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[[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0504_RUNAWY015.jpg That Runaway image]] doesn\'t look much at all like a cute \
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[[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0504_RUNAWY015.jpg That Runaway image]] doesn\\\'t look much at all like \\\"cute\\\" or \\\"little child\\\", even if the entry for it says she\\\'s 11... This \\\'\\\'SasamekiKoto\\\'\\\' picture made me think of this trope, even if Lotte doesn\\\'t have the superpowers of most of the examples...
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[[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0504_RUNAWY015.jpg That Runaway image]] doesn\'t look much at all like a cute \
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[[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0504_RUNAWY015.jpg That Runaway image]] doesn\\\'t look much at all like a cute \\\"little child\\\", even if the entry for it says she\\\'s 11... This \\\'\\\'SasamekiKoto\\\'\\\' picture made me think of this trope, even if Lotte doesn\\\'t have the superpowers of most of the examples...
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[[quoteright:200:[[Sasameki Koto http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Sasameki_Koto_c34_-_Lotte_handkerchef_-_flipped_2389.png]]]]
[[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0504_RUNAWY015.jpg That Runaway image]] doesn\'t look much at all like a cute \
[[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0504_RUNAWY015.jpg That Runaway image]] doesn\'t look much at all like a cute \
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[[quoteright:200:[[SasamekiKoto http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Sasameki_Koto_c34_-_Lotte_handkerchef_-_flipped_2389.png]]]]
[[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0504_RUNAWY015.jpg That Runaway image]] doesn\\\'t look much at all like a cute \\\"little child\\\"... This \\\'\\\'SasamekiKoto\\\'\\\' picture made me think of this trope, even if Lotte doesn\\\'t have the superpowers of most of the examples...
[[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0504_RUNAWY015.jpg That Runaway image]] doesn\\\'t look much at all like a cute \\\"little child\\\"... This \\\'\\\'SasamekiKoto\\\'\\\' picture made me think of this trope, even if Lotte doesn\\\'t have the superpowers of most of the examples...
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As far as Kagura\'s side in things, well she never actually says out loud that she loves him, but look at her actions. Well okay, wanting to see someone isn\'t as big of a deal as risking your life or saving someone\'s life...but the whole \
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As far as Kagura\\\'s side in things, well she never actually says out loud that she loves him, but look at her actions. Well okay, wanting to see someone isn\\\'t as big of a deal as risking your life or saving someone\\\'s life...but the whole \\\"chasing someone\\\" thing is usually indicative of a crush, unless otherwise stated (revenge or something). Or maybe she just wants to hang out with him...but like soojinyeh stated, when it comes out of nowhere like that, that\\\'s not exactly a solid friendship.
As far as Sesshomaru\\\'s initial reaction to her, well it only makes sense. H\\\'d just met her, this is Sesshomaru after all-he\\\'s emotionally detached, he\\\'s the \\\"tough guy\\\". That\\\'s why when he first met Rin, he wasn\\\'t gonna save her until after Tenseiga pulsed and told him to do so (he was gonna leave her at first) and even when Naraku first makes Kagura kidnap her he was reluctant about saving her, and he didn\\\'t actually start saving her like that until after she\\\'d been following him for quite a while and he had time to get attached to her. Because it\\\'s Sesshomaru-he needs time to get warmed up to people, that\\\'s just how he is. If he got attached to her at first glance it wouldn\\\'t make sense. And after a while, he does start gradually warming up to her, starting out by him apporaching her for info instead of the other way around, and then saving her (albeit reluctantly), lying for her and then he shows more and more devotion.
They don\\\'t end up together, but they don\\\'t have to, plenty of canon couples don\\\'t. Like my friend says, it\\\'s not canon in the sense that they were \\\"making out and getting married\\\", but it\\\'s canon in the sense that \\\"they definitely had feelings for each other\\\".
In short, I can definitely see why soojinyeh thinks they belong here. I agree...however we can\\\'t, since it tends to piss people off. I think this discussion is enough.
Littleirishgirl, you say you\\\'re a Sess Kag shipper too right? Well think back to the fics you read. When the people we read bash someone, it\\\'s not Rin, it\\\'s Kagura. And you can\\\'t really say it\\\'s because she\\\'s a kid since writers tend to bash Shippo all the time-when it comes to shipping, they\\\'ve shown that they really don\\\'t care whether the person is a kid. I think there\\\'s a reason Kagura\\\'s the one everyone feels threatened by-if there was nothing there to feel threatened over, this kind of bashing wouldn\\\'t be happening.
@iloveoprah-this is my last and only post, no need to worry.
Edit: As far as translations go, I\\\'ve read several scanlations done by Japanese-speaking fans and they all seem to agree that there\\\'s really nothing romantic between Sesshomaru and Rin. Why would independent fan scanlators censor anything out?
As far as Sesshomaru\\\'s initial reaction to her, well it only makes sense. H\\\'d just met her, this is Sesshomaru after all-he\\\'s emotionally detached, he\\\'s the \\\"tough guy\\\". That\\\'s why when he first met Rin, he wasn\\\'t gonna save her until after Tenseiga pulsed and told him to do so (he was gonna leave her at first) and even when Naraku first makes Kagura kidnap her he was reluctant about saving her, and he didn\\\'t actually start saving her like that until after she\\\'d been following him for quite a while and he had time to get attached to her. Because it\\\'s Sesshomaru-he needs time to get warmed up to people, that\\\'s just how he is. If he got attached to her at first glance it wouldn\\\'t make sense. And after a while, he does start gradually warming up to her, starting out by him apporaching her for info instead of the other way around, and then saving her (albeit reluctantly), lying for her and then he shows more and more devotion.
They don\\\'t end up together, but they don\\\'t have to, plenty of canon couples don\\\'t. Like my friend says, it\\\'s not canon in the sense that they were \\\"making out and getting married\\\", but it\\\'s canon in the sense that \\\"they definitely had feelings for each other\\\".
In short, I can definitely see why soojinyeh thinks they belong here. I agree...however we can\\\'t, since it tends to piss people off. I think this discussion is enough.
Littleirishgirl, you say you\\\'re a Sess Kag shipper too right? Well think back to the fics you read. When the people we read bash someone, it\\\'s not Rin, it\\\'s Kagura. And you can\\\'t really say it\\\'s because she\\\'s a kid since writers tend to bash Shippo all the time-when it comes to shipping, they\\\'ve shown that they really don\\\'t care whether the person is a kid. I think there\\\'s a reason Kagura\\\'s the one everyone feels threatened by-if there was nothing there to feel threatened over, this kind of bashing wouldn\\\'t be happening.
@iloveoprah-this is my last and only post, no need to worry.
Edit: As far as translations go, I\\\'ve read several scanlations done by Japanese-speaking fans and they all seem to agree that there\\\'s really nothing romantic between Sesshomaru and Rin. Why would independent fan scanlators censor anything out?
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Sure he\'s saved Kagome and others before (I love the ShipTease for my pairing), but you can\'t deny that those instances didn\'t carry the significance that the incident with the fighting Tenseiga, and chapter 374, and Tokijin did. Rumiko Takahashi makes sure make a much bigger deal out of it, it was incredibly heavily dramatized, showing that she herself takes it much more seriously. You\'ve gotta recognize that whereas him showing kindness to his brother and whatnot was obviously a RESULT OF his character development and being changed, Kagura had a direct hand in CHANGING him and CAUSING character development (Tenseiga is definite proof), just like Rin did. I don\'t really think you can deny that his relationship with Kagura is different from his relationship with any of them.
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Sure he\\\'s saved Kagome and others before (I love the ShipTease for my pairing), but you can\\\'t deny that those instances didn\\\'t carry the significance that the incident with the fighting Tenseiga, and chapter 374, and Tokijin did. Rumiko Takahashi makes sure make a much bigger deal out of it, it was incredibly heavily dramatized, showing that she herself takes it much more seriously. You\\\'ve gotta recognize that whereas him showing kindness to his brother and whatnot was obviously a RESULT OF his character development and being changed, Kagura had a direct hand in CHANGING him and CAUSING character development (Tenseiga is definite proof), just like Rin did. I don\\\'t really think you can deny that his relationship with Kagura is different from his relationship with any of them. (edit: also...every time he\\\'s saved Kagome, he usually just happens to be there. He didn\\\'t go out of his way and forego a chance to kill Naraku like he did with Kagura, and he\\\'s also shown at times complete disregard for her life, like that time in the underworld when Naraku tells him about the miasma that will kill everyone else and Sesshomaru doesn\\\'t care).
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As far as Kagura\'s side in things, well she never actually says out loud that she loves him, but look at her actions. Well okay, wanting to see someone isn\'t as big of a deal as risking your life or saving someone\'s life...but the whole \
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As far as Kagura\\\'s side in things, well she never actually says out loud that she loves him, but look at her actions. Well okay, wanting to see someone isn\\\'t as big of a deal as risking your life or saving someone\\\'s life...but the whole \\\"chasing someone\\\" thing is usually indicative of a crush, unless otherwise stated (revenge or something). Or maybe she just wants to hang out with him...but like soojinyeh stated, when it comes out of nowhere like that, that\\\'s not exactly a solid friendship.
As far as Sesshomaru\\\'s initial reaction to her, well it only makes sense. H\\\'d just met her, this is Sesshomaru after all-he\\\'s emotionally detached, he\\\'s the \\\"tough guy\\\". That\\\'s why when he first met Rin, he wasn\\\'t gonna save her until after Tenseiga pulsed and told him to do so (he was gonna leave her at first) and even when Naraku first makes Kagura kidnap her he was reluctant about saving her, and he didn\\\'t actually start saving her like that until after she\\\'d been following him for quite a while and he had time to get attached to her. Because it\\\'s Sesshomaru-he needs time to get warmed up to people, that\\\'s just how he is. If he got attached to her at first glance it wouldn\\\'t make sense. And after a while, he does start gradually warming up to her, starting out by him apporaching her for info instead of the other way around, and then saving her (albeit reluctantly), lying for her and then he shows more and more devotion.
They don\\\'t end up together, but they don\\\'t have to, plenty of canon couples don\\\'t. Like my friend says, it\\\'s not canon in the sense that they were \\\"making out and getting married\\\", but it\\\'s canon in the sense that \\\"they definitely had feelings for each other\\\".
In short, I can definitely see why soojinyeh thinks they belong here. I agree...however we can\\\'t, since it tends to piss people off. I think this discussion is enough.
Littleirishgirl, you say you\\\'re a Sess Kag shipper too right? Well think back to the fics you read. When the people we read bash someone, it\\\'s not Rin, it\\\'s Kagura. And you can\\\'t really say it\\\'s because she\\\'s a kid since writers tend to bash Shippo all the time-when it comes to shipping, they\\\'ve shown that they really don\\\'t care whether the person is a kid. I think there\\\'s a reason Kagura\\\'s the one everyone feels threatened by-if there was nothing there to feel threatened over, this kind of bashing wouldn\\\'t be happening.
@iloveoprah-this is my last and only post, no need to worry.
As far as Sesshomaru\\\'s initial reaction to her, well it only makes sense. H\\\'d just met her, this is Sesshomaru after all-he\\\'s emotionally detached, he\\\'s the \\\"tough guy\\\". That\\\'s why when he first met Rin, he wasn\\\'t gonna save her until after Tenseiga pulsed and told him to do so (he was gonna leave her at first) and even when Naraku first makes Kagura kidnap her he was reluctant about saving her, and he didn\\\'t actually start saving her like that until after she\\\'d been following him for quite a while and he had time to get attached to her. Because it\\\'s Sesshomaru-he needs time to get warmed up to people, that\\\'s just how he is. If he got attached to her at first glance it wouldn\\\'t make sense. And after a while, he does start gradually warming up to her, starting out by him apporaching her for info instead of the other way around, and then saving her (albeit reluctantly), lying for her and then he shows more and more devotion.
They don\\\'t end up together, but they don\\\'t have to, plenty of canon couples don\\\'t. Like my friend says, it\\\'s not canon in the sense that they were \\\"making out and getting married\\\", but it\\\'s canon in the sense that \\\"they definitely had feelings for each other\\\".
In short, I can definitely see why soojinyeh thinks they belong here. I agree...however we can\\\'t, since it tends to piss people off. I think this discussion is enough.
Littleirishgirl, you say you\\\'re a Sess Kag shipper too right? Well think back to the fics you read. When the people we read bash someone, it\\\'s not Rin, it\\\'s Kagura. And you can\\\'t really say it\\\'s because she\\\'s a kid since writers tend to bash Shippo all the time-when it comes to shipping, they\\\'ve shown that they really don\\\'t care whether the person is a kid. I think there\\\'s a reason Kagura\\\'s the one everyone feels threatened by-if there was nothing there to feel threatened over, this kind of bashing wouldn\\\'t be happening.
@iloveoprah-this is my last and only post, no need to worry.
