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Then, again - YMMV. Could someone explain me why first thing are removed from main article, placed in YMMV (where they are said to belong) and THEN removed from YMMV by the same people who removed them from main article? Then what\'s the real purpose of numerous YMMV tropes if they are removed from YMMV, because someone got other mileage? \'\'All\'\' YMMV is about are how they \'\'\'may vary\'\'\'. And what\'s the answer? \
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Then, again - YMMV. Could someone explain me why first thing are removed from main article, placed in YMMV (where they are said to belong) and THEN removed from YMMV by the same people who removed them from main article? Then what\\\'s the real purpose of numerous YMMV tropes if they are removed from YMMV, because someone got other mileage? \\\'\\\'All\\\'\\\' YMMV is about are how they \\\'\\\'\\\'may vary\\\'\\\'\\\'. And what\\\'s the answer? \\\"Because that\\\'s not YMMV\\\" or even better - \\\"Because I say so, so it should be removed\\\". Sorry, but I don\\\'t get it. It\\\'s [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] taken UpToEleven.
Back to the subject:
For all I care, MightyWhitey is trope about superior white people who outmatch any other races in any given field. The part about being noble explorer is a flavour to main content. But the nice thing you pointed out (making your argument invalid that way) is that all those characters could be ANY given race. And they are not. That\\\'s the point here. Their race is placed to add any characteristic to those two-dimensional cardboard cut-outs pretending to be humans. It\\\'s like in that infamous case of Film/TheCraft - black girl, whose main characteristic was the fact she\\\'s black \\\'\\\'and nothing else\\\'\\\'. We got here the same thing. The fact that we made all white people die and kill all men who weren\\\'t minorities are UnfortunateImplications, you like it or not.
It\\\'s not what Lara did (or actually - didn\\\'t do) but about how Grim commits suicide in some crazy, entirely avoidable stunt. Then we got Alex who is \\\"in love\\\", which [[ShowDontTell we learns from a note]] after 3/4 of game is over. This is just plain stupidity, without any love excuse, because his affection is non-existend outside that note. And then we got Roth, who can got two treatments:
* You can take him as [=deconstruction/parody=] of being badass in story like this
* You take him as another [=heroic/stupid=] sacrifice combined with RuleOfDrama dialed UpToEleven, which makes his death pure {{Narm}}.
But the point still remains. White guys die in most stupid ways that were entirely avoidable if little thing called thinking was involved.
It\\\'s not about OriginStory. It\\\'s about the point of this story and how it fails psychology forever. The whole point of another retcon of TR is plain and simple - \\\"we run out of ideas, so let\\\'s depower our badass hero, put few buckets of all kinds of abuse on her, plaster badass tag on her in the end and sell this\\\". I\\\'m not talking how it would be strange if she was gun-totting ActionGirl from the start. I\\\'m talking why the sole idea of making game hell-bend on making her ActionGirl by putting her through hell and making another bland BrokenBird character is bad. If you don\\\'t see this, then I won\\\'t be even able to explain this, because we are talking about two different subjects here.
I\\\'m calling it sexist, because they took one of most prominent empowered female figures in whole gaming industry and put her into {{chickification}}. She \\\'\\\'was already\\\'\\\' a badass and there was no real point in making her weak, vulnerable chick who first must go for nightmarish experiences. For all I recall, Lara was realistically and progressivly becoming badass in her original, Core-written story - by years of hiking, mountain climbing and many, many experiences, culminating with fatal plane crash in Himalayas, which wasn\\\'t the time when she became badass, but just decide to change her life for good. Retcon later she goes through that plane crash at age of 9, which was a wallbanger. Two retcons later the way she becomes badass is because she kills few hundreds of evil cultist during her first field \\\"dig\\\" and going through all kind of abuse for few days. And you call \\\'\\\'me\\\'\\\' out for being sexist? Then what are writers of this story?
Your WHOLE support is \\\"I say so, so that how it is\\\". You are no better, pal, just a {{hypocrite}}. But this is interesting how two guys writing about UnfortunateImplications are regarded as VocalMinority by [[NotSoDifferent two guys who are against said trope]]. In YMMV. This is just mindblowing.
Back to the subject:
For all I care, MightyWhitey is trope about superior white people who outmatch any other races in any given field. The part about being noble explorer is a flavour to main content. But the nice thing you pointed out (making your argument invalid that way) is that all those characters could be ANY given race. And they are not. That\\\'s the point here. Their race is placed to add any characteristic to those two-dimensional cardboard cut-outs pretending to be humans. It\\\'s like in that infamous case of Film/TheCraft - black girl, whose main characteristic was the fact she\\\'s black \\\'\\\'and nothing else\\\'\\\'. We got here the same thing. The fact that we made all white people die and kill all men who weren\\\'t minorities are UnfortunateImplications, you like it or not.
It\\\'s not what Lara did (or actually - didn\\\'t do) but about how Grim commits suicide in some crazy, entirely avoidable stunt. Then we got Alex who is \\\"in love\\\", which [[ShowDontTell we learns from a note]] after 3/4 of game is over. This is just plain stupidity, without any love excuse, because his affection is non-existend outside that note. And then we got Roth, who can got two treatments:
* You can take him as [=deconstruction/parody=] of being badass in story like this
* You take him as another [=heroic/stupid=] sacrifice combined with RuleOfDrama dialed UpToEleven, which makes his death pure {{Narm}}.
But the point still remains. White guys die in most stupid ways that were entirely avoidable if little thing called thinking was involved.
It\\\'s not about OriginStory. It\\\'s about the point of this story and how it fails psychology forever. The whole point of another retcon of TR is plain and simple - \\\"we run out of ideas, so let\\\'s depower our badass hero, put few buckets of all kinds of abuse on her, plaster badass tag on her in the end and sell this\\\". I\\\'m not talking how it would be strange if she was gun-totting ActionGirl from the start. I\\\'m talking why the sole idea of making game hell-bend on making her ActionGirl by putting her through hell and making another bland BrokenBird character is bad. If you don\\\'t see this, then I won\\\'t be even able to explain this, because we are talking about two different subjects here.
I\\\'m calling it sexist, because they took one of most prominent empowered female figures in whole gaming industry and put her into {{chickification}}. She \\\'\\\'was already\\\'\\\' a badass and there was no real point in making her weak, vulnerable chick who first must go for nightmarish experiences. For all I recall, Lara was realistically and progressivly becoming badass in her original, Core-written story - by years of hiking, mountain climbing and many, many experiences, culminating with fatal plane crash in Himalayas, which wasn\\\'t the time when she became badass, but just decide to change her life for good. Retcon later she goes through that plane crash at age of 9, which was a wallbanger. Two retcons later the way she becomes badass is because she kills few hundreds of evil cultist during her first field \\\"dig\\\" and going through all kind of abuse for few days. And you call \\\'\\\'me\\\'\\\' out for being sexist? Then what are writers of this story?
Your WHOLE support is \\\"I say so, so that how it is\\\". You are no better, pal, just a {{hypocrite}}. But this is interesting how two guys writing about UnfortunateImplications are regarded as VocalMinority by [[NotSoDifferent two guys who are against said trope]]. In YMMV. This is just mindblowing.
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Then, again - YMMV. Could someone explain me why first thing are removed from main article, placed in YMMV (where they are said to belong) and THEN removed from YMMV by the same people who removed them from main article? Then what\'s the real purpose of numerous YMMV tropes if they are removed from YMMV, because someone got other mileage? \'\'All\'\' YMMV is about are how they \'\'\'may vary\'\'\'. And what\'s the answer? \
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Then, again - YMMV. Could someone explain me why first thing are removed from main article, placed in YMMV (where they are said to belong) and THEN removed from YMMV by the same people who removed them from main article? Then what\\\'s the real purpose of numerous YMMV tropes if they are removed from YMMV, because someone got other mileage? \\\'\\\'All\\\'\\\' YMMV is about are how they \\\'\\\'\\\'may vary\\\'\\\'\\\'. And what\\\'s the answer? \\\"Because that\\\'s not YMMV\\\" or even better - \\\"Because I say so, so it should be removed\\\". Sorry, but I don\\\'t get it. It\\\'s [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] taken UpToEleven.
Back to the subject:
For all I care, MightyWhitey is trope about superior white people who outmatch any other races in any given field. The part about being noble explorer is a flavour to main content. But the nice thing you pointed out (making your argument invalid that way) is that all those characters could be ANY given race. And they are not. That\\\'s the point here. Their race is placed to add any characteristic to those two-dimensional cardboard cut-outs pretending to be humans. It\\\'s like in that infamous case of TheCraft - black girl, whose main characteristic was the fact she\\\'s black \\\'\\\'and nothing else\\\'\\\'. We got here the same thing. The fact that we made all white people die and kill all men who weren\\\'t minorities are UnfortunateImplications, you like it or not.
It\\\'s not what Lara did (or actually - didn\\\'t do) but about how Grim commits suicide in some crazy, entirely avoidable stunt. Then we got Alex who is \\\"in love\\\", which [[ShowDontTell we learns from a note]] after 3/4 of game is over. This is just plain stupidity, without any love excuse, because his affection is non-existend outside that note. And then we got Roth, who can got two treatments:
* You can take him as [=deconstruction/parody=] of being badass in story like this
* You take him as another [=heroic/stupid=] sacrifice combined with RuleOfDrama dialed UpToEleven, which makes his death pure {{Narm}}.
But the point still remains. White guys die in most stupid ways that were entirely avoidable if little thing called thinking was involved.
It\\\'s not about OriginStory. It\\\'s about the point of this story and how it fails psychology forever. The whole point of another retcon of TR is plain and simple - \\\"we run out of ideas, so let\\\'s depower our badass hero, put few buckets of all kinds of abuse on her, plaster badass tag on her in the end and sell this\\\". I\\\'m not talking how it would be strange if she was gun-totting ActionGirl from the start. I\\\'m talking why the sole idea of making game hell-bend on making her ActionGirl by putting her through hell and making another bland BrokenBird character is bad. If you don\\\'t see this, then I won\\\'t be even able to explain this, because we are talking about two different subjects here.
I\\\'m calling it sexist, because they took one of most prominent empowered female figures in whole gaming industry and put her into {{chickification}}. She \\\'\\\'was already\\\'\\\' a badass and there was no real point in making her weak, vulnerable chick who first must go for nightmarish experiences. For all I recall, Lara was realistically and progressivly becoming badass in her original, Core-written story - by years of hiking, mountain climbing and many, many experiences, culminating with fatal plane crash in Himalayas, which wasn\\\'t the time when she became badass, but just decide to change her life for good. Retcon later she goes through that plane crash at age of 9, which was a wallbanger. Two retcons later the way she becomes badass is because she kills few hundreds of evil cultist during her first field \\\"dig\\\" and going through all kind of abuse for few days. And you call \\\'\\\'me\\\'\\\' out for being sexist? Then what are writers of this story?
Your WHOLE support is \\\"I say so, so that how it is\\\". You are no better, pal, just a {{hypocrite}}. But this is interesting how two guys writing about UnfortunateImplications are regarded as VocalMinority by [[NotSoDifferent two guys who are against said trope]]. In YMMV. This is just mindblowing.
Back to the subject:
For all I care, MightyWhitey is trope about superior white people who outmatch any other races in any given field. The part about being noble explorer is a flavour to main content. But the nice thing you pointed out (making your argument invalid that way) is that all those characters could be ANY given race. And they are not. That\\\'s the point here. Their race is placed to add any characteristic to those two-dimensional cardboard cut-outs pretending to be humans. It\\\'s like in that infamous case of TheCraft - black girl, whose main characteristic was the fact she\\\'s black \\\'\\\'and nothing else\\\'\\\'. We got here the same thing. The fact that we made all white people die and kill all men who weren\\\'t minorities are UnfortunateImplications, you like it or not.
It\\\'s not what Lara did (or actually - didn\\\'t do) but about how Grim commits suicide in some crazy, entirely avoidable stunt. Then we got Alex who is \\\"in love\\\", which [[ShowDontTell we learns from a note]] after 3/4 of game is over. This is just plain stupidity, without any love excuse, because his affection is non-existend outside that note. And then we got Roth, who can got two treatments:
* You can take him as [=deconstruction/parody=] of being badass in story like this
* You take him as another [=heroic/stupid=] sacrifice combined with RuleOfDrama dialed UpToEleven, which makes his death pure {{Narm}}.
But the point still remains. White guys die in most stupid ways that were entirely avoidable if little thing called thinking was involved.
It\\\'s not about OriginStory. It\\\'s about the point of this story and how it fails psychology forever. The whole point of another retcon of TR is plain and simple - \\\"we run out of ideas, so let\\\'s depower our badass hero, put few buckets of all kinds of abuse on her, plaster badass tag on her in the end and sell this\\\". I\\\'m not talking how it would be strange if she was gun-totting ActionGirl from the start. I\\\'m talking why the sole idea of making game hell-bend on making her ActionGirl by putting her through hell and making another bland BrokenBird character is bad. If you don\\\'t see this, then I won\\\'t be even able to explain this, because we are talking about two different subjects here.
I\\\'m calling it sexist, because they took one of most prominent empowered female figures in whole gaming industry and put her into {{chickification}}. She \\\'\\\'was already\\\'\\\' a badass and there was no real point in making her weak, vulnerable chick who first must go for nightmarish experiences. For all I recall, Lara was realistically and progressivly becoming badass in her original, Core-written story - by years of hiking, mountain climbing and many, many experiences, culminating with fatal plane crash in Himalayas, which wasn\\\'t the time when she became badass, but just decide to change her life for good. Retcon later she goes through that plane crash at age of 9, which was a wallbanger. Two retcons later the way she becomes badass is because she kills few hundreds of evil cultist during her first field \\\"dig\\\" and going through all kind of abuse for few days. And you call \\\'\\\'me\\\'\\\' out for being sexist? Then what are writers of this story?
Your WHOLE support is \\\"I say so, so that how it is\\\". You are no better, pal, just a {{hypocrite}}. But this is interesting how two guys writing about UnfortunateImplications are regarded as VocalMinority by [[NotSoDifferent two guys who are against said trope]]. In YMMV. This is just mindblowing.
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I wonder how does it goes than any amound of argment about how the game is bad simply can\'t outweight any kind of excuses praising or defending it. And this goes outside of this topic, because the same attitude prevail all over this place. If something is not a picked-up kid in glasses on this site, then God forbid saying anything bad about it. What is this? Censorship? Political correctness? Sponsorship? Because sorry, but I don\'t understand this attitude. At all.
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I wonder how does it goes than any amound of argment about how some element of the game is bad simply can\\\'t outweight excuses praising or defending it. And this goes outside of this topic, because the same attitude prevail all over this place. If something is not a picked-up kid in glasses on this site, then God forbid saying anything bad about it. What is this? Censorship? Political correctness? Sponsorship? Because sorry, but I don\\\'t understand this attitude. At all.
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Then, again - YMMV. Could someone explain me why first thing are removed from main article, placed in YMMV (where they are said to belong) and THEN removed from YMMV by the same people who removed them from main article? Then what\'s the real purpose of numerous YMMV tropes if they are removed from YMMV, because someone got other mileage? \'\'All\'\' YMMV is about are how they \'\'\'may vary\'\'\'. And what\'s the answer? \
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Then, again - YMMV. Could someone explain me why first thing are removed from main article, placed in YMMV (where they are said to belong) and THEN removed from YMMV by the same people who removed them from main article? Then what\\\'s the real purpose of numerous YMMV tropes if they are removed from YMMV, because someone got other mileage? \\\'\\\'All\\\'\\\' YMMV is about are how they \\\'\\\'\\\'may vary\\\'\\\'\\\'. And what\\\'s the answer? \\\"Because that\\\'s not YMMV\\\" or even better - \\\"Because I say so, so it should be removed\\\". Sorry, but I don\\\'t get it. It\\\'s [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] taken UpToEleven.
Back to the subject:
For all I care, MightyWhitey is trope about superior white people who outmatch any other races in any given field. The part about being noble explorer is a flavour to main content. But the nice thing you pointed out (making your argument invalid that way) is that all those characters could be ANY given race. And they are not. That\\\'s the point here. Their race is placed to add any characteristic to those two-dimensional cardboard cut-outs pretending to be humans. It\\\'s like in that infamous case of TheCraft - black girl, whose main characteristic was the fact she\\\'s black \\\'\\\'and nothing else\\\'\\\'. We got here the same thing. The fact that we made all white people die and kill all men who weren\\\'t minorities are UnfortunateImplications, you like it or not.
It\\\'s not what Lara did (or actually - didn\\\'t do) but about how Grim commits suicide in some crazy, entirely avoidable stunt. Then we got Alex who is \\\"in love\\\", which [[ShowDontTell we learns from a note]] after 3/4 of game is over. This is just plain stupidity, without any love excuse, because his affection is non-existend outside that note. And then we got Roth, who can got two treatments:
* You can take him as [=deconstruction/parody=] of being badass in story like this
* You take him as another [=heroic/stupid=] sacrifice combined with RuleOfDrama dialed UpToEleven, which makes his death pure {{Narm}}.
But the point still remains. White guys die in most stupid ways that were entirely avoidable if little thing called thinking was involved.
It\\\'s not about OriginStory. It\\\'s about the point of this story and how it fails psychology forever. The whole point of another retcon of TR is plain and simple - \\\"we run out of ideas, so let\\\'s depower our badass hero, put few buckets of all kinds of abuse on her, plaster badass tag on her in the end and sell this\\\". I\\\'m not talking how it would be strange if she was gun-totting ActionGirl from the start. I\\\'m talking why the sole idea of making game hell-bend on making her ActionGirl by putting her through hell and making another bland BrokenBird character is bad. If you don\\\'t see this, then I won\\\'t be even able to explain this, because we are talking about two different subjects here.
I\\\'m calling it sexist, because they took one of most prominent empowered female figures in whole gaming industry and put her into {{chickification}}. She \\\'\\\'was already\\\'\\\' a badass and there was no real point in making her weak, vulnerable chick who first must go for nightmarish experiences. For all I recall, Lara was realistically and progressivly becoming badass in her original story - by years of hiking, mountain climbing and many, many experiences, culminating with fatal plane crash in Himalayas, which wasn\\\'t the time when she became badass, but just decide to change her life for good. Retcon later she goes through that plane crash at age of 9, which was a wallbanger. Two retcons later the way she becomes badass is because she kills few hundreds of evil cultist during her first field \\\"dig\\\" and going through all kind of abuse for few days. And you call \\\'\\\'me\\\'\\\' out for being sexist? Then what are writers of this story?
Your WHOLE support is \\\"I say so, so that how it is\\\". You are no better, pal, just a {{hypocrite}}. But this is interesting how two guys writing about UnfortunateImplications are regarded as VocalMinority by [[NotSoDifferent two guys who are against said trope]]. In YMMV. This is just mindblowing.
Back to the subject:
For all I care, MightyWhitey is trope about superior white people who outmatch any other races in any given field. The part about being noble explorer is a flavour to main content. But the nice thing you pointed out (making your argument invalid that way) is that all those characters could be ANY given race. And they are not. That\\\'s the point here. Their race is placed to add any characteristic to those two-dimensional cardboard cut-outs pretending to be humans. It\\\'s like in that infamous case of TheCraft - black girl, whose main characteristic was the fact she\\\'s black \\\'\\\'and nothing else\\\'\\\'. We got here the same thing. The fact that we made all white people die and kill all men who weren\\\'t minorities are UnfortunateImplications, you like it or not.
It\\\'s not what Lara did (or actually - didn\\\'t do) but about how Grim commits suicide in some crazy, entirely avoidable stunt. Then we got Alex who is \\\"in love\\\", which [[ShowDontTell we learns from a note]] after 3/4 of game is over. This is just plain stupidity, without any love excuse, because his affection is non-existend outside that note. And then we got Roth, who can got two treatments:
* You can take him as [=deconstruction/parody=] of being badass in story like this
* You take him as another [=heroic/stupid=] sacrifice combined with RuleOfDrama dialed UpToEleven, which makes his death pure {{Narm}}.
But the point still remains. White guys die in most stupid ways that were entirely avoidable if little thing called thinking was involved.
It\\\'s not about OriginStory. It\\\'s about the point of this story and how it fails psychology forever. The whole point of another retcon of TR is plain and simple - \\\"we run out of ideas, so let\\\'s depower our badass hero, put few buckets of all kinds of abuse on her, plaster badass tag on her in the end and sell this\\\". I\\\'m not talking how it would be strange if she was gun-totting ActionGirl from the start. I\\\'m talking why the sole idea of making game hell-bend on making her ActionGirl by putting her through hell and making another bland BrokenBird character is bad. If you don\\\'t see this, then I won\\\'t be even able to explain this, because we are talking about two different subjects here.
I\\\'m calling it sexist, because they took one of most prominent empowered female figures in whole gaming industry and put her into {{chickification}}. She \\\'\\\'was already\\\'\\\' a badass and there was no real point in making her weak, vulnerable chick who first must go for nightmarish experiences. For all I recall, Lara was realistically and progressivly becoming badass in her original story - by years of hiking, mountain climbing and many, many experiences, culminating with fatal plane crash in Himalayas, which wasn\\\'t the time when she became badass, but just decide to change her life for good. Retcon later she goes through that plane crash at age of 9, which was a wallbanger. Two retcons later the way she becomes badass is because she kills few hundreds of evil cultist during her first field \\\"dig\\\" and going through all kind of abuse for few days. And you call \\\'\\\'me\\\'\\\' out for being sexist? Then what are writers of this story?
Your WHOLE support is \\\"I say so, so that how it is\\\". You are no better, pal, just a {{hypocrite}}. But this is interesting how two guys writing about UnfortunateImplications are regarded as VocalMinority by [[NotSoDifferent two guys who are against said trope]]. In YMMV. This is just mindblowing.
