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** A common special effect that tends to be remarked on this way is the Cybermen. The original Cybermen in \
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** A common special effect that tends to be remarked on this way is the Cybermen. The original Cybermen in \\\"The Tenth Planet\\\" were made of cloth and craft foam and had human hands, due to budgetary concerns. But, as cyborgs who had willingly sacrificed almost all of their bodies for surgical, mechanical alternatives, and with beautifully-executed AccentOnTheWrongSyllable voices modelled after the early speaking computers of the time (such as the famous performance of \\\"Daisy Bell\\\" by the IBM 7094 in 1961), they were UncannyValley to traumatising levels. Many fans find the later Cybermen, which are just represented by people in silver jumpsuits or robot parts, to just look like boring old robots compared to the implied BodyHorror of the Tenth Planet Cybermen.
By this broad definition, \\\"later Cybermen\\\" would encompass everything after \\\"The Moonbase\\\". Are people actually saying that the Cybermen started looking and acting too \\\"well\\\" as early as \\\"The Moonbase\\\", i.e. FOUR MONTHS after The Tenth Planet, in the same season and both produced by Innes Lloyd? Usually when I hear about the Cybermen not being what they used to be, they\\\'re actually saying they were effective due to the writing, the vocal performances, the tone \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' they\\\'re including most or all of the 60s stories, not just the original. Also, people remember, rightly or through nostalgia, the Cybermen being \\\'\\\'\\\'scary\\\'\\\'\\\', and claim that from about \\\"Revenge\\\" onwards, they\\\'re not scary.
And, what. The blank faces of the Wheel or Moonbase/Tomb or even the RTD-era Cybermen AREN\\\'T uncanny valley? Everything between 1967 and 1988 had high, non-shoestring production values? Because I don\\\'t think you can really argue any of these.
And then there\\\'s places where the body horror and hypnosis isn\\\'t implied but outright \\\'\\\'shown\\\'\\\' in places like \\\"Attack of the Cybermen\\\", \\\"Rise of the Cybermen\\\"/\\\"The Age of Steel\\\", \\\"Army of Ghosts\\\"/\\\"Doomsday\\\", \\\"The Next Doctor\\\" and \\\'\\\'Series/{{Torchwood}}\\\'\\\'\\\'s \\\"Cyberwoman\\\".
By this broad definition, \\\"later Cybermen\\\" would encompass everything after \\\"The Moonbase\\\". Are people actually saying that the Cybermen started looking and acting too \\\"well\\\" as early as \\\"The Moonbase\\\", i.e. FOUR MONTHS after The Tenth Planet, in the same season and both produced by Innes Lloyd? Usually when I hear about the Cybermen not being what they used to be, they\\\'re actually saying they were effective due to the writing, the vocal performances, the tone \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' they\\\'re including most or all of the 60s stories, not just the original. Also, people remember, rightly or through nostalgia, the Cybermen being \\\'\\\'\\\'scary\\\'\\\'\\\', and claim that from about \\\"Revenge\\\" onwards, they\\\'re not scary.
And, what. The blank faces of the Wheel or Moonbase/Tomb or even the RTD-era Cybermen AREN\\\'T uncanny valley? Everything between 1967 and 1988 had high, non-shoestring production values? Because I don\\\'t think you can really argue any of these.
And then there\\\'s places where the body horror and hypnosis isn\\\'t implied but outright \\\'\\\'shown\\\'\\\' in places like \\\"Attack of the Cybermen\\\", \\\"Rise of the Cybermen\\\"/\\\"The Age of Steel\\\", \\\"Army of Ghosts\\\"/\\\"Doomsday\\\", \\\"The Next Doctor\\\" and \\\'\\\'Series/{{Torchwood}}\\\'\\\'\\\'s \\\"Cyberwoman\\\".
