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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans bug anybody else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own. And yes, a DMoS is centered around opinion, though sometimes with arguments to back it up. But after short analysis, the arguments are where the entry falls apart, badly, and they make up the majority of it.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope (or ten) to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. Or the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. And then there\\\'s the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure and could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope (or ten) to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. Or the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. And then there\\\'s the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure and could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans bug anybody else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own. And yes, a DMoS is centered around opinion, though sometimes with arguments to back it up. But after short analysis, the arguments are where the entry falls apart, badly, and they make up the majority of it.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans bug anybody else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own. And yes, a DMoS is centered around opinion, though sometimes with arguments to back it up. But after short analysis, the arguments are where the entry falls apart, and badly.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans bug anybody else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own. And yes, a DMoS is centered around opinion, with arguments to back it up. But after short analysis, the arguments are where the entry falls apart, badly.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans bug anybody else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. With that said, of course, the entry is hardly so save for a couple areas. The start of their entry \\\'\\\'used\\\'\\\' to be antagonistic, but they changed that, and I\\\'ll definitely give credit where credit is due. And yes, a DMoS is centered around opinion, with arguments to back it up. But then, after short analysis, the arguments are where the entry falls apart. This isn\\\'t a movement for removal of the entry, just details on \\\'\\\'why\\\'\\\' their reasoning falls apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Can somebody please tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans bug anybody else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yes, a DMoS is centered around opinion. But even then, after short analysis, I feel the arguments for the DMoS in question fall apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship of that size in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans bug anybody else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yes, a DMoS is centered around opinion. But even then, after short analysis, I feel the arguments for the DMoS in question fall apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans seem a little... strange to anyone else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yeah, I know, a DMoS is centered around opinion, but this one seriously irks me. After ten minutes of analysis (and much longer of typing, but what can ya do) their reasoning just falls apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a Disney princess to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans seem a little... strange to anyone else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yeah, I know, a DMoS is centered around opinion, but this one seriously irks me. After ten minutes of analysis (and much longer of typing, but what can ya do) their reasoning just falls apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a \\\"Disney princess\\\" to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, the Queen of Arendelle, the highest authority, and a \\\"Disney princess\\\" to boot, because they thought she had just murdered her own sister. And seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans seem a little... strange to anyone else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yeah, I know, a DMoS is centered around opinion, but this one seriously irks me. After ten minutes of analysis (and much longer of typing, but what can ya do) their reasoning just falls apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not punch Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans seem a little... strange to anyone else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yeah, I know, a DMoS is centered around opinion, but this one seriously irks me. After ten minutes of analysis (and much longer of typing, but what can ya do) their reasoning just falls apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'First problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Second problem\\\'\\\'\\\': Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* \\\'\\\'\\\'Third problem\\\'\\\'\\\': \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans seem a little... strange to anyone else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yeah, I know, a DMoS is centered around opinion, but this one seriously irks me. After ten minutes of analysis (and much longer of typing, but what can ya do) their reasoning just falls apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* First problem: Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* Second problem: Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* Third problem: Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* First problem: The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* Second problem: The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* First problem: Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* Second problem: Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* Third problem: \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* First problem: Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* Second problem: Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* Third problem: Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* First problem: The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* Second problem: The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* First problem: Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* Second problem: Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* Third problem: \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans seem a little... strange to anyone else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yeah, I know, a DMoS is centered around opinion, but this one seriously irks me. After ten minutes of analysis (and much longer of typing, but what can ya do) their reasoning just falls apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* First problem: Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* Second problem: Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* Third problem: Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* First problem: The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* Second problem: The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* First problem: Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* Second problem: Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* Third problem: \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
* First problem: Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
* Second problem: Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
* Third problem: Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
* First problem: The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
* Second problem: The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
* First problem: Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
* Second problem: Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
* Third problem: \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans seem a little... strange to anyone else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yeah, I know, a DMoS is centered around opinion, but this one seriously irks me. After ten minutes of analysis (and much longer of typing, but what can ya do) their reasoning just falls apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
First problem: Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
Second problem: Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
Third problem: Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
First problem: The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
Second problem: The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
First problem: Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
Second problem: Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
Third problem: \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
First problem: Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
Second problem: Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
Third problem: Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
First problem: The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
Second problem: The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was little chance of Hans being able to swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
First problem: Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
Second problem: Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
Third problem: \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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Does the huge rant about Anna punching Hans seem a little... strange to anyone else? Don\\\'t get me wrong, if you don\\\'t like Frozen, or parts of Frozen, no problem. To each their own, as long as you\\\'re not antagonistic about your opinion then it\\\'s fine. And yeah, I know, a DMoS is centered around opinion, but this one seriously irks me. After ten minutes of analysis (and much longer of typing, but what can ya do) their reasoning just falls apart.
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
First problem: Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
Second problem: Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
Third problem: Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
First problem: The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
Second problem: The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was no way to know that Hans could swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
First problem: Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
Second problem: Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
Third problem: \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
Their argument begins by claiming that the power behind the punch came out of nowhere except for a \\\"strong feminist icon\\\" and that it delved into Mary Sue territory.
First problem: Anna is clearly shown with competent strength in the movie, twirling around with a metal bust, effortlessly lifting an arm of steel-plated armor, and carrying herself through a snowstorm while freezing to death from the inside.
Second problem: Even if Anna wasn\\\'t that strong, to punch Hans over the rail of the ship and into the water is completely possible. Hans\\\'s footing (an essential factor) was certainly weak at the time, given the likely rush of adrenaline to his legs.
Third problem: Even if his footing was fine, the punch she gave didn\\\'t require much strength. She didn\\\'t send him flying, she sent him falling over the rail. That\\\'s not superhuman strength, that\\\'s basic transfer of momentum in tandem with gravity.
For this, we\\\'ll take this picture as reference ( [[https://i.imgur.com/s481oLj.jpg]] ). In three of their points, they say the punch ruined Anna\\\'s heroic characterization by showing corruption, that she should have listened to Hans\\\'s point that Elsa froze her heart, and that the action was misandrist.
First problem: The claim of corruption. By forgiving her stressed sister for an accident out of her control instead of forgiving a clearly sadistic man for two completely intentional attempted murders that happened no less than thirty minutes before, she is apparently corrupted.
Second problem: The claim of misandry. Misandry is prejudice or discrimination against men. Anna did not Hans because he was a man. Look back to the picture linked above. Hans was not attacked because he had a penis and testicles. He was attacked because minutes before he made a clear effort to either chop Elsa\\\'s head off or slice her body in half, sickeningly grinning the whole time, not in self defense, but so that he could steal her kingdom.
One of their other points is that there was no way to know that Hans could swim, and had he drowned, Anna would be even more guilty than he would have been. For this one, let\\\'s refer to this picture ( [[https://i.imgur.com/tfXwUtP.jpg]] ) from the first act of the movie, where he\\\'s clearly seen swimming.
First problem: Hans is, as said before, clearly seen swimming. With one hand holding up a rowboat as he uses the rest of his limbs to stay afloat, and not panicking in the slightest. It\\\'s quite safe to say he is fully capable of swimming, and that the accident was brought up during their hours-long conversation afterwards, thus Anna would be fully aware Hans is capable of swimming. One of their points is that Anna\\\'s punch must have left the man with minor bruising at most, so unconsciousness and resultant drowning is out of the question.
Second problem: Let\\\'s say Anna isn\\\'t aware Hans can swim. There are plenty of ways to save him. On a post-Renaissance ship that was surely bringing important political figures and was just thawed from ice by magic, the safety equipment would have been perfectly intact. A rope to throw down, or a life preserver made out of cork, perhaps. If not that, then the bulging section of any ship in such an era that always has a form of ladder or some handhold attached. If not that, then the woman who can freeze a platform of ice for Hans to grab on to. If not that, the reindeer we\\\'ve clearly seen can swim could dive in and save him. If not that, the man who mines ice from frozen lakes for a living that would know how to swim for sure could dive in and save him.
Third problem: \\\"She wouldn\\\'t be convicted of it because she\\\'s a princess.\\\" Like it or not, the present court is \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' shown agreeing to the execution of Elsa, their Queen, because they thought she had just murdered a member of royalty, and seeing as there were members of the Arendelle Guard accompanying Hans, it wasn\\\'t just the court. If they somehow did decide Anna was unjustified in striking the attempted murderer and usurper into the water, then yes, they would absolutely convict her, royalty or not. Royalty is not the reason the main characters were forgiven for their mistakes. They\\\'re forgiven because they fixed them.
What I\\\'m referring to last here is their accusation of \\\"Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male\\\". As said before, Hans is not being punched because he doesn\\\'t have ovaries, he\\\'s being punched because he\\\'s a sadistic attempted murderer. Anna is not supported and forgiven because she\\\'s a woman, she\\\'s supported because she\\\'s giving said sadistic attempted murderer retribution.
Seriously, can somebody tell me they\\\'re also seeing all of these issues with the rant?
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