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[004] 216.99.32.44 Current Version
5th Jul '13 at 07:46:52 PM
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They embody traits of their wielders because they \'\'are\'\' their wielders; they embody their wielder\'s core traits and their conversations are visualizations of whatever is going on in their wielder\'s head. It\'s a way to show the audience what the shinigami is thinking without writing pages and pages of textual introspection like your average written novel.
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The issue with \\\'\\\'Bleach\\\'\\\' is that the concept of the zanpakuto relies so heavily on symbolism that you have to look at the subtle implications to understand what they are. They embody traits of their wielders because they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' their wielders; they embody their wielder\\\'s core traits and their conversations are visualizations of whatever is going on in their wielder\\\'s head. It\\\'s a way to show the audience what the shinigami is thinking without writing pages and pages of textual introspection like your average written novel.
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The issue with using the Byakuya incident as evidence is that it was the first time Ichigo Hollowfied and it is never portrayed that way again. I personally see it as a fluke because all subsequent transformations are portrayed as Ichigo losing his sanity and becoming an aggressive, mindless beast. Tensa Zangetsu actually states this.
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When Zabimaru appeared in front of Renji, Renji was in conflict over his situation and what to do. Kubo decided to show this by having Zabimaru voice Renji\\\'s internal thoughts and desires: to fight Ichigo again or work on his Bankai and save Rukia. In the case of Zaraki\\\'s zanpakuto, it was \\\'\\\'screaming in pain\\\'\\\' because Zaraki ignored it. Unohana\\\'s monologue while training Zaraki explains what this meant: it was a symbolic way of showing the audience that Zaraki ignored his inborn power. A zanpakuto is a shinigami\\\'s inborn power and inner thoughts given an avatar that can walk and talk (in their wielder\\\'s mind, at least). Ichigo\\\'s conflict with Zangetsu is very similar to Zaraki\\\'s, except he didn\\\'t just ignore his inborn power; he fought against it and beat it down.
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Also, Ichigo\'s case is not like the Vizards, so you can\'t really compare. The way Shinji spoke sounded like their Hollows were literally inserted into their bodies and are thus to some degree still separate entities sharing a body; Ichigo\'s Hollowfication came from a combination of a spiritual virus that he inherited from his mother and the fact that he\'s a living soul, which enabled him to Hollowfy naturally. All the Hollowfication virus did was create a malignant \
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The issue with using the Byakuya incident as evidence is that it was the first time Ichigo Hollowfied and it is never portrayed that way again. I personally see it as a fluke because all subsequent transformations are portrayed as Ichigo losing his sanity and becoming an aggressive, mindless beast. Tensa Zangetsu actually states that \\\'\\\'Ichigo\\\'\\\' became a Hollow and that \\\'\\\'Ichigo\\\'\\\' killed Ulquiorra, he did not refer to Hollow Ichigo at all; he addressed Ichigo directly. Again, it was a way for Kubo to show us what\\\'s going on in Ichigo\\\'s subconscious; he\\\'s finally accepting that he lost control of himself and killed his opponent. It was not another entity taking over, which is what he claimed after he woke up, and is NOT what happened.

Also, Ichigo\\\'s case is not like the Vizards, so you can\\\'t really compare. The way Shinji spoke sounded like their Hollows were literally inserted into their bodies and are thus to some degree still separate entities sharing a body; Ichigo\\\'s Hollowfication came from a combination of a spiritual virus that he inherited from his mother and the fact that he\\\'s a living soul, which enabled him to Hollowfy naturally. All the Hollowfication virus did was create a malignant \\\"Asauchi\\\" that gave his Hollow powers a subconscious avatar and influenced the appearance of his second Hollow form.
[003] 216.99.32.45
5th Jul '13 at 07:46:52 PM
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They embody traits of their wielders because they \'\'are\'\' their wielders; they embody their wielder\'s core traits and their conversations are visualizations of whatever is going on in their wielder\'s head. It\'s a way to show the audience what the shinigami is thinking without writing pages and pages of textual introspection like your average written novel.
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The issue with \\\'\\\'Bleach\\\'\\\' is that the concept of the zanpakuto relies so heavily on symbolism that you have to look at the subtle implications to understand what they are. They embody traits of their wielders because they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' their wielders; they embody their wielder\\\'s core traits and their conversations are visualizations of whatever is going on in their wielder\\\'s head. It\\\'s a way to show the audience what the shinigami is thinking without writing pages and pages of textual introspection like your average written novel.
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The issue with using the Byakuya incident as evidence is that it was the first time Ichigo Hollowfied and it is never portrayed that way again. I personally see it as a fluke because all subsequent transformations are portrayed as Ichigo losing his sanity and becoming an aggressive, mindless beast. Tensa Zangetsu actually states this.
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When Zabimaru appeared in front of Renji, Renji was in conflict over his situation and what to do. Kubo decided to show this by having Zabimaru voice Renji\\\'s internal thoughts and desires: to fight Ichigo again or work on his Bankai and save Rukia. In the case of Zaraki\\\'s zanpakuto, it was \\\'\\\'screaming in pain\\\'\\\' because Zaraki ignored it. Unohana\\\'s monologue while training Zaraki explains what this meant: it was a symbolic way of showing the audience that Zaraki ignored his inborn power. A zanpakuto is a shinigami\\\'s inborn power and inner thoughts given an avatar that can walk and talk (in their wielder\\\'s mind, at least). Ichigo\\\'s conflict with Zangetsu is very similar to Zaraki\\\'s, except he didn\\\'t just ignore his inborn power; he fought against it and beat it down.
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Also, Ichigo\'s case is not like the Vizards, so you can\'t really compare. The way Shinji spoke sounded like their Hollows were literally inserted into their bodies and are thus to some degree still separate entities sharing a body; Ichigo\'s Hollowfication came from a combination of a spiritual virus that he inherited from his mother and the fact that he\'s a living soul, which enabled him to Hollowfy naturally. All the Hollowfication virus did was create a malignant \
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The issue with using the Byakuya incident as evidence is that it was the first time Ichigo Hollowfied and it is never portrayed that way again. I personally see it as a fluke because all subsequent transformations are portrayed as Ichigo losing his sanity and becoming an aggressive, mindless beast. Tensa Zangetsu actually states that \\\'\\\'Ichigo\\\'\\\' became a Hollow and that \\\'\\\'Ichigo\\\'\\\' killed Ulquiorra, he did not refer to Hollow Ichigo at all; he addressed Ichigo directly. Again, it was a way for Kubo to show us what\\\'s going on in Ichigo\\\'s subconscious; he\\\'s finally accepting that he lost control of himself and killed his opponent. It was not another entity taking over, which is what he claimed after he woke up, and is NOT what happened.

Also, Ichigo\\\'s case is not like the Vizards, so you can\\\'t really compare. The way Shinji spoke sounded like their Hollows were literally inserted into their bodies and are thus to some degree still separate entities sharing a body; Ichigo\\\'s Hollowfication came from a combination of a spiritual virus that he inherited from his mother and the fact that he\\\'s a living soul, which enabled him to Hollowfy naturally. All the Hollowfication virus did was create a malignant \\\"Asauchi\\\" that gave his Hollow powers a subconscious avatar and influenced the appearance of his second Hollow form.
[002] 216.99.32.45
5th Jul '13 at 07:46:52 PM
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They embody traits of their wielders because they \'\'are\'\' their wielders; they embody their wielder\'s core traits and their conversations are visualizations of whatever is going on in their wielder\'s head. It\'s a way to show the audience what the shinigami is thinking without writing pages and pages of textual introspection like your average written novel.
to:
The issue with \\\'\\\'Bleach\\\'\\\' is that the concept of the zanpakuto relies so heavily on symbolism that you have to look at the subtle implications to understand what they are. They embody traits of their wielders because they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' their wielders; they embody their wielder\\\'s core traits and their conversations are visualizations of whatever is going on in their wielder\\\'s head. It\\\'s a way to show the audience what the shinigami is thinking without writing pages and pages of textual introspection like your average written novel.
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The issue with using the Byakuya incident as evidence is that it was the first time Ichigo Hollowfied and it is never portrayed that way again. I personally see it as a fluke because all subsequent transformations are portrayed as Ichigo losing his sanity and becoming an aggressive, mindless beast. Tensa Zangetsu actually states this.
to:
When Zabimaru appeared in front of Renji, Renji was in conflict over his situation and what to do. Kubo decided to show this by having Zabimaru voice Renji\\\'s internal thoughts and desires: to fight Ichigo again or work on his Bankai and save Rukia. In the case of Zaraki\\\'s zanpakuto, it was \\\'\\\'screaming in pain\\\'\\\' because Zaraki ignored it. Unohana\\\'s monologue while training Zaraki explains what this meant: it was a symbolic way of showing the audience that Zaraki ignored his inborn power. A zanpakuto is a shinigami\\\'s inborn power and inner thoughts given an avatar that can walk and talk (in their wielder\\\'s mind, at least). Ichigo\\\'s conflict with Zangetsu is very similar to Zaraki\\\'s, except he didn\\\'t just ignore his inborn power; he fought against it and beat it down.
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Also, Ichigo\'s case is not like the Vizards, so you can\'t really compare. The way Shinji spoke sounded like their Hollows were literally inserted into their bodies and are thus to some degree still separate entities sharing a body; Ichigo\'s Hollowfication came from a combination of a spiritual virus that he inherited from his mother and the fact that he\'s a living soul, which enabled him to Hollowfy naturally. All the Hollowfication virus did was create a malignant \
to:
The issue with using the Byakuya incident as evidence is that it was the first time Ichigo Hollowfied and it is never portrayed that way again. I personally see it as a fluke because all subsequent transformations are portrayed as Ichigo losing his sanity and becoming an aggressive, mindless beast. Tensa Zangetsu actually states that \\\'\\\'Ichigo\\\'\\\' became a Hollow and that \\\'\\\'Ichigo\\\'\\\' killed Ulquiorra, he did not refer to Hollow Ichigo at all; he addressed Ichigo directly. Again, it was a way for Kubo to show us what\\\'s going on in Ichigo\\\'s subconscious; he\\\'s finally accepting that he lost control of himself and killed his opponent. It was not another entity taking over, which is what he claimed after he woke up, and is NOT what happened.

Also, Ichigo\\\'s case is not like the Vizards, so you can\\\'t really compare. The way Shinji spoke sounded like their Hollows were literally inserted into their bodies and are thus to some degree still separate entities sharing a body; Ichigo\\\'s Hollowfication came from a combination of a spiritual virus that he inherited from his mother and the fact that he\\\'s a living soul, which enabled him to Hollowfy naturally. All the Hollowfication virus did was create a malignant \\\"Asauchi\\\" that gave his Hollow powers a subconscious avatar and influenced the appearance of his second Hollow form.
[001] 216.99.32.45
5th Jul '13 at 07:46:52 PM
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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They embody traits of their wielders because they \'\'are\'\' their wielders; they embody their wielder\'s core traits and their conversations are visualizations of whatever is going on in their wielder\'s head. It\'s a way to show the audience what the shinigami is thinking without writing pages and pages of textual introspection like your average written novel.
to:
The issue with \\\'\\\'Bleach\\\'\\\' is that the concept of the zanpakuto relies so heavily on symbolism that you have to look at the subtle implications to understand what they are. They embody traits of their wielders because they \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' their wielders; they embody their wielder\\\'s core traits and their conversations are visualizations of whatever is going on in their wielder\\\'s head. It\\\'s a way to show the audience what the shinigami is thinking without writing pages and pages of textual introspection like your average written novel.
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The issue with using the Byakuya incident as evidence is that it was the first time Ichigo Hollowfied and it is never portrayed that way again. I personally see it as a fluke because all subsequent transformations are portrayed as Ichigo losing his sanity and becoming an aggressive, mindless beast. Tensa Zangetsu actually states this.
to:
When Zabimaru appeared in front of Renji, Renji was in conflict over his situation and what to do. Kubo decided to show this by having Zabimaru voice Renji\\\'s internal thoughts and desires: to fight Ichigo again or work on his Bankai and save Rukia. In the case of Zaraki\\\'s zanpakuto, it was \\\'\\\'screaming in pain\\\'\\\' because Zaraki ignored it. Unohana\\\'s monologue while training Zaraki explains what this meant: it was a symbolic way of showing the audience that Zaraki ignored his inborn power. A zanpakuto is a shinigami\\\'s inborn power and inner thoughts given an avatar that can walk and talk (in their wielder\\\'s mind, at least). Ichigo\\\'s conflict with Zangetsu is very similar to Zaraki\\\'s, except he didn\\\'t just ignore his inborn power; he fought against it and beat it down.
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Also, Ichigo\'s case is not like the Vizards, so you can\'t really compare. The way Shinji spoke sounded like their Hollows were literally inserted into their bodies and are thus to some degree still separate entities sharing a body; Ichigo\'s Hollowfication came from a combination of a spiritual virus that he inherited from his mother and the fact that he\'s a living soul, which enabled him to Hollowfy naturally. All the Hollowfication virus did was create a malignant \
to:
The issue with using the Byakuya incident as evidence is that it was the first time Ichigo Hollowfied and it is never portrayed that way again. I personally see it as a fluke because all subsequent transformations are portrayed as Ichigo losing his sanity and becoming an aggressive, mindless beast. Tensa Zangetsu actually states that \\\'\\\'Ichigo\\\'\\\' became a Hollow and that \\\'\\\'Ichigo\\\'\\\' killed Ulquiorra, he did not refer to Hollow Ichigo at all; he addressed Ichigo directly. Again, it was a way for Kubo to show us what\\\'s going on in Ichigo\\\'s subconscious; he\\\'s finally accepting that he lost control of himself and killed his opponent. It was not another entity taking over, which is what he claimed after he woke up, and is NOT what happened.

Also, Ichigo\\\'s case is not like the Vizards, so you can\\\'t really compare. The way Shinji spoke sounded like their Hollows were literally inserted into their bodies and are thus to some degree still separate entities sharing a body; Ichigo\\\'s Hollowfication came from a combination of a spiritual virus that he inherited from his mother and the fact that he\\\'s a living soul, which enabled him to Hollowfy naturally. All the Hollowfication virus did was create a malignant \\\"Asauchi\\\" that gave his Hollow powers a subconscious avatar and influenced the appearance of his second Hollow form.

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