Discussion History Main / SpoiledSweet

Strictly speaking, both were part of the \\\"HolyRomanEmpire of the German Nation\\\" from around 962 until 1806. Until the establishment of the (second) German Empire (\\\'\\\'Deutsches Reich\\\'\\\') in 1870, Austria, Prussia, Saxony, Bavaria, \\\'\\\'[[PrussiaAndAllThatLot et al.]]\\\'\\\' were considered as much \\\"Germany\\\" (or \\\"the Germanies\\\") as, say, Castile, Leon, and Aragon were considered \\\"Spain\\\" or Lombardy, Tuscany, and Sicily \\\"Italy.\\\" Remember Germany as defined in \\\'\\\'Das Deutschlandlied\\\'\\\': \\\'\\\'Von der Maas bis an die Memel, Von der Etsch bis an den Belt\\\'\\\'--that is, from the Meuse in Belgium to the Niemen in Lithuania, from the Adige in northern Italy to the Lillebælt in Denmark. When the song was written in 1841, every one of those borders could be justified, if only in rather a tortuous juridical manner as the English historically justified a claim to half of France or the French to much of western Germany.

Strictly speaking, both were part of the \\\"HolyRomanEmpire of the German Nation\\\" from around 962 until 1806. Until the establishment of the (second) German Empire (\\\'\\\'Deutsches Reich\\\'\\\') in 1870, Austria, Prussia, Saxony, Bavaria, \\\'\\\'[[PrussiaAndAllThatLot et al.]]\\\'\\\' were considered as much \\\"Germany\\\" (or \\\"the Germanies\\\") as, say, Castile, Leon, and Aragon were considered \\\"Spain\\\" or Lombardy, Tuscany, and Sicily \\\"Italy.\\\" Remember Germany as defined in \\\'\\\'Das Deutschlandlied\\\'\\\': Von der Maas bis an die Memel, Von der Etsch bis an den Belt\\\'\\\'--that is, from the Meuse in Belgium to the Niemen in Lithuania, from the Adige in northern Italy to the Lillebælt in Denmark. When the song was written in 1841, every one of those borders could be justified, if only in rather a tortuous juridical manner as the English historically justified a claim to half of France or the French to much of western Germany.

Strictly speaking, both were part of the \\\"HolyRomanEmpire of the German Nation\\\" from around 962 until 1806. Until the establishment of the (second) German Empire (\\\'\\\'Deutsches Reich\\\'\\\') in 1870, Austria, Prussia, Saxony, Bavaria, \\\'\\\'[[PrussiaAndAllThatLot et al.]]\\\'\\\' were considered as much \\\"Germany\\\" (or \\\"the Germanies\\\") as, say, Castile, Leon, and Aragon were considered \\\"Spain\\\" or Lombardy, Tuscany, and Sicily \\\"Italy.\\\" Remember Germany as defined in \\\'\\\'Das Deutschlandlied\\\'\\\': Von der Maas bis an die Memel, Von der Etsch bis an den Belt\\\'\\\'--that is, from the Meuse in Belgium to the Niemen in Lithuania, from the Adige in northern Italy to the Lillebælt in Denmark. When the song was written in 1841, every one of those borders could be justified, if only rather in rather a tortuous juridical manner as the English justified a claim to half of France or the French to much of western Germany.

Strictly speaking, both were part of the \\\"HolyRomanEmpire of the German Nation\\\" from around 962 until 1806. Until the establishment of the (second) German Empire (\\\'\\\'Deutsches Reich\\\'\\\') in 1870, Austria, Prussia, Saxony, Bavaria, \\\'\\\'[[PrussiaAndAllThatLot et al.]]\\\'\\\' were considered as much \\\"Germany\\\" (or \\\"the Germanies\\\") as, say, Castile, Leon, and Aragon were considered \\\"Spain\\\" or Lombardy, Tuscany, and Sicily \\\"Italy.\\\" Remember Germany as defined in \\\'\\\'Das Deutschlandlied\\\'\\\': Von der Maas bis an die Memel, Von der Etsch bis an den Belt\\\'\\\'--that is, from the Meuse in Belgium to the Niemen in Lithuania, from the Adige in northern Italy to the Lillebælt in Denmark. When the song was written in 1841, everyone of those borders could be justified, if only rather in rather a tortuous juridical manner as the English justified a claim to half of France or the French to much of western Germany.