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\\\"Not even if someone makes a passing comparison that quirk to vampires? If no, then what trope would cover that aspect of the character?\\\"
Actually, for this trope, that\\\'s all that\\\'s needed. I don\\\'t want to have to deliberatly spell it out for you, but again, look at the entry on bounts! They\\\'re referred to as Vampires but only have the energy/life force sucking aspect of vampirism.
If they were not, they\\\'d barely qualify as anything other than Anthropophagi or other forms of Life-force/Blood consumer.
Succubai are often said to suck souls, but they are not vampires. It takes more than a feeding apparatus to classify them as something.
Also, on the main page, Fate Stay Night has no list for vampires on the main page. Why? Because it takes place in the Nasuverse and the Nasuverse explicitly already has vampires.
The problem is that there are multiple sets of criteria. In one, it only takes a single check to get in.
In another, it takes 2 or more checks.
* The {{Nasuverse}} (emphasis on \\\'\\\'{{Tsukihime}}\\\'\\\') muddles the meaning of \\\"vampire\\\" quite a bit:
** True Ancestors are the original vampires, spirit beings so powerful they can manifest in a physical form. They were willed into being \\\'\\\'by the planet itself\\\'\\\' as a self-protection program against the spread of humanity. They don\\\'t need to drink blood at all, but because the Crimson Moon tricked Gaia into using him as the template, they inevitably succumb to [[SuperpoweredEvilSide bloodlust]] anyway.
** Dead Apostles start out as mindless zombies (created by another vampire injecting some of their own blood into a person) that gradually gain in power and intelligence over hundreds of years as they feed on flesh and blood until they finally evolve into complete vampires. Arcueid gives specific, vanishing odds for undead to make it out of each stage. Of course, if you have the magic potential and/or sheer luck, it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' possible to skip a few steps, [[spoiler:like Satsuki, who skipped straight to the final stage, \\\'\\\'complete with a Reality Marble\\\'\\\']].
** And then for the wtf-factor, we have: a mobile bloodsucking forest, a phenomenon that doesn\\\'t actually \\\"exist\\\", a crow-man/thing, a little boy with demons for limbs, a chaotic composite of 666 familiars that feast on human flesh, and an EldritchAbomination/personification of Mercury that half got the designation by virtue of [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt killing a Dead Apostle who tried to study it]].
** In any case, neither are susceptible to water, stakes, or the traditional anti-vampire weapons. While cannon fodder vampires can be harmed by guns and swords, most of the stronger Dead Apostles (and \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of the True Ancestors, as well as the strange group of Dead Apostle Ancestors) cannot be harmed by \\\"real\\\" weapons. By the rules of the {{Nasuverse}}, this means something mythical on the same scale as a \\\"mythical\\\" being like a vampire. Not to mention, even if they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' hurt, the stronger ones can come back to life by \\\'\\\'reversing time\\\'\\\'. The most extreme example? [[spoiler:Roa regenerating himself after being slashed apart down to his \\\'\\\'ankles\\\'\\\' by Arcueid]] in \\\'\\\'{{Tsukihime}}\\\'\\\'. Granted, that was only possible because the moon was full.
** Basically, the one \\\"weakness\\\" common to all Nasuverse vampires (True Ancestors \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' Dead Apostles) is [[strike:Nanaya]] sunlight. On one end are most Dead Apostles, for whom sunlight greatly hastens their bodies\\\' degeneration; on the other end is Arcueid, who during daytime ranges from \\\"somewhat weaker\\\" to \\\"sluggish and lethargic\\\" (on the sunniest of days). Arcueid also seems to have very allergic to garlic, though whether this applies to all vampires (or should even be considered canon) is not clear.
** Then again you could probably count on your fingers the amount of times the word \\\"vampire\\\" was actually said.
***Arcueid: \\\"Dead Apostiles eat people and True Ancestors are out to hunt them.\\\"\\\\\\\\
Shiki: \\\"oh you mean like vampires right\\\" \\\\\\\\
Arcueid: \\\"Yeah, I guess you can call it that.\\\"
Actually, for this trope, that\\\'s all that\\\'s needed. I don\\\'t want to have to deliberatly spell it out for you, but again, look at the entry on bounts! They\\\'re referred to as Vampires but only have the energy/life force sucking aspect of vampirism.
If they were not, they\\\'d barely qualify as anything other than Anthropophagi or other forms of Life-force/Blood consumer.
Succubai are often said to suck souls, but they are not vampires. It takes more than a feeding apparatus to classify them as something.
Also, on the main page, Fate Stay Night has no list for vampires on the main page. Why? Because it takes place in the Nasuverse and the Nasuverse explicitly already has vampires.
The problem is that there are multiple sets of criteria. In one, it only takes a single check to get in.
In another, it takes 2 or more checks.
* The {{Nasuverse}} (emphasis on \\\'\\\'{{Tsukihime}}\\\'\\\') muddles the meaning of \\\"vampire\\\" quite a bit:
** True Ancestors are the original vampires, spirit beings so powerful they can manifest in a physical form. They were willed into being \\\'\\\'by the planet itself\\\'\\\' as a self-protection program against the spread of humanity. They don\\\'t need to drink blood at all, but because the Crimson Moon tricked Gaia into using him as the template, they inevitably succumb to [[SuperpoweredEvilSide bloodlust]] anyway.
** Dead Apostles start out as mindless zombies (created by another vampire injecting some of their own blood into a person) that gradually gain in power and intelligence over hundreds of years as they feed on flesh and blood until they finally evolve into complete vampires. Arcueid gives specific, vanishing odds for undead to make it out of each stage. Of course, if you have the magic potential and/or sheer luck, it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' possible to skip a few steps, [[spoiler:like Satsuki, who skipped straight to the final stage, \\\'\\\'complete with a Reality Marble\\\'\\\']].
** And then for the wtf-factor, we have: a mobile bloodsucking forest, a phenomenon that doesn\\\'t actually \\\"exist\\\", a crow-man/thing, a little boy with demons for limbs, a chaotic composite of 666 familiars that feast on human flesh, and an EldritchAbomination/personification of Mercury that half got the designation by virtue of [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt killing a Dead Apostle who tried to study it]].
** In any case, neither are susceptible to water, stakes, or the traditional anti-vampire weapons. While cannon fodder vampires can be harmed by guns and swords, most of the stronger Dead Apostles (and \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of the True Ancestors, as well as the strange group of Dead Apostle Ancestors) cannot be harmed by \\\"real\\\" weapons. By the rules of the {{Nasuverse}}, this means something mythical on the same scale as a \\\"mythical\\\" being like a vampire. Not to mention, even if they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' hurt, the stronger ones can come back to life by \\\'\\\'reversing time\\\'\\\'. The most extreme example? [[spoiler:Roa regenerating himself after being slashed apart down to his \\\'\\\'ankles\\\'\\\' by Arcueid]] in \\\'\\\'{{Tsukihime}}\\\'\\\'. Granted, that was only possible because the moon was full.
** Basically, the one \\\"weakness\\\" common to all Nasuverse vampires (True Ancestors \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' Dead Apostles) is [[strike:Nanaya]] sunlight. On one end are most Dead Apostles, for whom sunlight greatly hastens their bodies\\\' degeneration; on the other end is Arcueid, who during daytime ranges from \\\"somewhat weaker\\\" to \\\"sluggish and lethargic\\\" (on the sunniest of days). Arcueid also seems to have very allergic to garlic, though whether this applies to all vampires (or should even be considered canon) is not clear.
** Then again you could probably count on your fingers the amount of times the word \\\"vampire\\\" was actually said.
***Arcueid: \\\"Dead Apostiles eat people and True Ancestors are out to hunt them.\\\"\\\\\\\\
Shiki: \\\"oh you mean like vampires right\\\" \\\\\\\\
Arcueid: \\\"Yeah, I guess you can call it that.\\\"
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\\\"Not even if someone makes a passing comparison that quirk to vampires? If no, then what trope would cover that aspect of the character?\\\"
Actually, for this trope, that\\\'s all that\\\'s needed. I don\\\'t want to have to deliberatly spell it out for you, but again, look at the entry on bounts! They\\\'re referred to as Vampires but only have the energy/life force sucking aspect of vampirism.
If they were not, they\\\'d barely qualify as anything other than Anthropophagi.
Also, on the main page, Fate Stay Night has no list for vampires on the main page. Why? Because it takes place in the Nasuverse and the Nasuverse explicitly already has vampires.
* The {{Nasuverse}} (emphasis on \\\'\\\'{{Tsukihime}}\\\'\\\') muddles the meaning of \\\"vampire\\\" quite a bit:
** True Ancestors are the original vampires, spirit beings so powerful they can manifest in a physical form. They were willed into being \\\'\\\'by the planet itself\\\'\\\' as a self-protection program against the spread of humanity. They don\\\'t need to drink blood at all, but because the Crimson Moon tricked Gaia into using him as the template, they inevitably succumb to [[SuperpoweredEvilSide bloodlust]] anyway.
** Dead Apostles start out as mindless zombies (created by another vampire injecting some of their own blood into a person) that gradually gain in power and intelligence over hundreds of years as they feed on flesh and blood until they finally evolve into complete vampires. Arcueid gives specific, vanishing odds for undead to make it out of each stage. Of course, if you have the magic potential and/or sheer luck, it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' possible to skip a few steps, [[spoiler:like Satsuki, who skipped straight to the final stage, \\\'\\\'complete with a Reality Marble\\\'\\\']].
** And then for the wtf-factor, we have: a mobile bloodsucking forest, a phenomenon that doesn\\\'t actually \\\"exist\\\", a crow-man/thing, a little boy with demons for limbs, a chaotic composite of 666 familiars that feast on human flesh, and an EldritchAbomination/personification of Mercury that half got the designation by virtue of [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt killing a Dead Apostle who tried to study it]].
** In any case, neither are susceptible to water, stakes, or the traditional anti-vampire weapons. While cannon fodder vampires can be harmed by guns and swords, most of the stronger Dead Apostles (and \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of the True Ancestors, as well as the strange group of Dead Apostle Ancestors) cannot be harmed by \\\"real\\\" weapons. By the rules of the {{Nasuverse}}, this means something mythical on the same scale as a \\\"mythical\\\" being like a vampire. Not to mention, even if they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' hurt, the stronger ones can come back to life by \\\'\\\'reversing time\\\'\\\'. The most extreme example? [[spoiler:Roa regenerating himself after being slashed apart down to his \\\'\\\'ankles\\\'\\\' by Arcueid]] in \\\'\\\'{{Tsukihime}}\\\'\\\'. Granted, that was only possible because the moon was full.
** Basically, the one \\\"weakness\\\" common to all Nasuverse vampires (True Ancestors \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' Dead Apostles) is [[strike:Nanaya]] sunlight. On one end are most Dead Apostles, for whom sunlight greatly hastens their bodies\\\' degeneration; on the other end is Arcueid, who during daytime ranges from \\\"somewhat weaker\\\" to \\\"sluggish and lethargic\\\" (on the sunniest of days). Arcueid also seems to have very allergic to garlic, though whether this applies to all vampires (or should even be considered canon) is not clear.
** Then again you could probably count on your fingers the amount of times the word \\\"vampire\\\" was actually said.
***Arcueid: \\\"Dead Apostiles eat people and True Ancestors are out to hunt them.\\\"\\\\\\\\
Shiki: \\\"oh you mean like vampires right\\\" \\\\\\\\
Arcueid: \\\"Yeah, I guess you can call it that.\\\"
The problem is that there are multiple sets of criteria. In one, it only takes a single check to get in.
In another, it takes 2 or more checks.
Actually, for this trope, that\\\'s all that\\\'s needed. I don\\\'t want to have to deliberatly spell it out for you, but again, look at the entry on bounts! They\\\'re referred to as Vampires but only have the energy/life force sucking aspect of vampirism.
If they were not, they\\\'d barely qualify as anything other than Anthropophagi.
Also, on the main page, Fate Stay Night has no list for vampires on the main page. Why? Because it takes place in the Nasuverse and the Nasuverse explicitly already has vampires.
* The {{Nasuverse}} (emphasis on \\\'\\\'{{Tsukihime}}\\\'\\\') muddles the meaning of \\\"vampire\\\" quite a bit:
** True Ancestors are the original vampires, spirit beings so powerful they can manifest in a physical form. They were willed into being \\\'\\\'by the planet itself\\\'\\\' as a self-protection program against the spread of humanity. They don\\\'t need to drink blood at all, but because the Crimson Moon tricked Gaia into using him as the template, they inevitably succumb to [[SuperpoweredEvilSide bloodlust]] anyway.
** Dead Apostles start out as mindless zombies (created by another vampire injecting some of their own blood into a person) that gradually gain in power and intelligence over hundreds of years as they feed on flesh and blood until they finally evolve into complete vampires. Arcueid gives specific, vanishing odds for undead to make it out of each stage. Of course, if you have the magic potential and/or sheer luck, it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' possible to skip a few steps, [[spoiler:like Satsuki, who skipped straight to the final stage, \\\'\\\'complete with a Reality Marble\\\'\\\']].
** And then for the wtf-factor, we have: a mobile bloodsucking forest, a phenomenon that doesn\\\'t actually \\\"exist\\\", a crow-man/thing, a little boy with demons for limbs, a chaotic composite of 666 familiars that feast on human flesh, and an EldritchAbomination/personification of Mercury that half got the designation by virtue of [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt killing a Dead Apostle who tried to study it]].
** In any case, neither are susceptible to water, stakes, or the traditional anti-vampire weapons. While cannon fodder vampires can be harmed by guns and swords, most of the stronger Dead Apostles (and \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of the True Ancestors, as well as the strange group of Dead Apostle Ancestors) cannot be harmed by \\\"real\\\" weapons. By the rules of the {{Nasuverse}}, this means something mythical on the same scale as a \\\"mythical\\\" being like a vampire. Not to mention, even if they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' hurt, the stronger ones can come back to life by \\\'\\\'reversing time\\\'\\\'. The most extreme example? [[spoiler:Roa regenerating himself after being slashed apart down to his \\\'\\\'ankles\\\'\\\' by Arcueid]] in \\\'\\\'{{Tsukihime}}\\\'\\\'. Granted, that was only possible because the moon was full.
** Basically, the one \\\"weakness\\\" common to all Nasuverse vampires (True Ancestors \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' Dead Apostles) is [[strike:Nanaya]] sunlight. On one end are most Dead Apostles, for whom sunlight greatly hastens their bodies\\\' degeneration; on the other end is Arcueid, who during daytime ranges from \\\"somewhat weaker\\\" to \\\"sluggish and lethargic\\\" (on the sunniest of days). Arcueid also seems to have very allergic to garlic, though whether this applies to all vampires (or should even be considered canon) is not clear.
** Then again you could probably count on your fingers the amount of times the word \\\"vampire\\\" was actually said.
***Arcueid: \\\"Dead Apostiles eat people and True Ancestors are out to hunt them.\\\"\\\\\\\\
Shiki: \\\"oh you mean like vampires right\\\" \\\\\\\\
Arcueid: \\\"Yeah, I guess you can call it that.\\\"
The problem is that there are multiple sets of criteria. In one, it only takes a single check to get in.
In another, it takes 2 or more checks.
