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He doesn\'t feel shame in season 2; he feels bitter and disappointed. He\'s stuck in the middle of nowhere hiding from the authorities after his epic EvilPlan collapsed around him. But he is adamant that he has no remorse for his actions and that he feels no need to reform. With that in mind its hard to believe that he thinks he is a failure as a husband and father in any way other than \
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He doesn\\\'t feel shame in season 2; he feels bitter and disappointed. He\\\'s stuck in the middle of nowhere hiding from the authorities after his epic EvilPlan collapsed around him. But he is adamant that he has no remorse for his actions and that he feels no need to reform. With that in mind its hard to believe that he thinks he is a failure as a husband and father in any way other than \\\"I failed to \\\'\\\'\\\'make them love me\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\". I wouldn\\\'t say he feels \\\"guilty\\\" over his sex with Emma either; he\\\'s just worried about getting caught. What he wants is for Claire to idolize him; he doesn\\\'t want to lose his possession.
Basically, a lot of this comes down to AlternateCharacterInterpretation- whether or not he feels guilt or something else up in the air. You think he does- I think he\\\'s just spinning a yarn.
The problem is that the criteria of the trope is much more rigid than the criteria in RealLife- Joe easily, \\\'\\\'easily\\\'\\\' qualifies for Anti-Social Personality Disorder in an actual medical evaluation.
The idea that he has to meet \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of the above criteria rather than \\\"some or most of\\\" them is only true of the trope, not the actual condition. And that, I might add, was not part of the original trope description either. It was added last month.
And besides that, if you strip Joe for not meeting all of the criteria, then you might as well purge half the page, because as the description itself notes, most fictional sociopaths- including many of those listed as examples- are more emotional and complex than their real-life counterparts too. Guys like Bullseye and the Joker don\\\'t really qualify because they \\\'\\\'also\\\'\\\' form emotional attachments with others- granted, those others are their enemies, and those attachments are based on obsession and hatred, but that\\\'s still more than an actual sociopath (at least, as described above) would feel.
Basically, the page is not describing a sociopath. It is describing a psychopath.
Basically, a lot of this comes down to AlternateCharacterInterpretation- whether or not he feels guilt or something else up in the air. You think he does- I think he\\\'s just spinning a yarn.
The problem is that the criteria of the trope is much more rigid than the criteria in RealLife- Joe easily, \\\'\\\'easily\\\'\\\' qualifies for Anti-Social Personality Disorder in an actual medical evaluation.
The idea that he has to meet \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of the above criteria rather than \\\"some or most of\\\" them is only true of the trope, not the actual condition. And that, I might add, was not part of the original trope description either. It was added last month.
And besides that, if you strip Joe for not meeting all of the criteria, then you might as well purge half the page, because as the description itself notes, most fictional sociopaths- including many of those listed as examples- are more emotional and complex than their real-life counterparts too. Guys like Bullseye and the Joker don\\\'t really qualify because they \\\'\\\'also\\\'\\\' form emotional attachments with others- granted, those others are their enemies, and those attachments are based on obsession and hatred, but that\\\'s still more than an actual sociopath (at least, as described above) would feel.
Basically, the page is not describing a sociopath. It is describing a psychopath.
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He doesn\'t feel shame in season 2; he feels bitter and disappointed. He\'s stuck in the middle of nowhere hiding from the authorities after his epic EvilPlan collapsed around him. But he is adamant that he has no remorse for his actions and that he feels no need to reform. With that in mind its hard to see that he thinks he is a failure as a husband and father in any way other than \
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He doesn\\\'t feel shame in season 2; he feels bitter and disappointed. He\\\'s stuck in the middle of nowhere hiding from the authorities after his epic EvilPlan collapsed around him. But he is adamant that he has no remorse for his actions and that he feels no need to reform. With that in mind its hard to believe that he thinks he is a failure as a husband and father in any way other than \\\"I failed to \\\'\\\'\\\'make them love me\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\". I wouldn\\\'t say he feels \\\"guilty\\\" over his sex with Emma either; he\\\'s just worried about getting caught. What he wants is for Claire to idolize him; he doesn\\\'t want to lose his possession.
Basically, a lot of this comes down to AlternateCharacterInterpretation- whether or not he feels guilt or something else up in the air.
The problem is that the criteria of the trope is much more rigid than the criteria in RealLife- Joe easily, \\\'\\\'easily\\\'\\\' qualifies for Anti-Social Personality Disorder in an actual medical evaluation.
The idea that he has to meet \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of the above criteria rather than \\\"some or most of\\\" them is only true of the trope, not the actual condition. And that, I might add, was not part of the original trope description either. It was added last month.
And besides that, if you strip Joe for not meeting all of the criteria, then you might as well purge half the page, because as the description itself notes, most fictional sociopaths- including many of those listed as examples- are more emotional and complex than their real-life counterparts too. Guys like Bullseye and the Joker don\\\'t really qualify because they \\\'\\\'also\\\'\\\' form emotional attachments with others- granted, those others are their enemies, and those attachments are based on obsession and hatred, but that\\\'s still more than an actual sociopath (at least, as described above) would feel.
Basically, the page is not describing a sociopath. It is describing a psychopath.
Basically, a lot of this comes down to AlternateCharacterInterpretation- whether or not he feels guilt or something else up in the air.
The problem is that the criteria of the trope is much more rigid than the criteria in RealLife- Joe easily, \\\'\\\'easily\\\'\\\' qualifies for Anti-Social Personality Disorder in an actual medical evaluation.
The idea that he has to meet \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of the above criteria rather than \\\"some or most of\\\" them is only true of the trope, not the actual condition. And that, I might add, was not part of the original trope description either. It was added last month.
And besides that, if you strip Joe for not meeting all of the criteria, then you might as well purge half the page, because as the description itself notes, most fictional sociopaths- including many of those listed as examples- are more emotional and complex than their real-life counterparts too. Guys like Bullseye and the Joker don\\\'t really qualify because they \\\'\\\'also\\\'\\\' form emotional attachments with others- granted, those others are their enemies, and those attachments are based on obsession and hatred, but that\\\'s still more than an actual sociopath (at least, as described above) would feel.
Basically, the page is not describing a sociopath. It is describing a psychopath.
