Discussion History YMMV / GuiltyCrown

I am not familiar with Genji, and can\\\'t evalutate that example due to the lack of description/explanation. But I don\\\'t think Odysseus counts. He doesn\\\'t have the bitter cynicism or traumatic past or angst I\\\'d expect, and his amorality is probably more the result of ValuesDissonance than author intent. He loved his wife, he killed his enemies, he was wily and cunning and strong and dangerous in battle, and he accomplished impressive deeds immortalized in song and myth. That seems to be what Archaic Greeks honestly liked in their heroes. And instead of disregarding society\\\'s expectations and ethics, he enforced them: don\\\'t steal a man\\\'s wife, don\\\'t violate the rules of hospitality.

I am not familiar with Genji, and can\\\'t evalutate that example due to the lack of description/explanation. But I don\\\'t think Odysseus counts. He doesn\\\'t have the bitter cynicism or traumatic past or angst I\\\'d expect, and his amorality is probably more the result of ValuesDissonance than author intent. He loved his wife, he killed his enemies, he was wily and cunning and strong and dangerous in battle, and he accomplished impressive deeds immortalized in song and myth. That seems to be what Archaic Greeks honestly liked in their heroes. And instead of disregarding society\\\'s expectations, he violently enforced them: don\\\'t steal a man\\\'s wife, don\\\'t violate the rules of hospitality.

I am not familiar with Genji, and can\\\'t evalutate that example due to the lack of description/explanation. But I don\\\'t think Odysseus counts. He doesn\\\'t have the bitter cynicism or traumatic past or angst I\\\'d expect, and his amorality is probably more the result of ValuesDissonance than author intent. He loved his wife, he killed his enemies, he was wily and cunning and strong and dangerous in battle, and he accomplished impressive deeds immortalized in song and myth. That seems to be what Archaic Greeks honestly liked in their heroes.

I am not familiar with Genji, and can\\\'t evalutate that examples due to the lack of description/explanation. But I don\\\'t think Odysseus counts. He doesn\\\'t have the bitter cynicism or traumatic past or angst I\\\'d expect, and his amorality is probably more the result of ValuesDissonance than author intent. He loved his wife, he killed his enemies, he was wily and cunning and strong and dangerous in battle, and he accomplished impressive deeds immortalized in song and myth. That seems to be what Archaic Greeks honestly liked in their heroes.

I can\\\'t evalutate these examples due to the lack of description/explanation, and I am not familiar with Genji, but I don\\\'t think Odysseus counts. He doesn\\\'t have the bitter cynicism or traumatic past or angst I\\\'d expect, and his amorality is probably more the result of ValuesDissonance than author intent. He loved his wife, he killed his enemies, he was wily and cunning and strong and dangerous in battle, and he accomplished impressive deeds immortalized in song and myth. That seems to be what Archaic Greeks honestly liked in their heroes.

I removed these examples because they\\\'re suspicious to me: they\\\'re cited to literary critics and historians, yet this page explicitly does \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' use the same definition of anti-hero as what\\\'s standard in literary criticism.