Discussion History Fanfic / AnEntryWithABang

* AnthropomorphicPersonification / HumanoidAbomination / PhysicalGod / GodModeSue / VillainSue / UberMensch / NietzscheWannabe: Ajimu Najimi is a deconstruction of the tropes, and she herself admits that she is omnipresent and can turn into an idea or dream at will. She seems to be the actual \\\'\\\'idea\\\'\\\' of [[TheSociopath the]] [[FauxAffablyEvil psychopath]] more as a seductive conceptual idea (\\\"Yay! I\\\'m AboveGoodAndEvil with BlueAndOrangeMorality, WhatIsEvil, and OmniscientMoralityLicense!\\\" perspective, and so onwards), and sentient force of nihilism, than a human being. \\\"God, just how long are [Medaka and Kumagawa] going to squabble over such pointless things? They\\\'re all the same in my eyes. Nothing but a bunch of trash. [...]Happiness and sorrow... They are really all the same after all... Why hasn\\\'t everyone realized this already?\\\" Later, when she meets Zenkichi face-to-face in the real world her POV horrifies him: all people, even abnormals and minuses, are about as worthy of regard as the furniture behind them and just as disposable. She has \\\"1,2858,0519,6763,3865\\\" abnormal and minus powers! As extra {{Mindscrew}}s she also seems to be an allegory for the Internet itself as a massive hivemind, including the hundreds of millions of component people; combined with the absolutely darkest aspects of the \\\"[[CarlJung anima]]\\\" (including being a \\\"dream woman\\\" for both Zenkichi and Kumagawa at some point), and the zeitgeist itself.

Problem one. It\\\'s a paragrpah long. Not even a small paragraph. It\\\'s big enough it should be TWO paragraphs. \\\'\\\'And every single letter is marked as a spoiler.\\\'\\\' So no, clearly this isn\\\'t an appropriate entry for those two reasons right there. But lets examine it case by case:

* AnthropomorphicPersonification: {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s are \\\"physical manifestations of an abstraction\\\". It is not \\\"this character is really really powerful.\\\" If Ajimu turned out to be say, the physical expression of power (or insanity, or hatred, or what have you) on the MedakaBox world, and was \\\'\\\'\\\'specifically called that in canon\\\'\\\'\\\' it would count. As such, it doesn\\\'t. \\\'\\\'Cut.\\\'\\\'
* HumanoidAbomination: A little better, except it still doesn\\\'t count. A HumanoidAbomination is a character that \\\'\\\'looks\\\'\\\' human but in reality isn\\\'t. Now, you could try and apply this to Ajimu, but it doesn\\\'t really work -- she\\\'s human. She\\\'s just got superpowers. A lot of them. For a HumanoidAbomination to be a HumanoidAbomination they have to be in some way \\\'\\\'inhuman.\\\'\\\' It\\\'s a stretch to call her that at this point -- her motivations are all human, she has a human body, she has human hopes and dreams, they\\\'re just warped. \\\'\\\'Cut.\\\'\\\'
* PhysicalGod: Better. Much better. While she doesn\\\'t have worshippers, and she isn\\\'t set up as divine, the trope lists for PhysicalGod shows several \\\"absurdly powerful humans\\\" in the set. \\\'\\\'Keep.\\\'\\\'
* GodModeSue: I would be absolutely shocked to find GodModeSue not already on the YMMV page. Oh look, it\\\'s there. \\\'\\\'CUT.\\\'\\\'
* VillainSue: Not there. Surprising. Gets it\\\'s own entry however. \\\'\\\'Cut.\\\'\\\'
* UberMensch: (It\\\'s actually {{Ubermensch}}): \\\"Rejects society\\\'s moral code and substitutes their own.\\\" Seems fine. But it\\\'s not a YMMV entry, so it goes on the character page. \\\'\\\'Move.\\\'\\\'
* NietzscheWannabe: Definitely applies to this character, but it\\\'s not YMMV. \\\'\\\'Move.\\\'\\\'

Ok, so we have 3 tropes that don\\\'t go in YMMV, 3 that need to be cut for various reasons, and 2 that need moved to their own YMMV entries. Now lets look at that absurdly huge paragraph.

Part of the problem is that it\\\'s covreing so many tropes. It won\\\'t be after this edit, but right now, it basically starts off talking about how she\\\'s a deconstruction of the trope. Which one? There are 7 tropes there, none of which she seems to be deconstructing. Is she deconstructing... GodModeSue? IF so, how exactly? Is she really not a sue, she just works really hard and is getting very lucky? Is she deconstructing {{Ubermensch}}? That would show her newfound moral code falling apart in the cold light of day, or it turning out she\\\'s just doing it ForTheEvulz.

Not a good start.

The quote doesn\\\'t go in line, it goes under the paragraph. There\\\'s \\\'\\\'seven\\\'\\\' sentences that can go. Then there\\\'s the discussion about Zenkichi\\\'s viewing of her POV -- again, what does that have to do with any of the above tropes? \\\"She\\\'s really really arrogant.\\\" Thanks, got that? Same with her powers. \\\"She\\\'s really strong!\\\" Ok...?

But the last bit is the worst part. \\\"As extra {{Mindscrew}}s she also seems to be an allegory for the Internet itself as a massive hivemind, including the hundreds of millions of component people; combined with the absolutely darkest aspects of the \\\"[[CarlJung anima]]\\\" (including being a \\\"dream woman\\\" for both Zenkichi and Kumagawa at some point), and the zeitgeist itself]].\\\"

I know for a fact I\\\'ve cleaned up this pseudo-intellectual FanWank off this trope page before. \\\'\\\'Multiple times, in fact.\\\'\\\' What is it about this particular work and it\\\'s associated tropes pages that attracts people who enjoy incorrectly using pseudo-philisophical nonsense? Is it just one guy who keeps getting edit banned and coming back as a different name? I\\\'m starting to think so, cause every time this happens the person involved ONLY edits MedakaBox and the associated works, then when called out he vanishes, the edits stop for a few weeks, and then someone completely new shows up to do it again.

But lets tear it apart. \\\"She also appears to be allegory for the Internet itself.\\\" Please explain this. I would really like to know where this comes from in canon material. As far as I can tell it\\\'s just FanWank. Especially this discussion about \\\"hundreds of millions of component people.\\\"

\\\"She represents the internet hivemind.\\\" No, she doesn\\\'t. She\\\'s just the next level of GodModeSue / VillainSue in the series, which exists to parody the concept of GodModeSue and the ShonenFighter genre in general. Everything, \\\'\\\'\\\'everything\\\'\\\'\\\' about this last bit is 100 percent pure FanWank and doesn\\\'t belong.

* AnthropomorphicPersonification / HumanoidAbomination / PhysicalGod / GodModeSue / VillainSue / UberMensch / NietzscheWannabe: spoiler: Ajimu Najimi is a deconstruction of the tropes, and she herself admits that she is omnipresent and can turn into an idea or dream at will. She seems to be the actual \\\'\\\'idea\\\'\\\' of [[TheSociopath the]] [[FauxAffablyEvil psychopath]] more as a seductive conceptual idea (\\\"Yay! I\\\'m AboveGoodAndEvil with BlueAndOrangeMorality, WhatIsEvil, and OmniscientMoralityLicense!\\\" perspective, and so onwards), and sentient force of nihilism, than a human being. \\\"God, just how long are [Medaka and Kumagawa] going to squabble over such pointless things? They\\\'re all the same in my eyes. Nothing but a bunch of trash. [...]Happiness and sorrow... They are really all the same after all... Why hasn\\\'t everyone realized this already?\\\" Later, when she meets Zenkichi face-to-face in the real world her POV horrifies him: all people, even abnormals and minuses, are about as worthy of regard as the furniture behind them and just as disposable. She has \\\"1,2858,0519,6763,3865\\\" abnormal and minus powers! As extra {{Mindscrew}}s she also seems to be an allegory for the Internet itself as a massive hivemind, including the hundreds of millions of component people; combined with the absolutely darkest aspects of the \\\"[[CarlJung anima]]\\\" (including being a \\\"dream woman\\\" for both Zenkichi and Kumagawa at some point), and the zeitgeist itself]].

Problem one. It\\\'s a paragrpah long. Not even a small paragraph. It\\\'s big enough it should be TWO paragraphs. \\\'\\\'And every single letter is marked as a spoiler.\\\'\\\' So no, clearly this isn\\\'t an appropriate entry for those two reasons right there. But lets examine it case by case:

* AnthropomorphicPersonification: {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s are \\\"physical manifestations of an abstraction\\\". It is not \\\"this character is really really powerful.\\\" If Ajimu turned out to be say, the physical expression of power (or insanity, or hatred, or what have you) on the MedakaBox world, and was \\\'\\\'\\\'specifically called that in canon\\\'\\\'\\\' it would count. As such, it doesn\\\'t. \\\'\\\'Cut.\\\'\\\'
* HumanoidAbomination: A little better, except it still doesn\\\'t count. A HumanoidAbomination is a character that \\\'\\\'looks\\\'\\\' human but in reality isn\\\'t. Now, you could try and apply this to Ajimu, but it doesn\\\'t really work -- she\\\'s human. She\\\'s just got superpowers. A lot of them. For a HumanoidAbomination to be a HumanoidAbomination they have to be in some way \\\'\\\'inhuman.\\\'\\\' It\\\'s a stretch to call her that at this point -- her motivations are all human, she has a human body, she has human hopes and dreams, they\\\'re just warped. \\\'\\\'Cut.\\\'\\\'
* PhysicalGod: Better. Much better. While she doesn\\\'t have worshippers, and she isn\\\'t set up as divine, the trope lists for PhysicalGod shows several \\\"absurdly powerful humans\\\" in the set. \\\'\\\'Keep.\\\'\\\'
* GodModeSue: I would be absolutely shocked to find GodModeSue not already on the YMMV page. Oh look, it\\\'s there. \\\'\\\'CUT.\\\'\\\'
* VillainSue: Not there. Surprising. Gets it\\\'s own entry however. \\\'\\\'Cut.\\\'\\\'
* UberMensch: (It\\\'s actually {{Ubermensch}}): \\\"Rejects society\\\'s moral code and substitutes their own.\\\" Seems fine. But it\\\'s not a YMMV entry, so it goes on the character page. \\\'\\\'Move.\\\'\\\'
* NietzscheWannabe: Definitely applies to this character, but it\\\'s not YMMV. \\\'\\\'Move.\\\'\\\'

Ok, so we have 3 tropes that don\\\'t go in YMMV, 3 that need to be cut for various reasons, and 2 that need moved to their own YMMV entries. Now lets look at that absurdly huge paragraph.

Part of the problem is that it\\\'s covreing so many tropes. It won\\\'t be after this edit, but right now, it basically starts off talking about how she\\\'s a deconstruction of the trope. Which one? There are 7 tropes there, none of which she seems to be deconstructing. Is she deconstructing... GodModeSue? IF so, how exactly? Is she really not a sue, she just works really hard and is getting very lucky? Is she deconstructing {{Ubermensch}}? That would show her newfound moral code falling apart in the cold light of day, or it turning out she\\\'s just doing it ForTheEvulz.

Not a good start.

The quote doesn\\\'t go in line, it goes under the paragraph. There\\\'s \\\'\\\'seven\\\'\\\' sentences that can go. Then there\\\'s the discussion about Zenkichi\\\'s viewing of her POV -- again, what does that have to do with any of the above tropes? \\\"She\\\'s really really arrogant.\\\" Thanks, got that? Same with her powers. \\\"She\\\'s really strong!\\\" Ok...?

But the last bit is the worst part. \\\"As extra {{Mindscrew}}s she also seems to be an allegory for the Internet itself as a massive hivemind, including the hundreds of millions of component people; combined with the absolutely darkest aspects of the \\\"[[CarlJung anima]]\\\" (including being a \\\"dream woman\\\" for both Zenkichi and Kumagawa at some point), and the zeitgeist itself]].\\\"

I know for a fact I\\\'ve cleaned up this pseudo-intellectual FanWank off this trope page before. \\\'\\\'Multiple times, in fact.\\\'\\\' What is it about this particular work and it\\\'s associated tropes pages that attracts people who enjoy incorrectly using pseudo-philisophical nonsense? Is it just one guy who keeps getting edit banned and coming back as a different name? I\\\'m starting to think so, cause every time this happens the person involved ONLY edits MedakaBox and the associated works, then when called out he vanishes, the edits stop for a few weeks, and then someone completely new shows up to do it again.

But lets tear it apart. \\\"She also appears to be allegory for the Internet itself.\\\" Please explain this. I would really like to know where this comes from in canon material. As far as I can tell it\\\'s just FanWank. Especially this discussion about \\\"hundreds of millions of component people.\\\"

\\\"She represents the internet hivemind.\\\" No, she doesn\\\'t. She\\\'s just the next level of GodModeSue / VillainSue in the series, which exists to parody the concept of GodModeSue and the ShonenFighter genre in general. Everything, \\\'\\\'\\\'everything\\\'\\\'\\\' about this last bit is 100 percent pure FanWank and doesn\\\'t belong.

In the piece in question, I had it said that it was written by Larry Bond, who Clancy credits in the foreword of the RealLife book as an uncredited co-author.