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Can we \'\'please\'\' unlock this page, if only to clean up some of the brain-hemorrhagely stupid entires in the \
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Can we \\\'\\\'please\\\'\\\' unlock this page, if only to clean up some of the brain-hemorrhagely stupid entires in the \\\"Music\\\" section? Especially the ones on {{Metallica}}, {{Anthrax}} and {{Sepultura}}; the first two being blatantly [[FanMyopia niche-opiniated]], if not [[DidNotDoTheResearch factually inaccurate]] (calling \\\'\\\'Load\\\'\\\' a \\\"bad version of grunge\\\" when the music is rootsy, {{blues}}-styled HardRock that has almost nothing to do with {{Grunge}} or AlternativeRock), the third being devoid of some very important details ([[FaceOfTheBand Max Cavalera]], the founder, frontman, band leader and chief songwriter leaving the band is pretty significant, to say the least).
The RogerWaters entry is especially heinous. True, \\\'\\\'The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Radio K.A.O.S.\\\'\\\' were commercial and critical flops, but his 1992 album \\\'\\\'Amused to Death\\\'\\\' has been wildly hailed as a CreatorComeback, and (along with \\\'\\\'The Final Cut\\\'\\\') certainly more well received then the \\\"Dehydrated Floyd\\\" releases from Gilmour and co. (find me anyone willing to consider \\\'\\\'[[TheScrappy A Momentary Lapse of Reason]]\\\'\\\' anything more than a colossal mistake.
While we\\\'re on the topic of potential candidates, ClintEastwood\\\'s, uh, [[NeverLiveItDown \\\"performance\\\"]] at the RNC gives him a good chance of landing here, I might say. Let\\\'s see whether or not it tanks his next film.
The RogerWaters entry is especially heinous. True, \\\'\\\'The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Radio K.A.O.S.\\\'\\\' were commercial and critical flops, but his 1992 album \\\'\\\'Amused to Death\\\'\\\' has been wildly hailed as a CreatorComeback, and (along with \\\'\\\'The Final Cut\\\'\\\') certainly more well received then the \\\"Dehydrated Floyd\\\" releases from Gilmour and co. (find me anyone willing to consider \\\'\\\'[[TheScrappy A Momentary Lapse of Reason]]\\\'\\\' anything more than a colossal mistake.
While we\\\'re on the topic of potential candidates, ClintEastwood\\\'s, uh, [[NeverLiveItDown \\\"performance\\\"]] at the RNC gives him a good chance of landing here, I might say. Let\\\'s see whether or not it tanks his next film.
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Can we \'\'please\'\' unlock this page, if only to clean up some of the brain-hemorrhagely stupid entires in the \
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Can we \\\'\\\'please\\\'\\\' unlock this page, if only to clean up some of the brain-hemorrhagely stupid entires in the \\\"Music\\\" section? Especially the ones on {{Metallica}}, {{Anthrax}} and {{Sepultura}}; the first two being blatantly niche-opiniated, if not [[DidNotDoTheResearch factually inaccurate]] (calling \\\'\\\'Load\\\'\\\' a \\\"bad version of grunge\\\" when the music is rootsy, {{blues}}-styled HardRock that has almost nothing to do with {{Grunge}} or AlternativeRock), the third being devoid of some very important details ([[FaceOfTheBand Max Cavalera]], the founder, frontman, band leader and chief songwriter leaving the band is pretty significant, to say the least).
While we\\\'re on the topic of potential candidates, ClintEastwood\\\'s, uh, [[NeverLiveItDown \\\"performance\\\"]] at the RNC gives him a good chance of landing here, I might say.
While we\\\'re on the topic of potential candidates, ClintEastwood\\\'s, uh, [[NeverLiveItDown \\\"performance\\\"]] at the RNC gives him a good chance of landing here, I might say.
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Moving the entire Real Life folder here....
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* While they are often portrayed this way in fiction, Italian Fascists were neither ineffectual nor sympathetic. Just ask any of the people who tried to oppose Mussolini and his politics before WorldWarII. Dissidents were often beaten within an inch of their lives, force-fed castor oil, and sent into exile on deserted islands. It\'s just that that\'s kid stuff compared to the [[ThoseWackyNazis other forces of evil]] we were fighting against -- \'\'[[RedScare or alongside of]]\'\' -- during that same war.
** They just barely managed to conquer a tribal African country that had 19th century military technology. And that was the height of their military achievements.
*** That doesn\'t change the fact that they were a danger to Italian opposers of their regime. Regardless of how (un)successful they were at fighting other countries, [[HitlerAteSugar being an inspiration to Hitler]] and siding with him during the second World War hardly makes Italian Fascists sympathetic (at least, up until the point at which the Allies invaded Italy, and the Italian soldiers stood at the sidelines, watching their country being torn apart by fights that they no longer participated in; but before that, they were just ineffectual, not sympathetic).
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[[folder: Real Life ]]
* While they are often portrayed this way in fiction, Italian Fascists were neither ineffectual nor sympathetic. Just ask any of the people who tried to oppose Mussolini and his politics before WorldWarII. Dissidents were often beaten within an inch of their lives, force-fed castor oil, and sent into exile on deserted islands. It\'s just that that\'s kid stuff compared to the [[ThoseWackyNazis other forces of evil]] we were fighting against -- \'\'[[RedScare or alongside of]]\'\' -- during that same war.
** They just barely managed to conquer a tribal African country that had 19th century military technology. And that was the height of their military achievements.
*** That doesn\'t change the fact that they were a danger to Italian opposers of their regime. Regardless of how (un)successful they were at fighting other countries, [[HitlerAteSugar being an inspiration to Hitler]] and siding with him during the second World War hardly makes Italian Fascists sympathetic (at least, up until the point at which the Allies invaded Italy, and the Italian soldiers stood at the sidelines, watching their country being torn apart by fights that they no longer participated in; but before that, they were just ineffectual, not sympathetic).
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Exactly what is wrong with RealLife examples for this trope? Does it glorify sympathy for bad people in a way that it makes it too controversial?
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Moving the entire Real Life folder here....
[[folder: Real Life ]]
* While they are often portrayed this way in fiction, Italian Fascists were neither ineffectual nor sympathetic. Just ask any of the people who tried to oppose Mussolini and his politics before WorldWarII. Dissidents were often beaten within an inch of their lives, force-fed castor oil, and sent into exile on deserted islands. It\\\'s just that that\\\'s kid stuff compared to the [[ThoseWackyNazis other forces of evil]] we were fighting against -- \\\'\\\'[[RedScare or alongside of]]\\\'\\\' -- during that same war.
** They just barely managed to conquer a tribal African country that had 19th century military technology. And that was the height of their military achievements.
*** That doesn\\\'t change the fact that they were a danger to Italian opposers of their regime. Regardless of how (un)successful they were at fighting other countries, [[HitlerAteSugar being an inspiration to Hitler]] and siding with him during the second World War hardly makes Italian Fascists sympathetic (at least, up until the point at which the Allies invaded Italy, and the Italian soldiers stood at the sidelines, watching their country being torn apart by fights that they no longer participated in; but before that, they were just ineffectual, not sympathetic).
*** \\\"\\\'\\\'Good soldiers, bad officers\\\'\\\'\\\" is how Rommel described the Italians, and as for how ineffectual they were, one of his other quotes was \\\"\\\'\\\'The German soldier has impressed the world, however the Italian Bersagliere soldier has impressed the German soldier\\\'\\\'\\\".
**** Of course, seeing that an army\\\'s capacity to organize, plan, and cause its various elements to cooperate efficiently is more important than individual competance, it\\\'s still not the makings of a very good military, as Italy\\\'s entire post Roman military history shows.
* The bank robber who was caught when he got \\\"trapped in\\\" the bank he was robbing...when he didn\\\'t try to pull the door open, and only pushed it. He was in there for about five minutes before the cops showed up.
* [[http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/hostage-post-office-gunman-was-angry-at-government-146816.html Warren Taylor]] seems to have found a way to combine this trope with TerroristsWithoutACause. He stormed into a small-town post office, placed what appeared to be a bomb on the counter, and took three people hostage. At that point, he didn\\\'t seem to know quite what to do. Over the following eight hours, he issued two demands: a pizza to share with his hostages, and a pack of cigarettes for a hostage who smoked. In the end, he made his way outside and surrendered peacefully, eventually apologizing during his arraignment for getting everybody out on Christmas.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf Muhammad Saeed al-Sahaf]], better known as Baghdad Bob and Comical Ali (the latter being a reference to \\\"Chemical Ali\\\", the nickname of the much more effectively evil former Iraqi Defence Minister Ali Hassan al-Majid) gained fame and memetic status during the second Iraq War on account of his hilarious BlatantLies about American forces, which were generally contradicted by things visible directly behind him.
** So notorious was he that when [[http://www.holtorf.com/ray/iraqi_information_minister.htm a comic]] showed an American soldier walking into the frame behind him and making bunny ears, this troper\\\'s entire US Navy shop had to see if he\\\'d actually been taken off the air by the same soldiers that he claimed were not in the city.
* Kim Jong Il in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdug6yHJB40 this video]].
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj4GSVQBLdk This]] robber. Prepare to laugh.
* How about this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMQI2CHpFIs
* Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oUF-dXP52s&feature=fvwrel
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Sorry about the accidental double post of my comments.
[[folder: Real Life ]]
* While they are often portrayed this way in fiction, Italian Fascists were neither ineffectual nor sympathetic. Just ask any of the people who tried to oppose Mussolini and his politics before WorldWarII. Dissidents were often beaten within an inch of their lives, force-fed castor oil, and sent into exile on deserted islands. It\\\'s just that that\\\'s kid stuff compared to the [[ThoseWackyNazis other forces of evil]] we were fighting against -- \\\'\\\'[[RedScare or alongside of]]\\\'\\\' -- during that same war.
** They just barely managed to conquer a tribal African country that had 19th century military technology. And that was the height of their military achievements.
*** That doesn\\\'t change the fact that they were a danger to Italian opposers of their regime. Regardless of how (un)successful they were at fighting other countries, [[HitlerAteSugar being an inspiration to Hitler]] and siding with him during the second World War hardly makes Italian Fascists sympathetic (at least, up until the point at which the Allies invaded Italy, and the Italian soldiers stood at the sidelines, watching their country being torn apart by fights that they no longer participated in; but before that, they were just ineffectual, not sympathetic).
*** \\\"\\\'\\\'Good soldiers, bad officers\\\'\\\'\\\" is how Rommel described the Italians, and as for how ineffectual they were, one of his other quotes was \\\"\\\'\\\'The German soldier has impressed the world, however the Italian Bersagliere soldier has impressed the German soldier\\\'\\\'\\\".
**** Of course, seeing that an army\\\'s capacity to organize, plan, and cause its various elements to cooperate efficiently is more important than individual competance, it\\\'s still not the makings of a very good military, as Italy\\\'s entire post Roman military history shows.
* The bank robber who was caught when he got \\\"trapped in\\\" the bank he was robbing...when he didn\\\'t try to pull the door open, and only pushed it. He was in there for about five minutes before the cops showed up.
* [[http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/hostage-post-office-gunman-was-angry-at-government-146816.html Warren Taylor]] seems to have found a way to combine this trope with TerroristsWithoutACause. He stormed into a small-town post office, placed what appeared to be a bomb on the counter, and took three people hostage. At that point, he didn\\\'t seem to know quite what to do. Over the following eight hours, he issued two demands: a pizza to share with his hostages, and a pack of cigarettes for a hostage who smoked. In the end, he made his way outside and surrendered peacefully, eventually apologizing during his arraignment for getting everybody out on Christmas.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf Muhammad Saeed al-Sahaf]], better known as Baghdad Bob and Comical Ali (the latter being a reference to \\\"Chemical Ali\\\", the nickname of the much more effectively evil former Iraqi Defence Minister Ali Hassan al-Majid) gained fame and memetic status during the second Iraq War on account of his hilarious BlatantLies about American forces, which were generally contradicted by things visible directly behind him.
** So notorious was he that when [[http://www.holtorf.com/ray/iraqi_information_minister.htm a comic]] showed an American soldier walking into the frame behind him and making bunny ears, this troper\\\'s entire US Navy shop had to see if he\\\'d actually been taken off the air by the same soldiers that he claimed were not in the city.
* Kim Jong Il in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdug6yHJB40 this video]].
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj4GSVQBLdk This]] robber. Prepare to laugh.
* How about this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMQI2CHpFIs
* Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oUF-dXP52s&feature=fvwrel
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Sorry about the accidental double post of my comments.
