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The DesignatedHero doesn\\\'t quite need to be \\\"as bad as the villain of the story\\\", since that\\\'s just the extreme version. All they need to be doing is something not-heroic no matter which way it\\\'s spun. Still, you can have a true villain in the story but the hero can still be such a total un-heroic jerk you might not figure out who to root for unless the narrator were singing their praises. [[TakeThat I mean, just look at the]] SwordOfTruth [[TakeThat series.]]
DesignatedHero and AntiHero are not mutually exclusive terms, as said in the trope page. It can and will hit any brand of AntiHero.
The reason I put Dante and Lady up as such (and put up the distinction: notice I didn\\\'t say Dante from, say, the first game was a DesignatedHero) is because even an AntiHero is a hero, just one that lacks the moral limitations to do the job (saving the world). These two both lacked the limitations of the conventional Hero \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' the goal. They didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'want\\\'\\\' to save the world, they only went in for personal gain and changed sometime later. Dante admitted that did not give a shit about anything until literally 4/5ths of the game was done (which is a problem), then he turned around into what would lead into the Anti Hero Type II/Lovable Rogue that people know from \\\'\\\'1\\\'\\\'. So he actually starts off Designated and ends as an Anti.
Then again, the series makes it a point (read:drives it into our heads) that Dante is \\\'\\\'so very much\\\'\\\' like his father before him, if not in terms of power, then in personality. They also accompany this with another piece of the legend stating just how great Sparda was back in the day, how he had a heart and fought for the sake of the weak and defenseless, and while not mentioning he might be an AntiHero, it\\\'s \\\'\\\'heavily\\\'\\\' implied he\\\'s not that and is more like a straight-up hero considering his HeelFaceTurn and idealism concerning the human race.
To see Dante \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' acting that way anymore [[hottip:*:In contrast with his Type II personality from the first game, now he\\\'s listed as an AntiHero Type III, maybe IV if you lack faith in his character]] and [[{{Flanderization}} being flanderized]] into a JerkAss over the length of the series, [[ShowDontTell well...]]
None of this explanation excuses \\\'\\\'Lady\\\'\\\', however. Her line in the epilogue implies she\\\'s going to be a better person/hero, since her goal is now to eliminate evil demons, and Dante\\\'s helping her out. The fourth game has her \\\'\\\'dumping\\\'\\\' her work on her supposed \\\"friend\\\" (even the handbook has the quotations around the word, meaning she doesn\\\'t think very highly of him). That, and not taking part in \\\'\\\'any portion of the adventure which would logically be in line with the goal she stated herself doing\\\'\\\'. And yeah, all that stuff Arkham said about Lady being \\\'pure and/or innocent\\\' just like her mother before her (if that wasn\\\'t a lie or a taunt) might be discoloring my view of her character [[{{Understatement}} just slightly]].
They\\\'re AntiHero(es) by design, but I still think that they\\\'re DesignatedHero(es) by the contrast between \\\"actions\\\" and \\\"dialogue and narrative\\\", where the latter touts them as being just like [Insert example] and their actions are clearly not that.
DesignatedHero and AntiHero are not mutually exclusive terms, as said in the trope page. It can and will hit any brand of AntiHero.
The reason I put Dante and Lady up as such (and put up the distinction: notice I didn\\\'t say Dante from, say, the first game was a DesignatedHero) is because even an AntiHero is a hero, just one that lacks the moral limitations to do the job (saving the world). These two both lacked the limitations of the conventional Hero \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' the goal. They didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'want\\\'\\\' to save the world, they only went in for personal gain and changed sometime later. Dante admitted that did not give a shit about anything until literally 4/5ths of the game was done (which is a problem), then he turned around into what would lead into the Anti Hero Type II/Lovable Rogue that people know from \\\'\\\'1\\\'\\\'. So he actually starts off Designated and ends as an Anti.
Then again, the series makes it a point (read:drives it into our heads) that Dante is \\\'\\\'so very much\\\'\\\' like his father before him, if not in terms of power, then in personality. They also accompany this with another piece of the legend stating just how great Sparda was back in the day, how he had a heart and fought for the sake of the weak and defenseless, and while not mentioning he might be an AntiHero, it\\\'s \\\'\\\'heavily\\\'\\\' implied he\\\'s not that and is more like a straight-up hero considering his HeelFaceTurn and idealism concerning the human race.
To see Dante \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' acting that way anymore [[hottip:*:In contrast with his Type II personality from the first game, now he\\\'s listed as an AntiHero Type III, maybe IV if you lack faith in his character]] and [[{{Flanderization}} being flanderized]] into a JerkAss over the length of the series, [[ShowDontTell well...]]
None of this explanation excuses \\\'\\\'Lady\\\'\\\', however. Her line in the epilogue implies she\\\'s going to be a better person/hero, since her goal is now to eliminate evil demons, and Dante\\\'s helping her out. The fourth game has her \\\'\\\'dumping\\\'\\\' her work on her supposed \\\"friend\\\" (even the handbook has the quotations around the word, meaning she doesn\\\'t think very highly of him). That, and not taking part in \\\'\\\'any portion of the adventure which would logically be in line with the goal she stated herself doing\\\'\\\'. And yeah, all that stuff Arkham said about Lady being \\\'pure and/or innocent\\\' just like her mother before her (if that wasn\\\'t a lie or a taunt) might be discoloring my view of her character [[{{Understatement}} just slightly]].
They\\\'re AntiHero(es) by design, but I still think that they\\\'re DesignatedHero(es) by the contrast between \\\"actions\\\" and \\\"dialogue and narrative\\\", where the latter touts them as being just like [Insert example] and their actions are clearly not that.
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The DesignatedHero doesn\'t quite need to be \
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The DesignatedHero doesn\\\'t quite need to be \\\"as bad as the villain of the story\\\", since that\\\'s just the extreme version. All they need to be doing is something not-heroic no matter which way it\\\'s spun. Still, you can have a true villain in the story but the hero can still be such a total un-heroic jerk you might not figure out who to root for unless the narrator were singing their praises. [[TakeThat I mean, just look at the]] SwordOfTruth [[TakeThat series.]]
DesignatedHero and AntiHero are not mutually exclusive terms, as said in the trope page. It can and will hit any brand of AntiHero.
The reason I put Dante and Lady up as such (and put up the distinction: notice I didn\\\'t say Dante from, say, the first game was a DesignatedHero) is because even an AntiHero is a hero, just one that lacks the moral limitations to do the job (saving the world). These two both lacked the limitations of the conventional Hero \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' the goal. They didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'want\\\'\\\' to save the world, they only went in for personal gain and changed sometime later. Dante admitted that did not give a shit about anything until literally 4/5ths of the game was done (which is a problem), then he turned around into what would lead into the Anti Hero Type II/Lovable Rogue that people know from \\\'\\\'1\\\'\\\'. So he actually starts off Designated and ends as an Anti.
Then again, the series makes it a point (read:drives it into our heads) that Dante is \\\'\\\'so very much\\\'\\\' like his father before him, if not in terms of power, then in personality. They also accompany this with another piece of the legend stating just how great Sparda was back in the day, how he had a heart and fought for the sake of the weak and defenseless, and while not mentioning he might be an AntiHero, it\\\'s \\\'\\\'heavily\\\'\\\' implied he\\\'s not that and is more like a straight-up hero considering his HeelFaceTurn and idealism concerning the human race.
To see Dante \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' acting that way anymore [[hottip:*:In contrast with his Type II personality from the first game, now he\\\'s listed as an AntiHero Type III, maybe IV if you lack faith in his character]] and [[Flanderization being flanderized]] into a JerkAss over the length of the series, [[ShowDontTell well...]]
None of this explanation excuses \\\'\\\'Lady\\\'\\\', however. Her line in the epilogue implies she\\\'s going to be a better person/hero, since her goal is now to eliminate evil demons, and Dante\\\'s helping her out. The fourth game has her \\\'\\\'dumping\\\'\\\' her work on her supposed \\\"friend\\\" (even the handbook has the quotations around the word, meaning she doesn\\\'t think very highly of him). That, and not taking part in \\\'\\\'any portion of the adventure which would logically be in line with the goal she stated herself doing\\\'\\\'. And yeah, all that stuff Arkham said about Lady being \\\'pure and/or innocent\\\' just like her mother before her (if that wasn\\\'t a lie or a taunt) might be discoloring my view of her character [[{{Understatement}} just slightly]].
They\\\'re AntiHero(es) by design, but I still think that they\\\'re DesignatedHero(es) by the contrast between \\\"actions\\\" and \\\"dialogue and narrative\\\", where the latter touts them as being just like [Insert example] and their actions are clearly not that.
DesignatedHero and AntiHero are not mutually exclusive terms, as said in the trope page. It can and will hit any brand of AntiHero.
The reason I put Dante and Lady up as such (and put up the distinction: notice I didn\\\'t say Dante from, say, the first game was a DesignatedHero) is because even an AntiHero is a hero, just one that lacks the moral limitations to do the job (saving the world). These two both lacked the limitations of the conventional Hero \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' the goal. They didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'want\\\'\\\' to save the world, they only went in for personal gain and changed sometime later. Dante admitted that did not give a shit about anything until literally 4/5ths of the game was done (which is a problem), then he turned around into what would lead into the Anti Hero Type II/Lovable Rogue that people know from \\\'\\\'1\\\'\\\'. So he actually starts off Designated and ends as an Anti.
Then again, the series makes it a point (read:drives it into our heads) that Dante is \\\'\\\'so very much\\\'\\\' like his father before him, if not in terms of power, then in personality. They also accompany this with another piece of the legend stating just how great Sparda was back in the day, how he had a heart and fought for the sake of the weak and defenseless, and while not mentioning he might be an AntiHero, it\\\'s \\\'\\\'heavily\\\'\\\' implied he\\\'s not that and is more like a straight-up hero considering his HeelFaceTurn and idealism concerning the human race.
To see Dante \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' acting that way anymore [[hottip:*:In contrast with his Type II personality from the first game, now he\\\'s listed as an AntiHero Type III, maybe IV if you lack faith in his character]] and [[Flanderization being flanderized]] into a JerkAss over the length of the series, [[ShowDontTell well...]]
None of this explanation excuses \\\'\\\'Lady\\\'\\\', however. Her line in the epilogue implies she\\\'s going to be a better person/hero, since her goal is now to eliminate evil demons, and Dante\\\'s helping her out. The fourth game has her \\\'\\\'dumping\\\'\\\' her work on her supposed \\\"friend\\\" (even the handbook has the quotations around the word, meaning she doesn\\\'t think very highly of him). That, and not taking part in \\\'\\\'any portion of the adventure which would logically be in line with the goal she stated herself doing\\\'\\\'. And yeah, all that stuff Arkham said about Lady being \\\'pure and/or innocent\\\' just like her mother before her (if that wasn\\\'t a lie or a taunt) might be discoloring my view of her character [[{{Understatement}} just slightly]].
They\\\'re AntiHero(es) by design, but I still think that they\\\'re DesignatedHero(es) by the contrast between \\\"actions\\\" and \\\"dialogue and narrative\\\", where the latter touts them as being just like [Insert example] and their actions are clearly not that.
