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Maniacaldude Since: Aug, 2011
Oct 21st 2014 at 10:20:06 PM •••

I took the entry relating to "The Eighties" off this page. Not only is the topic way too broad, but that's implying that everything from this era should be forgotten or doesn't deserve to be remembered. Sure, it wasn't a perfect era, but it's still looked back at fondly, especially by those who grew up during this time, and to classify it as an "Old Shame" just seems ludicrous to me.

Naram-Sin Since: May, 2009
Aug 28th 2013 at 5:12:30 AM •••

And also taken out:

"The PRC prefers not to talk about the negative aspects of Mao Zedong's rule, during the "Great Leap Forward" and the "Cultural Revolution", which resulted in the deaths of millions of Chinese who either died of starvation, or were persecuted for being accused as traitors. In a similar sense how Japan continues to deny their own World War II war crimes, any Chinese history textbooks may either not mention them at all or give small minor abridged details about it."

Since China's stance of Mao and Japan in WW 2 are both mentioned previously on the text.

Naram-Sin Since: May, 2009
Aug 28th 2013 at 5:10:12 AM •••

Taken out:

"Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was an avowed racist who spoke at Ku Klux Klan rallies. She was also a firm advocate of eugenics."

First of all, this example makes no mention if Sanger ever recanted that position so it doesn't fit in the page anyway (is this supposed to read as an old shame for Sanger herself, or the whole planned parenthood movement?). Second, it very much looks like a manipulative statement.

First, Sanger was invited to speak by the women's section of the KKK in 1926, who was a legit organization at the time, and she presumably spoke of what interested her, birth control and female sexuality. I'm no Sanger biographer, but in her 1938 autobiography she recalls the event as one of the "weirdest" in her life and how she had to water it down to childish terms for the audience to understand. Hardly what an enthusiastic supporter of the KKK and its members would say. I also doubt that qualifies as a "KKK rally".

Second, she wasn't an "avowed racist". She supported esterilization of the mentally challenged, which many people at the time did. She did not, and in fact spoke strongly against, racially motivated eugenics and the version of eugenics practiced by the Nazis in particular. She opened a birth control clinic in Harlem, but so she did everywhere she went. Birth control was the entire point of Sanger's career, because she though it was a good thing. The fact she had birth control clinics in African-American areas reflect that she actually saw African-Americans as people and was trying to help them in the same level she did with any other ethnic group. This clinic, by the way, was entirely staffed by African-American nurses and doctors.

SD Since: Jan, 2013
Feb 5th 2013 at 9:01:01 AM •••

A note regarding the "old shame" status of the Baltimore Orioles: at this point, most fans don't consider it an old shame that the team proper existed in another city, and in fact would see it as a good thing that the Orioles don't acknowledge their time in St Louis. When the Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis, they took the team name, colors, history, and so forth, and it's something Baltimore fans have never lived down. One of the Baltimore Colts' most famous players, Johnny Unitas, even requested that he be removed from the NFL Hall of Fame rather than be listed as an Indianapolis Colt (the NFL refused).

So Baltimore may be ignoring the past of the team specifically because they know what it's like to have their own past retroactively transferred to somebody else, preferring to let a team's history stay in the town where the team played. But I'm not sure this warrants an "averted" addition to the page, because it feels like I'm just starting a conversation mid-article.

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