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What I\'m saying is that it\'s totally blowing things out of proportion to say that it\'s \
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What I\\\'m saying is that it\\\'s totally blowing things out of proportion to say that it\\\'s \\\"proof\\\" that Jim Butcher is racist because of a pair of words he uses (one of which, as was explained, is \\\'\\\'explicitly noted\\\'\\\' as only being acceptable as NWordPrivileges for a select few). Saying a work or author is racist just because of those two words--and completely ignoring their context, or the actual treatment of the characters of those races--is, frankly, short sighted and ignorant in itself.
As for the Hyde Park thing, I don\\\'t recall the circumstances in which the park\\\'s mentioned in the books, so how is it mentioned? And what\\\'s the PoC being referred to?[[hottip:(Nevermind):Realized it was \\\"person of color\\\"; sorry, the way it was phrased I thought it meant \\\"fans of PoC\\\" and that PoC was another IP]] Does Harry go on about how the blacks and hispanics in the area make him uncomfortable and are subhuman? Or does he just mention he doesn\\\'t like the park, and someone jumped to the conclusion that \\\'\\\'obviously\\\'\\\' this is because of the black and latino population?
Just an \\\'\\\'accusation\\\'\\\' of racism means nothing. Hell, I was once called a racist when I specifically said it would be \\\'\\\'wrong\\\'\\\' to stereotype black people as loving fried chicken and watermelon--the \\\"logic\\\" being that because I was even \\\'\\\'aware\\\'\\\' of the stereotype, I was a racist but I just didn\\\'t realize it.
So, to answer the original question, unless the books are negatively portraying people of those races in such a way that makes it clear that they\\\'re bad because they\\\'re that race, or all people of that race are bad, no, then the books aren\\\'t racist.
Edit: To add to that, after a quick look around, half the people accusing the books of being racist use the argument that \\\"there\\\'s only white people, and anyone else is a monster lurking in the dark.\\\"
Which ignores that Dresden\\\'s true love (Susan \\\'\\\'Rodriguez\\\'\\\') and best Warden friend (Carlos \\\'\\\'Ramirez\\\'\\\') are both good, and Hispanic; the last surviving Knight of the Cross (which is as capital-G Good as you get) is a black guy, while the one who sacrificed his life to save Dresden was Japanese; several good cops, including the head of SI after Murphy\\\'s dismissal, are black; three of the seven-member High Council are minorities (Martha Liberty\\\'s black, Ancient Mai is Chinese, Listens-To-Wind is Native American), and all portrayed as good; and those are just the ones off the top of my head.
As for the Hyde Park thing, I don\\\'t recall the circumstances in which the park\\\'s mentioned in the books, so how is it mentioned? And what\\\'s the PoC being referred to?[[hottip:(Nevermind):Realized it was \\\"person of color\\\"; sorry, the way it was phrased I thought it meant \\\"fans of PoC\\\" and that PoC was another IP]] Does Harry go on about how the blacks and hispanics in the area make him uncomfortable and are subhuman? Or does he just mention he doesn\\\'t like the park, and someone jumped to the conclusion that \\\'\\\'obviously\\\'\\\' this is because of the black and latino population?
Just an \\\'\\\'accusation\\\'\\\' of racism means nothing. Hell, I was once called a racist when I specifically said it would be \\\'\\\'wrong\\\'\\\' to stereotype black people as loving fried chicken and watermelon--the \\\"logic\\\" being that because I was even \\\'\\\'aware\\\'\\\' of the stereotype, I was a racist but I just didn\\\'t realize it.
So, to answer the original question, unless the books are negatively portraying people of those races in such a way that makes it clear that they\\\'re bad because they\\\'re that race, or all people of that race are bad, no, then the books aren\\\'t racist.
Edit: To add to that, after a quick look around, half the people accusing the books of being racist use the argument that \\\"there\\\'s only white people, and anyone else is a monster lurking in the dark.\\\"
Which ignores that Dresden\\\'s true love (Susan \\\'\\\'Rodriguez\\\'\\\') and best Warden friend (Carlos \\\'\\\'Ramirez\\\'\\\') are both good, and Hispanic; the last surviving Knight of the Cross (which is as capital-G Good as you get) is a black guy, while the one who sacrificed his life to save Dresden was Japanese; several good cops, including the head of SI after Murphy\\\'s dismissal, are black; three of the seven-member High Council are minorities (Martha Liberty\\\'s black, Ancient Mai is Chinese, Listens-To-Wind is Native American), and all portrayed as good; and those are just the ones off the top of my head.
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What I\'m saying is that it\'s totally blowing things out of proportion to say that it\'s \
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What I\\\'m saying is that it\\\'s totally blowing things out of proportion to say that it\\\'s \\\"proof\\\" that Jim Butcher is racist because of a pair of words he uses (one of which, as was explained, is \\\'\\\'explicitly noted\\\'\\\' as only being acceptable as NWordPrivileges for a select few). Saying a work or author is racist just because of those two words--and completely ignoring their context, or the actual treatment of the characters of those races--is, frankly, short sighted and ignorant in itself.
As for the Hyde Park thing, I don\\\'t recall the circumstances in which the park\\\'s mentioned in the books, so how is it mentioned? And what\\\'s the PoC being referred to? Does Harry go on about how the blacks and hispanics in the area make him uncomfortable and are subhuman? Or does he just mention he doesn\\\'t like the park, and someone jumped to the conclusion that \\\'\\\'obviously\\\'\\\' this is because of the black and latino population?
Just an \\\'\\\'accusation\\\'\\\' of racism means nothing. Hell, I was once called a racist when I specifically said it would be \\\'\\\'wrong\\\'\\\' to stereotype black people as loving fried chicken and watermelon--the \\\"logic\\\" being that because I was even \\\'\\\'aware\\\'\\\' of the stereotype, I was a racist but I just didn\\\'t realize it.
So, to answer the original question, unless the books are negatively portraying people of those races in such a way that makes it clear that they\\\'re bad because they\\\'re that race, or all people of that race are bad, no, then the books aren\\\'t racist.
Edit: To add to that, after a quick look around, half the people accusing the books of being racist use the argument that \\\"there\\\'s only white people, and anyone else is a monster lurking in the dark.\\\"
Which ignores that Dresden\\\'s true love (Susan \\\'\\\'Rodriguez\\\'\\\') and best Warden friend (Carlos \\\'\\\'Ramirez\\\'\\\') are both good, and Hispanic; the last surviving Knight of the Cross (which is as capital-G Good as you get) is a black guy, while the one who sacrificed his life to save Dresden was Japanese; several good cops, including the head of SI after Murphy\\\'s dismissal, are black; three of the seven-member High Council are minorities (Martha Liberty\\\'s black, Ancient Mai is Chinese, Listens-To-Wind is Native American), and all portrayed as good; and those are just the ones off the top of my head.
As for the Hyde Park thing, I don\\\'t recall the circumstances in which the park\\\'s mentioned in the books, so how is it mentioned? And what\\\'s the PoC being referred to? Does Harry go on about how the blacks and hispanics in the area make him uncomfortable and are subhuman? Or does he just mention he doesn\\\'t like the park, and someone jumped to the conclusion that \\\'\\\'obviously\\\'\\\' this is because of the black and latino population?
Just an \\\'\\\'accusation\\\'\\\' of racism means nothing. Hell, I was once called a racist when I specifically said it would be \\\'\\\'wrong\\\'\\\' to stereotype black people as loving fried chicken and watermelon--the \\\"logic\\\" being that because I was even \\\'\\\'aware\\\'\\\' of the stereotype, I was a racist but I just didn\\\'t realize it.
So, to answer the original question, unless the books are negatively portraying people of those races in such a way that makes it clear that they\\\'re bad because they\\\'re that race, or all people of that race are bad, no, then the books aren\\\'t racist.
Edit: To add to that, after a quick look around, half the people accusing the books of being racist use the argument that \\\"there\\\'s only white people, and anyone else is a monster lurking in the dark.\\\"
Which ignores that Dresden\\\'s true love (Susan \\\'\\\'Rodriguez\\\'\\\') and best Warden friend (Carlos \\\'\\\'Ramirez\\\'\\\') are both good, and Hispanic; the last surviving Knight of the Cross (which is as capital-G Good as you get) is a black guy, while the one who sacrificed his life to save Dresden was Japanese; several good cops, including the head of SI after Murphy\\\'s dismissal, are black; three of the seven-member High Council are minorities (Martha Liberty\\\'s black, Ancient Mai is Chinese, Listens-To-Wind is Native American), and all portrayed as good; and those are just the ones off the top of my head.
