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Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \\\"a known degenerate\\\" to Joffrey in a scene from \\\"Dark Wings, Dark Words\\\" which preceded the one where Joff summons Margaery to his chambers. Joffrey wasn\\\'t at all surprised by Cersei\\\'s statement, which indicates to me he must have known that Renly was gay for some time.
Just before their mother-son talk (when Renly hasn\\\'t been mentioned yet), he makes a big fuss about not wanting to wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he loathes flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Just before their mother-son talk (when Renly hasn\\\'t been mentioned yet), he makes a big fuss about not wanting to wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he loathes flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
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Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \
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Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \\\"a known degenerate\\\" to Joffrey in a scene from \\\"Dark Wings, Dark Words\\\" which preceded the one where Joff summons Margaery to his chambers. Joffrey wasn\\\'t at all surprised by Cersei\\\'s statement, which indicates to me he must have known that Renly was gay for some time.
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting to wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he loathes flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting to wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he loathes flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \
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Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \\\"a known degenerate\\\" to Joffrey in a scene from \\\"Dark Wings, Dark Words\\\" which preceded the one where Joff summons Margaery to his chambers. Joffrey wasn\\\'t at all surprised by Cersei\\\'s statement, which indicates to me he must have known that Renly was gay for some time.
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting to wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he hates flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting to wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he hates flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \
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Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \\\"a known degenerate\\\" to Joffrey in a scene from \\\"Dark Wings, Dark Words\\\" which preceded the one where Joff summons Margaery to his chambers. Joffrey wasn\\\'t at all surprised by Cersei\\\'s statement, which indicates to me he must have known that Renly was gay for some time.
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting wear to flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he hates flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting wear to flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he hates flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \
to:
Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \\\"a known degenerate\\\" to Joffrey in a scene from \\\"Dark Wings, Dark Words\\\" which preceded the one where Joff summons Margaery to his chambers. Joffrey wasn\\\'t at all surprised by Cersei\\\'s statement, which indicates to me he must have known that Renly was gay for some time.
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he hates flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he hates flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son was just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \
to:
Just to clarify, Cersei refers to Renly as \\\"a known degenerate\\\" to Joffrey in a scene from \\\"Dark Wings, Dark Words\\\" which preceded the one where Joff summons Margaery to his chambers. Joffrey wasn\\\'t at all surprised by Cersei\\\'s statement, which indicates to me he must have known that Renly was gay for some time.
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he hates flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son\\\'s just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
Just before their mother-son talk, he makes a big fuss about not wanting wear flowers to the tailor, and it becomes obvious from his \\\"death to degenerates\\\" statement to Margaery later on that he hates flowers because he thinks they\\\'re effeminate. (And guess what, her brother is known as the Knight of Flowers--since Joff is aware that Renly is gay, he must suspect that Loras is too, as the rumours are always about the two of them as a couple. Hating gays as much as he does, Joffrey would want to avoid flowers like the plague.) I think this is a fairly concrete hint that Joff has been homophobic for a while.
TV!Renly is not assertive like Tyrion. Joffrey only cowers around Tyrion because the latter slaps him into submission. I can\\\'t picture Renly being physically abusive towards anyone, not even a shithead like Joff, so Renly would be an easy target for his taunts. Robert was totally in denial of Renly\\\'s homosexuality (remember when Robert asked his youngest brother \\\"Have you ever fucked a Riverlands girl?\\\"), so even if Renly complained about Joffrey\\\'s mocking behaviour, Robert\\\'s reaction would be something like, \\\"Oh please. My son\\\'s just saying that because he thinks you\\\'re not a \\\'real man\\\', and I agree with him. Forget about masquerade balls and start learning how to use a sword properly. Then the jokes will stop.\\\"
