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Oedipus impusively kills another traveller on the road. Turns out that it was his father, and that the widowed queen he married was his mother. Oops?
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Oedipus impusively kills another traveller on the road. Turns out that it was his father, and that the widowed queen he married was his mother. Oops?
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* Probably the ur-example: \'\'TheIliad\'\' (Paris stealing Helen, Achilles and Agamemnon fighting over Briseis, etc.).
**\'\'TheOdyssey\'\' has some examples, too (like most of the sailors\' deaths), but it isn\'t really a tragedy.
**And of course \'\'TheAeneid\'\', which is sort of a Roman crossover fanfiction to the other two, has its fair share as well.)
*Extremely common in Greek mythology in general, though, so who knows what the actual ur example is..
**Pandora\'s Box
**Persephone\'s six pomegranate seeds
**Hera sets it off in the Trials of Hercules
**Arachne and her poorly-thought-through tapestry subject
**Orpheus getting too excited and looking back before his beloved made it out the underworld
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Related to GreenEyedMonster
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This is the usual trigger for HulksCooldownHugCorollary. Some idiot with a gun or bone to pick will anger the calming monster or somehow reignite a dangerous situation.
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The ExampleAsThesis description is a bit too confusing.
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Zakath\'s backstory in \'\'The Malloreon\'\' involves him having his fiancee executed and discovering afterwards that she was not part of the conspiration.
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* Following the RomeoAndJuliet example, in WestSideStory Tony tries to stop a fight, but Bernardo kills Tony\'s best friend Riff, and an enraged Tony kills Bernardo (his girlfriend\'s brother).
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WhatAnIdiot should probably be mentioned, it\'s a common audience reaction.
\'\'HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix\'\'. Harry had been told many times not to trust his visions, and then completely forgets that Snape had means to contact Sirius. If he had gone to Snape before attempting to contact Sirius himself (and getting caught by Umbridge in the process), the whole misunderstanding/deception that led to [[spoiler: Sirius\' death]] probably would have been prevented.
How [[spoiler: Sonny]] dies in \'\'TheGodfather\'\'. He has a reputation for being HotBlooded, so his enemies knew that he would react badly to [[spoiler: his sister getting beaten by her husband]] and used that knowledge to lure him into a trap.
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The character will become the SwissMessenger. There are a few examples on that page.
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Disagree with Oedipus example. Sure, he killed his father for cutting him off in traffic, but then he approached Thebes, PuzzleBoss \'ed the Sphinx, and was awarded with marrying the queen her husband ...having recently died travelling. The famous play begins when the oracles attribute the plague to some unnamed pollution which it is revealed is himself. Half of the Oedipus Complex is impulsive.
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^ If he \'\'hadn\'t\'\' killed his father, his mother wouldn\'t have been widowed and there would be no tragedy. So it fits.
Adding another example: \'\'CarlitosWay\'\' might count. Carlito himself is pretty levelheaded, but his lawyer friend Kleinfeld dooms the entire cast by impulsively killing his [[TheMafia mob]] [[TheDon boss]] client during a jailbreak.
Also \'\'{{Scarface}}\'\'. Tony\'s [[ThePesci aggressiveness]] certainly didn\'t win him any allies, but you know he\'s doomed when he kills Sosa\'s henchman. It was for a [[PetTheDog good]] [[NobleDemon reason]], but if he\'d thought out his actions he could have avoided the situation without antagonizing the only person who could have fixed the mess he was in. Then later, instead of trying to fix the situation, he kills his best friend in a fit of rage, driving his own sister to try to kill him.
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Related to the Persephone example, Ophelia (that was her name, right?) in \'\'PansLabyrinth\'\'.
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Yeah, her name was Ophelia
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@melon^ I\'d say Oedipus had plenty of opportunity \'\'not\'\' to marry his mother.
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@meloncollie: The latter part of the Scarface example was mainly motivated by a combo of his rather messed up protectiveness toward his sister and his increasing instability due to breaking a rather key rule of the drug trade in the movie (that rule being \
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* Probably the ur-example: \'\'TheIliad\'\' (Paris stealing Helen, Achilles and Agamemnon fighting over Briseis, etc.).
**\'\'TheOdyssey\'\' has some examples, too (like most of the sailors\' deaths), but it isn\'t really a tragedy.
**And of course \'\'TheAeneid\'\', which is sort of a Roman crossover fanfiction to the other two, has its fair share as well.)
*Extremely common in Greek mythology in general, though, so who knows what the actual ur example is..
**Pandora\'s Box
**Persephone\'s six pomegranate seeds
**Hera sets it off in the Trials of Hercules
**Arachne and her poorly-thought-through tapestry subject
**Orpheus getting too excited and looking back before his beloved made it out the underworld
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Related to GreenEyedMonster
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This is the usual trigger for HulksCooldownHugCorollary. Some idiot with a gun or bone to pick will anger the calming monster or somehow reignite a dangerous situation.
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Bump
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Bump
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The ExampleAsThesis description is a bit too confusing.
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Zakath\'s backstory in \'\'The Malloreon\'\' involves him having his fiancee executed and discovering afterwards that she was not part of the conspiration.
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* Following the RomeoAndJuliet example, in WestSideStory Tony tries to stop a fight, but Bernardo kills Tony\'s best friend Riff, and an enraged Tony kills Bernardo (his girlfriend\'s brother).
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WhatAnIdiot should probably be mentioned, it\'s a common audience reaction.
\'\'HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix\'\'. Harry had been told many times not to trust his visions, and then completely forgets that Snape had means to contact Sirius. If he had gone to Snape before attempting to contact Sirius himself (and getting caught by Umbridge in the process), the whole misunderstanding/deception that led to [[spoiler: Sirius\' death]] probably would have been prevented.
How [[spoiler: Sonny]] dies in \'\'TheGodfather\'\'. He has a reputation for being HotBlooded, so his enemies knew that he would react badly to [[spoiler: his sister getting beaten by her husband]] and used that knowledge to lure him into a trap.
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The character will become the SwissMessenger. There are a few examples on that page.
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Disagree with Oedipus example. Sure, he killed his father for cutting him off in traffic, but then he approached Thebes, PuzzleBoss \'ed the Sphinx, and was awarded with marrying the queen her husband ...having recently died travelling. The famous play begins when the oracles attribute the plague to some unnamed pollution which it is revealed is himself. Half of the Oedipus Complex is impulsive.
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^ If he \'\'hadn\'t\'\' killed his father, his mother wouldn\'t have been widowed and there would be no tragedy. So it fits.
Adding another example: \'\'CarlitosWay\'\' might count. Carlito himself is pretty levelheaded, but his lawyer friend Kleinfeld dooms the entire cast by impulsively killing his [[TheMafia mob]] [[TheDon boss]] client during a jailbreak.
Also \'\'{{Scarface}}\'\'. Tony\'s [[ThePesci aggressiveness]] certainly didn\'t win him any allies, but you know he\'s doomed when he kills Sosa\'s henchman. It was for a [[PetTheDog good]] [[NobleDemon reason]], but if he\'d thought out his actions he could have avoided the situation without antagonizing the only person who could have fixed the mess he was in. Then later, instead of trying to fix the situation, he kills his best friend in a fit of rage, driving his own sister to try to kill him.
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Related to the Persephone example, Ophelia (that was her name, right?) in \'\'PansLabyrinth\'\'.
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Yeah, her name was Ophelia
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@melon^ I\'d say Oedipus had plenty of opportunity \'\'not\'\' to marry his mother.
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@meloncollie: The latter part of the Scarface example was mainly motivated by a combo of his rather messed up protectiveness toward his sister and his increasing instability due to breaking a rather key rule of the drug trade in the movie (that rule being \
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Oedipus impusively kills another traveller on the road. Turns out that it was his father, and that the widowed queen he married was his mother. Oops?
