Discussion History VideoGame / CompanyOfHeroes

\\\"And secondly and more importantly, because the *Soviet Union* was as virulently anti-Polish and anti-Democratic as it was Anti-German and anti-Nazi.\\\"

This is also true, although it should be noted that this works both ways. As I noted earlier, the Poles themselves were (if not just as) virulently anti-Communist and anti-Russian as they were anti-Nazi and anti-German. To some degree, this is the story of Eastern Europe: everybody hates somebody else and they all dredge up history to try and justify it. Additionally, the sort of democracy favored by the Home Army was of the more nationalistic type with some terrible elements of antisemitism (their attitude towards the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising a year earlier was something along the lines of \\\"look at those stupid Jews!\\\"). This, of course, in no way justifies the Soviet actions against it.

\\\"The main thing you need to know is that the Poles were not idly waiting for their fate, and they have a history of rising up against oppressors\\\"

Of course, the problem here was Poland was pretty much doomed by geopolitics to be dominated by the Soviets in 1944. Even had the Soviets moved to the Home Army\\\'s aid at Warsaw, or if the Poles had laid low until the Soviet seized all of Poland then tried to revolt, they would have still been crushed... the only difference is they would have died to Soviet bullets rather then German ones. This is the reality of what was an insurgent army attempting pitched battle against a full-on first-rate army like the Wehrmacht or Red Army were in 1944. Indeed, a number of attempts by Polish and other Eastern European nations (particularly the Baltic States) to rebel against the Soviet Union post-war were swiftly crushed by the army and Soviet security services.

\\\"of which the Soviet Union was as much of one as Nazi Germany was.\\\"

In this, I KIND OF have to disagree with you. While the Soviet Union was indeed intent on dominating Poland in all spheres except that of outright integration into the country (which naturally included the application of a totalitarian puppet government in Poland), they still squirm into being better for Poland then the Nazis from the fact they did not demand the out-and-out GENOCIDE of the Polish people like the Nazis did. It isn\\\'t anything like a big improvement over the Nazis, quite the opposite really, but its an improvement none the less.

\\\"And secondly and more importantly, because the *Soviet Union* was as virulently anti-Polish and anti-Democratic as it was Anti-German and anti-Nazi.\\\"

This is also true, although it should be noted that this works both ways. As I noted earlier, the Poles themselves were (if not just as) virulently anti-Communist and anti-Russian as they were anti-Nazi and anti-German. To some degree, this is the story of Eastern Europe: everybody hates somebody else and they all dredge up history to try and justify it. Additionally, the sort of democracy favored by the Home Army was of the more nationalistic type with some terrible elements of antisemitism (their attitude towards the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising a year earlier was something along the lines of \\\"look at those stupid Jews!\\\"). This, of course, in no way justifies the Soviet actions against it.

\\\"The main thing you need to know is that the Poles were not idly waiting for their fate, and they have a history of rising up against oppressors\\\"

Of course, the problem here was Poland was pretty much doomed by geopolitics to be dominated by the Soviets in 1944. Even had the Soviets moved to the Home Army\\\'s aid at Warsaw, or if the Poles had laid low until the Soviet seized all of Poland then tried to revolt, they would have still been crushed... the only difference is they would have died to Soviet bullets rather then German ones. This is the reality of what was an insurgent army attempting pitched battle against a full-on first-rate army like the Wehrmacht or Red Army were in 1944. Indeed, a number of attempts by Polish and other Eastern European nations (particularly the Baltic States) to rebel against the Soviet Union post-war were swiftly crushed by the army and Soviet security services.

\\\"of which the Soviet Union was as much of one as Nazi Germany was.\\\"

In this, I KIND OF have to disagree with you. While the Soviet Union was indeed intent on dominating Poland in all spheres except that of outright integration into the country (which naturally included the application of a totalitarian puppet government in Poland), they still squirm into being better for Poland then the Nazis from the fact they did not demand the out-and-out GENOCIDE of the Polish people like the Nazis did.

\\\"And secondly and more importantly, because the *Soviet Union* was as virulently anti-Polish and anti-Democratic as it was Anti-German and anti-Nazi.\\\"

This is also true, although it should be noted that this works both ways. As I noted earlier, the Poles themselves were (if not just as) virulently anti-Communist and anti-Russian as they were anti-Nazi and anti-German. To some degree, this is the story of Eastern Europe: everybody hates somebody else and they all dredge up history to try and justify it. Additionally, the sort of democracy favored by the Home Army was of the more nationalistic type with some terrible elements of antisemitism (their attitude towards the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising a year earlier was something along the lines of \\\"look at those stupid Jews!\\\"). This, of course, in no way justifies the Soviet actions against it.

\\\"The main thing you need to know is that the Poles were not idly waiting for their fate, and they have a history of rising up against oppressors\\\"

Of course, the problem here was Poland was pretty much doomed by geopolitics to be dominated by the Soviets in 1944. Even had the Soviets moved to the Home Army\\\'s aid at Warsaw, or if the Poles had laid low until the Soviet seized all of Poland then tried to revolt, they would have still been crushed... the only difference is they would have died to Soviet bullets rather then German ones. This is the reality of what was an insurgent army attempting pitched battle against a full-on first-rate army like the Wehrmacht or Red Army were in 1944.

\\\"of which the Soviet Union was as much of one as Nazi Germany was.\\\"

In this, I KIND OF have to disagree with you. While the Soviet Union was indeed intent on dominating Poland in all spheres except that of outright integration into the country (which naturally included the application of a totalitarian puppet government in Poland), they still squirm into being better for Poland then the Nazis from the fact they did not demand the out-and-out GENOCIDE of the Polish people like the Nazis did.

\\\"And secondly and more importantly, because the *Soviet Union* was as virulently anti-Polish and anti-Democratic as it was Anti-German and anti-Nazi.\\\"

This is also true, although it should be noted that this works both ways. As I noted earlier, the Poles themselves were (if not just as) virulently anti-Communist and anti-Russian as they were anti-Nazi and anti-German. To some degree, this is the story of Eastern Europe: everybody hates somebody else and they all dredge up history to try and justify it. Additionally, the sort of democracy favored by the Home Army was of the more nationalistic type with some terrible elements of antisemitism (their attitude towards the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising a year earlier was something along the lines of \\\"look at those stupid Jews!\\\"). This, of course, in no way justifies the Soviet actions against it.

\\\"The main thing you need to know is that the Poles were not idly waiting for their fate, and they have a history of rising up against oppressors\\\"

Of course, the problem here was Poland was pretty much doomed by geopolitics to be dominated by the Soviets in 1944. Even had the Soviets moved to the Home Army\\\'s aid at Warsaw, or if the Poles had laid low until the Soviet seized all of Poland then tried to revolt, they would have still been crushed... the only difference is they would have died to Soviet bullets rather then German ones. This is the reality of what was an insurgent army attempting pitched battle against a full-on first-rate army like the Wehrmacht or Red Army were in 1944.

\\\"of which the Soviet Union was as much of one as Nazi Germany was.\\\"

In this, I KIND OF have to disagree with you. While the Soviet Union was indeed intent on dominating Poland in all spheres except that of outright integration into the country (which naturally included the application of a totalitarian puppet government in Poland), they still squirm into being better for Poland then the Nazis from the fact they did not seek the out-and-out GENOCIDE of the Polish people like the Nazis did.

\\\"And secondly and more importantly, because the *Soviet Union* was as virulently anti-Polish and anti-Democratic as it was Anti-German and anti-Nazi.\\\"

This is also true, although it should be noted that this works both ways. As I noted earlier, the Poles themselves were (if not just as) virulently anti-Communist and anti-Russian as they were anti-Nazi and anti-German. To some degree, this is the story of Eastern Europe: everybody hates somebody else and they all dredge up history to try and justify it. Additionally, the sort of democracy favored by the Home Army was of the more nationalistic type with some terrible elements of antisemitism (their attitude towards the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising a year earlier was something along the lines of \\\"look at those stupid Jews!\\\"). This, of course, in no way justifies the Soviet actions against it.

\\\"The main thing you need to know is that the Poles were not idly waiting for their fate, and they have a history of rising up against oppressors\\\"

Of course, the problem here was Poland was pretty much doomed by geopolitics to be dominated by the Soviets in 1944. Even had the Soviets moved to the Home Army\\\'s aid at Warsaw, or if the Poles had laid low until the Soviet seized all of Poland then tried to revolt, they would have still been crushed... the only difference is they would have died to Soviet bullets rather then German ones. This is the reality of what was an insurgent army attempting pitched battle against a full-on first-rate army like the Wehrmacht or Red Army were in 1944.

\\\"And secondly and more importantly, because the *Soviet Union* was as virulently anti-Polish and anti-Democratic as it was Anti-German and anti-Nazi.\\\"

This is also true, although it should be noted that this works both ways. As I noted earlier, the Poles themselves were (if not just as) virulently anti-Communist and anti-Russian as they were anti-Nazi and anti-German. To some degree, this is the story of Eastern Europe: everybody hates somebody else and they all dredge up history to try and justify it. Additionally, the sort of democracy favored by the Home Army was of the more nationalistic type with some terrible elements of antisemitism (their attitude towards the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising a year earlier was something along the lines of \\\"look at those stupid Jews!\\\"). This, of course, in no way justifies the Soviet actions against it.

\\\"The main thing you need to know is that the Poles were not idly waiting for their fate\\\"

Of course, the problem here was Poland was pretty much doomed by geopolitics to be dominated by the Soviets in 1944. Even had the Soviets moved to the Home Army\\\'s aid at Warsaw, or if the Poles had laid low until the Soviet seized all of Poland then tried to revolt, they would have still been crushed... the only difference is they would have died to Soviet bullets rather then German ones. This is the reality of what was an insurgent army attempting pitched battle against a full-on first-rate army like the Wehrmacht or Red Army were in 1944.