathy.

** This is a world in which Japan is part of the British Empire, the EU was founded in the 19th century, and immortals can give people magic eye powers. It's entirely possible someone outside Japan got the idea. Come to think of it, ''StarWars'' had mecha in it in the real world and that's 100% American.

* I don't understand exactly the idea with the Britannian Empire being the initial developers of the mecha used in the series. Apart from the likes of Transformers and possibly BattleTech, the British and the Americans have never been particularly enchanted towards the idea of the gigantic humanoid-shaped robotic war machine. The closest that science fiction in America gets towards the mecha is usually the likes of the "Starship Troopers" style battlesuit rather than the full-sized mecha.

### While we know that Zero did kill Euphemia, all we have in terms of evidence is a recording that could have been faked. Tamaki himself stated that the recording could have been faked, and they only changed the subject, never actually analyzing it. If they had demanded an explanation as well as examined the original recording, or demanded an interview with Suzaku on the entire conversation as a whole, then they would have gotten the full story, and while they might not have agreed with Zero or believed it to be an accident, they accepted far to readily the recording on face value. All in all, they were far too impatient in the revolution, and the conversation was far too onesided. They never even really gave Zero a chance to speak for his own actions, or even address the issues at hand. The entire thing was handled poorly, and it all came down to them believing an evil Britannian Prince who just caused the deaths of 35 million people (albeit incidentally) and their commander who had been working with a Britannian woman who none of them even knew about over Zero, the man who had led them to victory time and time again.

*** The DesignatedHero protagonist argument only goes so far though. Plenty of straight [[TheRival antagonist]] AntiHero characters have been favored over the protagonist, often attributed to DesignatedProtagonistSyndrome, regardless of whether or not the protagonist is boring. Some of the more notable examples have included [[InuYasha Sesshomaru]], [[Anime/YuGiOh Seto Kaiba]], and of course, [[MobileSuitGundam Char Aznable]]. CodeGeass simply flipped the script by having the protagonist be the ByronicHero, while at the same time serving as a [[DeconstructedTrope deconstruction]] by him having heroic motives and a more sympathetic characterization. And the other aforementioned characters received more than enough screentime to be portrayed and/or act more sympathetically, but just didn't. It certainly doesn't help things that [[CosmicPlaything the universe often has it in for Lelouch when he's trying to do the right thing]], or that the only other characters with any true vision and competence, namely Xing-ke and Kaguya, can be counted with one hand, with the rest impeding any hopes for world peace in one way or another. To put it another way, if not for Suzaku's [[SpannerInTheWorks troublesome interference]] or [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Ohgi convincing the Black Knights to betray Lelouch based on suspicious evidence]], Lelouch would have never flown [[DespairEventHorizon off the deep end]] and resorted to a [[ThanatosGambit self-sacrificial gambit for world peace]] [[GenghisGambit that hinged on him creating even more destruction]], and leaving the world without his talents in case of another conflict, which is too likely, since it is impossible for humans to cease hating on the currently existing, and to focus all the hate on one person is [[FridgeLogic questionable at best]]. Add to that that many of the undeserving people, including Ohgi, Villetta, and Cornelia, got happy endings, and it's pretty clear why Lelouch gets a lot of enduring sympathy.
*** Infact, Lelouch may suffer from DesignatedProtagonistSyndrome himself, which is too likely due to the show's BrokenBase, and his status as a BaseBreaker. There are a lot of people who have sided with Britannia, and even view Gino as an okay guy, mistaking his [[UpperClassTwit cluelessness]] for [[HarmlessVillain harmless idiocy]], ignoring some of his declarations (he often believed that mass violation of Britannian law was a pretext to a purge) and his [[CombatPragmatist questionable and dangerous battle tactics]]. Not as {{egregrious}}, though still suspicious, is the praise Guilford himself gets. While he is honorable and sympathetic, many of his fans mistake his valor for heroism. While he doesn't kick any dogs, he certainly doesn't go out of his way to help improve things, from being the knight of the brutal [[TheBaroness Cornelia]], and eventually being a more benign case of ObstructiveBureaucrat in R2. Evidently, he scored sympathy points after getting geassed by Lelouch (which ended up being out of necessity), almost getting caught in the F.L.E.I.J.A., losing his sight, and finally making it back to Cornelia. That he stands in the way of most efforts towards peace, whether or not by his own design, are overlooked.

*** Seems a mixture of both. Apparently, [[YouSayGirlLikeABadThing a badass action girl must reject the "useless" girly feelings]] and is morally obligated to [[FanPreferredCouple just leave her love interest into a "more deserving girl"'s care]]. LOL, NO.

* Okay, so WordOfGod confirms that [[spoiler: Lelouch is dead]]. The fandom's popular theory that [[spoiler: he acquired a Code from Charles in the World of C, making him immortal]] is repeatedly {{jossed}} to hell and back. Fine. But what I don't understand was why the cutscene at the very end of the series (which was intended to let the viewer decide for themselves how they wished to interpret it) seems to imply (if not outright prove) that [[spoiler: Lelouch is unambiguously alive]]. It seems that the idea went from "have that cutscene to [[TheEndOrIsIt let the viewer figure it out]]" to "''remove'' the scene to make it more ambiguous" to flat-out "WordOfGod [[{{Jossed}} shot the fans' theory down]] - he's [[spoiler: dead]]". It just seems the creator [[FlipFlopOfGod flip-flopped on that decision so much]] that in my eyes, he's practically a LyingCreator. Plus, even though [[spoiler: Lelouch never fulfills his contract with C.C.]], she's apparently happy now with living forever, and got what she wanted, even though [[spoiler: the person who ''gave'' her what she wanted is no longer with her, and she's back to where she started prior to the series]]. I suppose it's just me [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike Complaining About Endings I Don't Like]], but still...

*** Using psychic powers to violate the wills and minds of other human beings is a bad thing? Weird, that belief somehow did not turn up when Charles [[MindRape mind raped]] Lelouch. The only way Suzaku's insanely and obviously hypocritical actions mesh with his idealistic nature is through extremely advanced [[{{Literature/1984}} doublethink]].

*** Using psychic powers to violate the wills and minds of other human beings is a bad thing? Weird, that belief somehow did not turn up when Charles [[MindRape mind raped]] Lelouch. The only way Suzaku's insanely and obviously hypocritical actions mesh with his idealistic nature is through extremely advanced {{Literature/1984 doublethink}}.

*** Using psychic powers to violate the wills and minds of other human beings is a bad thing? Weird, that belief somehow did not turn up when Charles [[MindRape mind raped]] Lelouch. The only way Suzaku's insanely and obviously hypocritical actions mesh with his idealistic nature is through extremely advanced [[Literature/1984 doublethink]].

*** Supposedly, the Britannian system is based upon the Japanese imperial system from a few centuries ago, when the Emperor would take several wives and concubines, have children by them, and have the children ordered according to age and preference. The heirs were known to marry each other as a way to strengthen inter-clan alliances. The Turkish Ottoman system was likely another influence of the ''CodeGeass'' one, where the Sultan would have numerous children by wives and concubines, have them take over provinces as governors/viceroys, and then let them duke it out for the throne once the old king is dead[[hottip:*:[[{{Coldplay}} Long live]] [[FanVid the king!]]]] ([[KlingonPromotion or before then]]). Likely, it's a mix of both systems with a bit of the British system thrown in. Taking all this into account, it's likely that Lelouch is 11th Prince (and Nunnally 11th Princess) due to the warring factors of his and his mother's brilliance and favour with TheEmperor, at odds with his mother's commoner heritage. Also keep in mind that Lelouch is 11th Prince, but it's likely that Cornelia, Guinevere, Euphie, and other Princesses are included in the order after each prince (Odysseus, followed by Guinevere, then Scheizel, then Cornelia, then Clovis, then Euphie, then Carine, etc... then Lelouch somewhere down the line). At one point in a sound episode, a brother by the name of Oscar is mentioned offhand by Schneizel as a possible viceroy for Area 11 before Clovis volunteers. Nunnally could be 87th in line for the throne due to the fact that she is considered useless due to her blindness and paralysis, having been bumped down the list after being reinstated (or being there all along, since she was seven when she was cast out and not particularly useful to Chuck). Lelouch, likewise, would be higher than some of his older siblings due to his genius, but lower than others, hence 17th in line whilst there were 21 princes and princesses ahead of him. Carine likely got so high due to her sheer bloodlust - a valued trait in a racist militaristic empire. Euphie probably got by based on being Cornelia's sister, which is probably why Nunnally was 11th princess to Lulu's prince. The number a royal heir is attached to doesn't always match up with their designated place in the line of succession, it would seem.