Follow TV Tropes

Following

Discussion History Main / MortonsFork

Go To

[004] KingZeal Current Version
Changed line(s) 1 from:
n
Tron: I was going by the rules of the character page. Since this essentially compiling a list of character attributes, I figured it still applied here. And the fact of the matter is, we \'\'can\'t\'\' include game mechanics in our consideration here, because most of it is inconsistent. (Hell, even the reporters in the Daily Bugle stage can double jump). Super jumping, blocking (which creates a ForceField), double-jumping or other things of that nature don\'t count any more than WalkItOff would make the protagonist of any \'\'ModernWarfare\'\' game a Type 2.
to:
Tron: I was going by the rules of the character page. Since this essentially compiling a list of character attributes, I figured it still applied here. And the fact of the matter is, we \\\'\\\'can\\\'t\\\'\\\' include game mechanics in our consideration here, because most of it is inconsistent. (Hell, even the reporters in the Daily Bugle stage can double jump). Super jumping, blocking (which creates a ForceField), double-jumping or other things of that nature don\\\'t count any more than WalkItOff would make the protagonist of any \\\'\\\'ModernWarfare\\\'\\\' game a Type 2. I also don\\\'t agree that matching strength with Super Skrull was irrelevant; the cutscenes don\\\'t follow the same rules as the game mechanics (for example, Magneto owns X-23, MODOK and Arthur in about two seconds).
Changed line(s) 3 from:
n
Hsien-ko: The way you say that makes it seem as though people are \'\'opposed\'\' to the idea, which they are not. As for your other questions: Magneto\'s powers are ill-defined enough to be considered a Type 3. \
to:
Hsien-ko: The way you say that makes it seem as though people are \\\'\\\'opposed\\\'\\\' to the idea, which they are not. As for your other questions: Magneto\\\'s powers are ill-defined enough to be considered a Type 3. \\\"Controls magnetism\\\" is no more a good description of superpowers than \\\"controls the weather\\\" or \\\"was born a kryptonian\\\" or \\\"is a robot\\\". It tells you where their powers \\\'\\\'come from\\\'\\\', but not what they do. The reason why Magneto\\\'s superpowers are so susceptible to PowerCreepPowerSeep is because \\\"controls magnetism\\\" is no less vague than \\\"controls matter\\\", especially since electromagnetism is one of the \\\'\\\'four fundamental components\\\'\\\' of \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' matter. The exact same thing is true of Molecule Man.

Sentinel: No. The list explicitly says that defeating someone who is in a higher tier than you does not make you higher than them. However, I flat out agree that Morrigan has no business being listed as a Type 4 simply because that isn\\\'t a trait of her character within \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' game (Morrigan of the \\\'\\\'Darkstalkers\\\'\\\' verse is not ALWAYS a Type 4, either--some of her power there is sealed at times). Galactus is still a Type 4 because we \\\'\\\'see\\\'\\\' him manipulating matter. Dormammu is still a Type 4 because we see him manipulating reality in his Level 3 super. Shuma-Gorath and Phoenix count, but because of InformedAbility (most of Phoenix\\\'s quotes are her bragging about being a CosmicBeing, for example).

MODOK: I would say he\\\'s Level 3. Energy blasts, telekinesis, force-field, flight, concealed weaponry. Again, if we\\\'re allowing technology to define Iron Man, it applies to anyone using tech.

Trish: I agree.
Changed line(s) 1 from:
n
Tron: I was going by the rules of the character page. Since this essentially compiling a list of character attributes, I figured it still applied here.
to:
Tron: I was going by the rules of the character page. Since this essentially compiling a list of character attributes, I figured it still applied here. And the fact of the matter is, we \\\'\\\'can\\\'t\\\'\\\' include game mechanics in our consideration here, because most of it is inconsistent. (Hell, even the reporters in the Daily Bugle stage can double jump). Super jumping, blocking (which creates a ForceField), double-jumping or other things of that nature don\\\'t count any more than WalkItOff would make the protagonist of any \\\'\\\'ModernWarfare\\\'\\\' game a Type 2.
Changed line(s) 3 from:
n
Hsien-ko: The way you say that makes it seem as though people are \'\'opposed\'\' to the idea, which they are not. As for your other questions: Magneto\'s powers are ill-defined enough to be considered a Type 3. \
to:
Hsien-ko: The way you say that makes it seem as though people are \\\'\\\'opposed\\\'\\\' to the idea, which they are not. As for your other questions: Magneto\\\'s powers are ill-defined enough to be considered a Type 3. \\\"Controls magnetism\\\" is no more a good description of superpowers than \\\"controls the weather\\\" or \\\"was born a kryptonian\\\" or \\\"is a robot\\\". It tells you where their powers \\\'\\\'come from\\\'\\\', but not what they do. The reason why Magneto\\\'s superpowers are so susceptible to PowerCreepPowerSeep is because \\\"controls magnetism\\\" is no less vague than \\\"controls matter\\\", especially since electromagnetism is one of the \\\'\\\'four fundamental components\\\'\\\' of \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' matter. The exact same thing is true of Molecule Man.

Sentinel: No. The list explicitly says that defeating someone who is in a higher tier than you does not make you higher than them. However, I flat out agree that Morrigan has no business being listed as a Type 4 simply because that isn\\\'t a trait of her character within \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' game (Morrigan of the \\\'\\\'Darkstalkers\\\'\\\' verse is not ALWAYS a Type 4, either--some of her power there is sealed at times). Galactus is still a Type 4 because we \\\'\\\'see\\\'\\\' him manipulating matter. Dormammu is still a Type 4 because we see him manipulating reality in his Level 3 super. Shuma-Gorath and Phoenix count, but because of InformedAbility (most of Phoenix\\\'s quotes are her bragging about being a CosmicBeing, for example).

MODOK: I would say he\\\'s Level 3. Energy blasts, telekinesis, force-field, flight, concealed weaponry. Again, if we\\\'re allowing technology to define Iron Man, it applies to anyone using tech.

Trish: I agree.
Changed line(s) 1 from:
n
Tron: I was going by the rules of the character page.
to:
Tron: I was going by the rules of the character page. Since this essentially compiling a list of character attributes, I figured it still applied here.
Changed line(s) 3 from:
n
Hsien-ko: The way you say that makes it seem as though people are \'\'opposed\'\' to the idea, which they are not. As for your other questions: Magneto\'s powers are ill-defined enough to be considered a Type 3. \
to:
Hsien-ko: The way you say that makes it seem as though people are \\\'\\\'opposed\\\'\\\' to the idea, which they are not. As for your other questions: Magneto\\\'s powers are ill-defined enough to be considered a Type 3. \\\"Controls magnetism\\\" is no more a good description of superpowers than \\\"controls the weather\\\" or \\\"was born a kryptonian\\\" or \\\"is a robot\\\". It tells you where their powers \\\'\\\'come from\\\'\\\', but not what they do. The reason why Magneto\\\'s superpowers are so susceptible to PowerCreepPowerSeep is because \\\"controls magnetism\\\" is no less vague than \\\"controls matter\\\", especially since electromagnetism is one of the \\\'\\\'four fundamental components\\\'\\\' of \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' matter. The exact same thing is true of Molecule Man.

Sentinel: No. The list explicitly says that defeating someone who is in a higher tier than you does not make you higher than them. However, I flat out agree that Morrigan has no business being listed as a Type 4 simply because that isn\\\'t a trait of her character within \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' game (Morrigan of the \\\'\\\'Darkstalkers\\\'\\\' verse is not ALWAYS a Type 4, either--some of her power there is sealed at times). Galactus is still a Type 4 because we \\\'\\\'see\\\'\\\' him manipulating matter. Dormammu is still a Type 4 because we see him manipulating reality in his Level 3 super. Shuma-Gorath and Phoenix count, but because of InformedAbility (most of Phoenix\\\'s quotes are her bragging about being a CosmicBeing, for example).

MODOK: I would say he\\\'s Level 3. Energy blasts, telekinesis, force-field, flight, concealed weaponry. Again, if we\\\'re allowing technology to define Iron Man, it applies to anyone using tech.

Trish: I agree.
Changed line(s) 3 from:
n
Hsien-ko: The way you say that makes it seem as though people are \'\'opposed\'\' to the idea, which they are not. As for your other questions: Magneto\'s powers are ill-defined enough to be considered a Type 3. \
to:
Hsien-ko: The way you say that makes it seem as though people are \\\'\\\'opposed\\\'\\\' to the idea, which they are not. As for your other questions: Magneto\\\'s powers are ill-defined enough to be considered a Type 3. \\\"Controls magnetism\\\" is no more a good description of superpowers than \\\"controls the weather\\\" or \\\"was born a kryptonian\\\" or \\\"is a robot\\\". It tells you where their powers \\\'\\\'come from\\\'\\\', but not what they do. The reason why Magneto\\\'s superpowers are so susceptible to PowerCreepPowerSeep is because \\\"controls magnetism\\\" is no less vague than \\\"controls matter\\\", especially since electromagnetism is one of the \\\'\\\'four fundamental components\\\'\\\' of \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' matter. The exact same thing is true of Molecule Man.

Sentinel: No. The list explicitly says that defeating someone who is in a higher tier than you does not make you higher than them. However, I flat out agree that Morrigan has no business being listed as a Type 4 simply because that isn\\\'t a trait of her character within \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' game (Morrigan of the \\\'\\\'Darkstalkers\\\'\\\' verse is not ALWAYS a Type 4, either--some of her power there is sealed at times). Galactus is still a Type 4 because we \\\'\\\'see\\\'\\\' him manipulating matter. Dormammu is still a Type 4 because we see him manipulating reality in his Level 3 super. Shuma-Gorath and Phoenix count, but because of InformedAbility (most of Phoenix\\\'s quotes are her bragging about being a CosmicBeing, for example).

MODOK: I would say he\\\'s Level 3. Energy blasts, telekinesis, force-field, flight, concealed weaponry. Again, if we\\\'re allowing technology to define Iron Man, it applies to anyone using tech.

Trish: I agree.
Top