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The WWTBWWTBAM family of game shows probably does not require a YMMV section. If there\'s a nearly-identical \'\'\'trope\'\'\', it should be moved there. If not, a page should be created.
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The WWTBWWTBAM family of game shows does not require a YMMV section. If there\\\'s a nearly-identical \\\'\\\'\\\'trope\\\'\\\'\\\', it should be moved there. If not, a page should be created.
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \\\"Pakku\\\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible, you should learn from Bobbo the Super Duper Waterbending Master Of Doom instead.\\\"

Don\\\'t gotta like it, but needs must, as they say, when Vaatu drives. And Aang gave him the keys to the car.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Entirely on the basis that by accepting the right to gain the knowledge in the first place, they\\\'ll be hurting the feelings of the people who literally want to deprive an entire race or gender of the same rights and opportunities they have in the first place?\\\'\\\'\\\'

Entirely on the basis that it was Aang\\\'s decision to go along with Pakku in spite of his beliefs, and if he chooses to go against those beliefs because he doesn\\\'t agree with them he can\\\'t get upset when Pakku chooses to kick him to the curb.

If you knew Math Tutor of Doom was racist, why learn from him in the first place? But knowing he\\\'s racist, and knowing he would kick you to the curb, you still agree to work with him and you still go against him and then get upset when he does exactly that?

Got no one to blame but yourself. You might not like [=MToD\\\'s=] conditions, but you agreed to them in the first place so he has every right to dictate terms based on those conditions and he is not, therefore, wrong to do so, no matter how much you want him to be.

\\\'\\\'\\\'In any other country on this planet, she would be an equal citizen.\\\'\\\'\\\'

Different strokes and all that.

\\\'\\\'\\\'The policy is in and of itself wrong\\\'\\\'\\\'

Not by the standards of the North. The place they are at. The place whose opinions currently matter. The place they can leave at any time with no love lost.

\\\'\\\'\\\'By your standard, Aang is in the wrong to fight the Fire Nation because they\\\'re simply practicing their right of global Manifest Destiny and they started the war under the belief they were helping people and who is Aang to stop them?\\\'\\\'\\\'

If Aang agreed to the Fire Nation\\\'s conditions in the first place, knowing full well the implications of such, and THEN decided to try to stop them, then yes. Otherwise no.


\\\'\\\'\\\'At the end of the day, Pakku didn\\\'t tell Aang not to teach Katara\\\'\\\'\\\'

As pointed out already, he didn\\\'t need to. It\\\'s implicit in his refusal to train Katara in the first place. Aang clearly recognizes it, which is why they train at night in the canals.
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Position: I have the right to pick and choose my students, and to cut them loose if they do something they know I won\'t like.
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Position: I have the right to pick and choose my students, and to cut them loose if they do something they know I won\\\'t like.\\\\\\\\
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \\\"Pakku\\\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible, you should learn from Bobbo the Super Duper Waterbending Master Of Doom instead.\\\"

Don\\\'t gotta like it, but needs must, as they say, when Vaatu drives. And Aang gave him the keys to the car.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Entirely on the basis that by accepting the right to gain the knowledge in the first place, they\\\'ll be hurting the feelings of the people who literally want to deprive an entire race or gender of the same rights and opportunities they have in the first place?\\\'\\\'\\\'

Entirely on the basis that it was Aang\\\'s decision to go along with Pakku in spite of his beliefs, and if he chooses to go against those beliefs because he doesn\\\'t agree with them he can\\\'t get upset when Pakku chooses to kick him to the curb.

If you knew Math Tutor of Doom was racist, why learn from him in the first place? But knowing he\\\'s racist, and knowing he would kick you to the curb, you still agree to work with him and you still go against him and then get upset when he does exactly that?

Got no one to blame but yourself. You might not like [=MToD\\\'s=] conditions, but you agreed to them in the first place so he has every right to dictate terms based on those conditions and he is not, therefore, wrong to do so, no matter how much you want him to be.

\\\'\\\'\\\'In any other country on this planet, she would be an equal citizen.\\\'\\\'\\\'

Different strokes and all that.

\\\'\\\'\\\'The policy is in and of itself wrong\\\'\\\'\\\'

Not by the standards of the North. The place they are at. The place whose opinions currently matter. The place they can leave at any time with no love lost.

\\\'\\\'\\\'By your standard, Aang is in the wrong to fight the Fire Nation because they\\\'re simply practicing their right of global Manifest Destiny and they started the war under the belief they were helping people and who is Aang to stop them?\\\'\\\'\\\'

If Aang agreed to the Fire Nation\\\'s conditions in the first place and THEN decided to try to stop them, then yes. Otherwise no.


\\\'\\\'\\\'At the end of the day, Pakku didn\\\'t tell Aang not to teach Katara\\\'\\\'\\\'

As pointed out already, he didn\\\'t need to. It\\\'s implicit in his refusal to train Katara in the first place. Aang clearly recognizes it, which is why they train at night in the canals.
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He can leave at any point if he encounters a rule he doesn\\\'t want to follow.
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \\\"Pakku\\\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible, you should learn from Bobbo the Super Duper Waterbending Master Of Doom instead.\\\"

Don\\\'t gotta like it, but needs must, as they say, when Vaatu drives. And Aang gave him the keys to the car.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Entirely on the basis that by accepting the right to gain the knowledge in the first place, they\\\'ll be hurting the feelings of the people who literally want to deprive an entire race or gender of the same rights and opportunities they have in the first place?\\\'\\\'\\\'

Entirely on the basis that it was Aang\\\'s decision to go along with Pakku in spite of his beliefs, and if he chooses to go against those beliefs because he doesn\\\'t agree with them he can\\\'t get upset when Pakku chooses to kick him to the curb.

If you knew Math Tutor of Doom was racist, why learn from him in the first place? But knowing he\\\'s racist, and knowing he would kick you to the curb, you still agree to work with him and you still go against him and then get upset when he does exactly that?

Got no one to blame but yourself. You might not like [=MToD\\\'s=] conditions, but you agreed to them in the first place so he has every right to dictate terms based on those conditions and he is not, therefore, wrong to do so, no matter how much you want him to be.

\\\'\\\'\\\'In any other country on this planet, she would be an equal citizen.\\\'\\\'\\\'

Different strokes and all that.

\\\'\\\'\\\'The policy is in and of itself wrong\\\'\\\'\\\'

Not by the standards of the North. The place they are at. The place whose opinions currently matter. The place they can leave at any time with no love lost.

\\\'\\\'\\\'By your standard, Aang is in the wrong to fight the Fire Nation because they\\\'re simply practicing their right of global Manifest Destiny and they started the war under the belief they were helping people and who is Aang to stop them?\\\'\\\'\\\'

If Aang agreed to the Fire Nation\\\'s conditions in the first place and THEN decided to try to stop them, then yes. Otherwise no.


\\\'\\\'\\\'At the end of the day, Pakku didn\\\'t tell Aang not to teach Katara\\\'\\\'\\\'

As pointed out already, he didn\\\'t need to. It\\\'s implicit in his refusal to train Katara in the first place. Aang clearly recognizes it, which is why they train at night in the canals.
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \\\"Pakku\\\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible, you should learn from Bobbo the Super Duper Waterbending Master Of Doom instead.\\\"

Don\\\'t gotta like it, but needs must, as they say, when Vaatu drives. And Aang gave him the keys to the car.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Entirely on the basis that by accepting the right to gain the knowledge in the first place, they\\\'ll be hurting the feelings of the people who literally want to deprive an entire race or gender of the same rights and opportunities they have in the first place?\\\'\\\'\\\'

Entirely on the basis that it was Aang\\\'s decision to go along with Pakku in spite of his beliefs, and if he chooses to go against those beliefs because he doesn\\\'t agree with them he can\\\'t get upset when Pakku chooses to kick him to the curb.

If you knew Math Tutor of Doom was racist, why learn from him in the first place? But knowing he\\\'s racist, and knowing he would kick you to the curb, you still agree to work with him and you still go against him and then get upset when he does exactly that?

Got no one to blame but yourself. You might not like [=MToD\\\'s=] conditions, but you agreed to them in the first place so he has every right to dictate terms based on those conditions and he is not, therefore, wrong to do so, no matter how much you want him to be.

\\\'\\\'\\\'In any other country on this planet, she would be an equal citizen.\\\'\\\'\\\'

Different strokes and all that.

\\\'\\\'\\\'The policy is in and of itself wrong\\\'\\\'\\\'

Not by the standards of the North. The place they are at. The place whose opinions currently matter. The place they can leave at any time with no love lost.

\\\'\\\'\\\'By your standard, Aang is in the wrong to fight the Fire Nation because they\\\'re simply practicing their right of global Manifest Destiny and they started the war under the belief they were helping people and who is Aang to stop them?\\\'\\\'\\\'

If Aang agreed to the Fire Nation\\\'s conditions in the first place and THEN decided to try to stop them, then yes. Otherwise no.


\\\'\\\'\\\'At the end of the day, Pakku didn\\\'t tell Aang not to teach Katara\\\'\\\'\\\'

As pointed out already, he didn\\\'t need to. It\\\'s implicit in his refusal to train Katara in the first place. Aang clearly recognizes it, which is why they train at night in the canals.
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Then drop directly. Trope still stands. A knows P doesn\'t want T. A does T. P kicks him out. P wrong because he\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible.
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Then drop directly. Trope still stands. P doesn\\\'t want T. A knows P doesn\\\'t want T. A does T. P kicks him out. P wrong because he\\\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible.
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \\\"Pakku\\\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible, you should learn from Bobbo the Super Duper Waterbending Master Of Doom instead.\\\"

Don\\\'t gotta like it, but needs must, as they say, when Vaatu drives. And Aang gave him the keys to the car.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Entirely on the basis that by accepting the right to gain the knowledge in the first place, they\\\'ll be hurting the feelings of the people who literally want to deprive an entire race or gender of the same rights and opportunities they have in the first place?\\\'\\\'\\\'

Entirely on the basis that it was Aang\\\'s decision to go along with Pakku in spite of his beliefs, and if he chooses to go against those beliefs because he doesn\\\'t agree with them he can\\\'t get upset when Pakku chooses to kick him to the curb.

If you knew Math Tutor of Doom was racist, why learn from him in the first place? But knowing he\\\'s racist, and knowing he would kick you to the curb, you still go against him and then get upset when he does exactly that?

Got no one to blame but yourself. You might not like [=MToD\\\'s=] conditions, but you agreed to them in the first place so he has every right to dictate terms based on those conditions and he is not, therefore, wrong to do so, no matter how much you want him to be.

\\\'\\\'\\\'In any other country on this planet, she would be an equal citizen.\\\'\\\'\\\'

Different strokes and all that.

\\\'\\\'\\\'The policy is in and of itself wrong\\\'\\\'\\\'

Not by the standards of the North. The place they are at. The place whose opinions currently matter. The place they can leave at any time with no love lost.

\\\'\\\'\\\'By your standard, Aang is in the wrong to fight the Fire Nation because they\\\'re simply practicing their right of global Manifest Destiny and they started the war under the belief they were helping people and who is Aang to stop them?\\\'\\\'\\\'

If Aang agreed to the Fire Nation\\\'s conditions in the first place and THEN decided to try to stop them, then yes. Otherwise no.


\\\'\\\'\\\'At the end of the day, Pakku didn\\\'t tell Aang not to teach Katara\\\'\\\'\\\'

As pointed out already, he didn\\\'t need to. It\\\'s implicit in his refusal to train Katara in the first place. Aang clearly recognizes it, which is why they train at night in the canals.
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Every strawman believes their own perspective is valid. If a strawman didn\'t believe their point was valid would it be a strawman in the first place?
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Every strawman believes their own perspective is valid. If a strawman didn\\\'t believe their point was valid would it be a strawman in the first place? (actually asking here, not being rhetorical)
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \\\"Pakku\\\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible, you should learn from Bobbo the Super Duper Waterbending Master Of Doom instead.\\\"

Don\\\'t gotta like it, but needs must, as they say, when Vaatu drives. And Aang gave him the keys to the car.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Entirely on the basis that by accepting the right to gain the knowledge in the first place, they\\\'ll be hurting the feelings of the people who literally want to deprive an entire race or gender of the same rights and opportunities they have in the first place?\\\'\\\'\\\'

Entirely on the basis that it was Aang\\\'s decision to go along with Pakku in spite of his beliefs, and if he chooses to go against those beliefs because he doesn\\\'t agree with them he can\\\'t get upset when Pakku chooses to kick him to the curb.

If you knew Math Tutor of Doom was racist, why learn from him in the first place? But knowing he\\\'s racist, and knowing he would kick you to the curb, you still go against him and then get upset when he does exactly that?

Got no one to blame but yourself. You might not like [=MToD\\\'s=] conditions, but you agreed to them in the first place so he has every right to dictate terms based on those conditions and he is not, therefore, wrong to do so, no matter how much you want him to be.

\\\'\\\'\\\'In any other country on this planet, she would be an equal citizen.\\\'\\\'\\\'

Different strokes and all that.

\\\'\\\'\\\'The policy is in and of itself wrong\\\'\\\'\\\'

Not by the standards of the North. The place they are at. The place whose opinions currently matter. The place they can leave at any time with no love lost.

\\\'\\\'\\\'By your standard, Aang is in the wrong to fight the Fire Nation because they\\\'re simply practicing their right of global Manifest Destiny and they started the war under the belief they were helping people and who is Aang to stop them?\\\'\\\'\\\'

If Aang agreed to the Fire Nation\\\'s conditions in the first place and THEN decided to try to stop them, then yes. Otherwise no.


\\\'\\\'\\\'At the end of the day, Pakku didn\\\'t tell Aang not to teach Katara\\\'\\\'\\\'

As pointed out already, he didn\\\'t need to. It\\\'s implicit in his refusal to train Katara in the first place. Aang clearly recognizes it, which is why they train at night in the canals.
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \\\"Pakku\\\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible, you should learn from Bobbo the Super Duper Waterbending Master Of Doom instead.\\\"

Don\\\'t gotta like it, but needs must, as they say, when Vaatu drives. And Aang gave him the keys to the car.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Entirely on the basis that by accepting the right to gain the knowledge in the first place, they\\\'ll be hurting the feelings of the people who literally want to deprive an entire race or gender of the same rights and opportunities they have in the first place?\\\'\\\'\\\'

Entirely on the basis that it was Aang\\\'s decision to go along with Pakku in spite of his beliefs, and if he chooses to go against those beliefs because he doesn\\\'t agree with them he can\\\'t get upset when Pakku chooses to kick him to the curb.

If you knew Math Tutor of Doom was racist, why learn from him in the first place? But knowing he\\\'s racist, and knowing he would kick you to the curb, you still go against him and then get upset when he does exactly that?

Got no one to blame but yourself. You might not like [=MToD\\\'s=] conditions, but you agreed to them in the first place so he has every right to dictate terms based on those conditions and he is not, therefore, wrong to do so, no matter how much you want him to be.

\\\'\\\'\\\'In any other country on this planet, she would be an equal citizen.\\\'\\\'\\\'

Different strokes and all that.

\\\'\\\'\\\'The policy is in and of itself wrong\\\'\\\'\\\'

Not by the standards of the North. The place they are at. The place whose opinions currently matter. The place they can leave at any time with no love lost.

\\\'\\\'\\\'By your standard, Aang is in the wrong to fight the Fire Nation because they\\\'re simply practicing their right of global Manifest Destiny and they started the war under the belief they were helping people and who is Aang to stop them?\\\'\\\'\\\'

If Aang agreed to the Fire Nation\\\'s conditions in the first place and THEN decided to try to stop them, then yes. Otherwise no.


\\\'\\\'\\\'At the end of the day, Pakku didn\\\'t tell Aang not to teach Katara\\\'\\\'\\\'

As pointed out already, he didn\\\'t need to. It\\\'s implicit in his refusal to train Katara in the first place. Aang clearly recognizes it, which is why they train at night in the canals.
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[[quoteblock]]Anyway, my point still stands - there is a factual error in including this trope example and that is that Aang is disobeying his teacher directly. He isn\'t.[[/quoteblock]]
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\\\'\\\'\\\'Anyway, my point still stands - there is a factual error in including this trope example and that is that Aang is disobeying his teacher directly. He isn\\\'t.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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[[quoteblock]]For that matter, Pakku isn\'t really a strawman making a straw argument - from his perspective, his point is valid. [[/quoteblock]]
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\\\'\\\'\\\'For that matter, Pakku isn\\\'t really a strawman making a straw argument - from his perspective, his point is valid.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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[[quoteblock]]He\'s not a straw character that\'s being knocked down by an inferior argument - the irony of the episode is that it is not anything Katara or Aang says to him that convinces him to rethink his position, but the discovery that she\'s the granddaughter of his former fiance.
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\\\'\\\'\\\'He\\\'s not a straw character that\\\'s being knocked down by an inferior argument - the irony of the episode is that it is not anything Katara or Aang says to him that convinces him to rethink his position, but the discovery that she\\\'s the granddaughter of his former fiance. \\\'\\\'\\\'
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A woman that he cared for but drove away. So yea, there\'s a missing Straw argument here in the first place.[[/quoteblock]]
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[[quoteblock]]You\'ve literally compared Aang trying to find a solution to the problem that Pakku won\'t teach Katara to Sozin and Ozai committing genocide.[[/quoteblock]]
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\\\'\\\'\\\'You\\\'ve literally compared Aang trying to find a solution to the problem that Pakku won\\\'t teach Katara to Sozin and Ozai committing genocide.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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[[quoteblock]] Aang is trying to respect Pakku\'s feelings by simply training Katara himself. He\'s not a member of the tribe and thus is not bound by their customs.[[/quoteblock]]
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\\\'\\\'\\\' Aang is trying to respect Pakku\\\'s feelings by simply training Katara himself. He\\\'s not a member of the tribe and thus is not bound by their customs.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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[[quoteblock]]It\'s Pakku that later decided to impose his sexism further and act offended that blatantly discriminating against people by gender probably doesn\'t sit well.[[/quoteblock]]
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\\\'\\\'\\\'It\\\'s Pakku that later decided to impose his sexism further and act offended that blatantly discriminating against people by gender probably doesn\\\'t sit well.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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[[quoteblock]]...and I\'m sorry, are you really suggesting that depriving people of a certain race or gender the opportunity to gain the same knowledge as an oppressive class is literally the same thing as oppressing an entire class of people in the first place?[[/quoteblock]]
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\\\'\\\'\\\'...and I\\\'m sorry, are you really suggesting that depriving people of a certain race or gender the opportunity to gain the same knowledge as an oppressive class is literally the same thing as oppressing an entire class of people in the first place?\\\'\\\'\\\'
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[[quoteblock]]You\'re really saying that a person forbidden to teach a black person math is actually wrong to teach a black person math when the entire point of not doing so is to deprive the black person of equal status?[[/quoteblock]]
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\\\'\\\'\\\'You\\\'re really saying that a person forbidden to teach a black person math is actually wrong to teach a black person math when the entire point of not doing so is to deprive the black person of equal status?\\\'\\\'\\\'
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \
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He could have left and found a different teacher. [=BDSM=] could have created a new waterbending master to learn from. They could have made a new one in the North. \\\"Pakku\\\'s a sexist asshole AndThatsTerrible, you should learn from Bobbo the Super Duper Waterbending Master Of Doom instead.\\\"

Don\\\'t gotta like it, but needs must, as they say, when Vaatu drives. And Aang gave him the keys to the car.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Entirely on the basis that by accepting the right to gain the knowledge in the first place, they\\\'ll be hurting the feelings of the people who literally want to deprive an entire race or gender of the same rights and opportunities they have in the first place?\\\'\\\'\\\'

Entirely on the basis that it was Aang\\\'s decision to go along with Pakku in spite of his beliefs, and if he chooses to go against those beliefs because he doesn\\\'t agree with them he can\\\'t get upset when Pakku chooses to kick him to the curb.

If you knew Math Tutor of Doom was racist, why learn from him in the first place? But knowing he\\\'s racist, and knowing he would kick you to the curb, you still go against him and then get upset when he does exactly that?

Got no one to blame but yourself. You might not like [=MToD\\\'s=] conditions, but you agreed to them in the first place so he has every right to dictate terms based on those conditions and he is not, therefore, wrong to do so, no matter how much you want him to be.

\\\'\\\'\\\'In any other country on this planet, she would be an equal citizen.\\\'\\\'\\\'

Different strokes and all that.

\\\'\\\'\\\'The policy is in and of itself wrong\\\'\\\'\\\'

Not by the standards of the North. The place they are at. The place whose opinions currently matter. The place they can leave at any time with no love lost.

\\\'\\\'\\\'By your standard, Aang is in the wrong to fight the Fire Nation because they\\\'re simply practicing their right of global Manifest Destiny and they started the war under the belief they were helping people and who is Aang to stop them?\\\'\\\'\\\'

If Aang agreed to the Fire Nation\\\'s conditions in the first place and THEN decided to try to stop them, then yes. Otherwise no.
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