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Shiroe is a MarySue, as much as Kirito is one for SAO. MyssaRei disagrees, and that\\\'s great, but YMMV are opinion tropes. Let\\\'s argue about it here. It\\\'s well known that MarySue lead to edit wars, and that\\\'s why we\\\'re supposed to do it in the discussion page.
From MyssaRei counterargument: \\\'\\\'Books 6 and 7 show that there are situations that Shiroe simply can\\\'t plan for and, whats more, when his plans fair, they fail catastrophically — see the failure of negotiations with the Yamato clan holding the secret of the gold drops (they flatly said no) that ends with him getting KILLED. That said, when guile fails, force is always an option...\\\'\\\'
In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\') Is there any form of strategy Shiroe doesn\\\'t know? He has the added intellect of John Fuller, Milton Friedman, and Basil Hart.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
From MyssaRei counterargument: \\\'\\\'Books 6 and 7 show that there are situations that Shiroe simply can\\\'t plan for and, whats more, when his plans fair, they fail catastrophically — see the failure of negotiations with the Yamato clan holding the secret of the gold drops (they flatly said no) that ends with him getting KILLED. That said, when guile fails, force is always an option...\\\'\\\'
In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\') Is there any form of strategy Shiroe doesn\\\'t know? He has the added intellect of John Fuller, Milton Friedman, and Basil Hart.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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Shiroe is a MarySue, as much as Kirito is one for SAO. MyssaRei disagrees, and that\\\'s great, but YMMV are opinion tropes. Let\\\'s argue about it here. It\\\'s well known that MarySue lead to edit wars, and that\\\'s why we\\\'re supposed to do it in the discussion page.
From MyssaRei counterargument: \\\'\\\'Books 6 and 7 show that there are situations that Shiroe simply can\\\'t plan for and, whats more, when his plans fair, they fail catastrophically — see the failure of negotiations with the Yamato clan holding the secret of the gold drops (they flatly said no) that ends with him getting KILLED. That said, when guile fails, force is always an option...\\\'\\\'
In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\') Is there any form of strategy Shiroe doesn\\\'t know? He has the intellect of John Fuller, Milton Friedman, and Basil Hart.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
From MyssaRei counterargument: \\\'\\\'Books 6 and 7 show that there are situations that Shiroe simply can\\\'t plan for and, whats more, when his plans fair, they fail catastrophically — see the failure of negotiations with the Yamato clan holding the secret of the gold drops (they flatly said no) that ends with him getting KILLED. That said, when guile fails, force is always an option...\\\'\\\'
In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\') Is there any form of strategy Shiroe doesn\\\'t know? He has the intellect of John Fuller, Milton Friedman, and Basil Hart.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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Shiroe is a MarySue, as much as Kirito is one for SAO. MyssaRei disagrees, and that\\\'s great, but YMMV are opinion tropes. Let\\\'s argue about it here. It\\\'s well known that MarySue lead to edit wars, and that\\\'s why we\\\'re supposed to do it in the discussion page.
From MyssaRei counterargument: \\\'\\\'Books 6 and 7 show that there are situations that Shiroe simply can\\\'t plan for and, whats more, when his plans fair, they fail catastrophically — see the failure of negotiations with the Yamato clan holding the secret of the gold drops (they flatly said no) that ends with him getting KILLED. That said, when guile fails, force is always an option...\\\'\\\'
In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\') Is there any form of strategy Shiroe doesn\\\'t know? He also has the intellect of John Fuller, Milton Friedman, and Basil Hart.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
From MyssaRei counterargument: \\\'\\\'Books 6 and 7 show that there are situations that Shiroe simply can\\\'t plan for and, whats more, when his plans fair, they fail catastrophically — see the failure of negotiations with the Yamato clan holding the secret of the gold drops (they flatly said no) that ends with him getting KILLED. That said, when guile fails, force is always an option...\\\'\\\'
In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\') Is there any form of strategy Shiroe doesn\\\'t know? He also has the intellect of John Fuller, Milton Friedman, and Basil Hart.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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Shiroe is a MarySue, as much as Kirito is one for SAO. MyssaRei disagrees, and that\\\'s great, but YMMV are opinion tropes. Let\\\'s argue about it here. It\\\'s well known that MarySue lead to edit wars, and that\\\'s why we\\\'re supposed to do it in the discussion page.
From MyssaRei counterargument: \\\'\\\'Books 6 and 7 show that there are situations that Shiroe simply can\\\'t plan for and, whats more, when his plans fair, they fail catastrophically — see the failure of negotiations with the Yamato clan holding the secret of the gold drops (they flatly said no) that ends with him getting KILLED. That said, when guile fails, force is always an option...\\\'\\\'
In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\') Is there any form of strategy Shiroe doesn\\\'t know? He also pulls from
John Fuller and Basil Hart.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
From MyssaRei counterargument: \\\'\\\'Books 6 and 7 show that there are situations that Shiroe simply can\\\'t plan for and, whats more, when his plans fair, they fail catastrophically — see the failure of negotiations with the Yamato clan holding the secret of the gold drops (they flatly said no) that ends with him getting KILLED. That said, when guile fails, force is always an option...\\\'\\\'
In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\') Is there any form of strategy Shiroe doesn\\\'t know? He also pulls from
John Fuller and Basil Hart.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\'s whole appeal). It\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\'s NOT a failure. It\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\'\'\
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\') Is there any form of strategy Shiroe doesn\\\'t know?
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\'s whole appeal). It\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\'s NOT a failure. It\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Maynard Keynes in one body: he\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\'\'\
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\')
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\'s whole appeal). It\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\'s NOT a failure. It\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\'t merely a Sun Tzu and Machiavelli: he\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\'\'\
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and John Maynard Keynes in one body: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\')
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\'s whole appeal). It\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\'s NOT a failure. It\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\'t merely Sun Tzu and Machiavelli: he\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\'\'\
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely a Sun Tzu and Machiavelli: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\')
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\'s whole appeal). It\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\'s NOT a failure. It\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. Now he isn\'t just Sun Tzu and Machiavelli: he\'s also [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\'\'\
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t merely Sun Tzu and Machiavelli: he\\\'s also gets to be a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\')
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\'s whole appeal). It\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\'s NOT a failure. It\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. Now he isn\'t just Sun Tzu and Machiavelli: he\'s also [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too (\'\'\
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. Now he isn\\\'t just Sun Tzu and Machiavelli: he\\\'s also [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too. (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\')
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\'s whole appeal). It\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\'s NOT a failure. It\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\'t just Sun Tzu and Machiavelli... he\'s also [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]]: \'\'\
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. Now he isn\\\'t just Sun Tzu and Machiavelli: he\\\'s also [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]] too (\\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\')
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\'s whole appeal). It\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\'s NOT a failure. It\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\'t just Sun Tzu and Machiavelli... he\'s also [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]]: \'\'\
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t just Sun Tzu and Machiavelli... he\\\'s also [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]]: \\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\'
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
Arguing that a \\\"Perfect Warlord\\\" cannot lose [[http://www.erfworld.com/wp-content/uploads/book1/124.jpg reminds me of this Erfworld strip]]. It\\\'s an awesome webcomic by the way.
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Shiroe is a MarySue, as much as Kirito is one for SAO. MyssaRei disagrees, and that\'s great, but YMMV are opinion tropes. Let\'s argue against it here. It\'s well known that MarySue lead to edit wars, and that\'s why we\'re supposed to do it in the discussion page.
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Shiroe is a MarySue, as much as Kirito is one for SAO. MyssaRei disagrees, and that\\\'s great, but YMMV are opinion tropes. Let\\\'s argue about it here. It\\\'s well known that MarySue lead to edit wars, and that\\\'s why we\\\'re supposed to do it in the discussion page.
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\'s whole appeal). It\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\'s NOT a failure. It\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\'t just Sun Tzu and Machiavelli... he\'s also [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]]: \'\'\
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In a world where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist, dying doesn\\\'t have anywhere near the same impact as it does with FinalDeath. My initial wording was too exact. Because he lost doesn\\\'t remove being a MarySue. He gets what he wants in the end, by having another plan. Shiroe is still the coolest guy to be. He will not be ultimately denied of his prize, and the fact that it\\\'s just more strategy for him to ponder over plays into MaryTzu. Needlessly turning to violence is still strategy (which is Shiroe\\\'s whole appeal). It\\\'s just another channel of the same ultimate goal. It\\\'s NOT a failure. It\\\'s more spotlighting that Shiroe is an uber strategist. He isn\\\'t just Sun Tzu and Machiavelli... he\\\'s also [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz Clausewitz]]: \\\'\\\'\\\"War is the continuation of Politik by other means.\\\"\\\'\\\'
