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Symphonic Metal: It depends on how the hardness is integrated, but yeah, the Symphonic parts often decrease the hardness. I would argue that whether it does or doesn\'t depends on the kind of band: When something like Nightwish or Rhapsody of Fire has a violin-heavy song with operatic vocals, when compared with something like Firewind, which is otherwise not too dissimilar, Firewind is (arguably) noticeably heavier than the other stuff. On the other hand, when you take something like Fleshgod Apocalypse (which I personally would rank at 11), Sigh, or Lyfthraysr, in whose case the symphonic elements provide a contrast between the blast beats that makes it just as hard as conventional Death/Black Metal.
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Symphonic Metal: It depends on how the hardness is integrated, but yeah, the Symphonic parts often decrease the hardness. I would argue that whether it does or doesn\\\'t depends on the kind of band: When something like Nightwish or Rhapsody of Fire has a violin-heavy song with operatic vocals, when compared with something like Firewind, which is otherwise not too dissimilar, Firewind is (arguably) noticeably heavier than the other stuff. On the other hand, when you take something like Fleshgod Apocalypse (which I personally would rank at 11), Sigh, or Lyfthraysr, in these cases the symphonic elements provide a contrast between the blast beats that make it just as hard as conventional Death/Black Metal.
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When it comes to melody, my answer is the same as for symphony - it sometimes makes it softer, sometimes not. With your example, seeing as how I added both the Devourment and Cryptopsy examples to the scale, I can offer somewhat informed input as to the reasoning: Cryptopsy is a 10 (and Devourment 11) because while Cryptopsy is fast and intense, it\'s much more conventional and (for me) easy to listen to. Devourment is far more alien and has far more disturbing vocals, while still being fast and heavy by many standards. I don\'t actually think Cryptopsy is lighter, I was going by what the scale prioritizes (in this case, a band that has occasionally melodic parts and conventional death growling is \
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When it comes to melody, my answer is the same as for symphony - it sometimes makes it softer, sometimes not. With your example, seeing as how I added both the Devourment and Cryptopsy examples to the scale, I can offer somewhat informed input as to the reasoning: Cryptopsy is a 10 (and Devourment 11) because while Cryptopsy is fast and intense, it\\\'s much more conventional and (for me) easy to listen to. Devourment is far more alien and has far more disturbing vocals, while still being fast and heavy by many standards. I don\\\'t actually think Cryptopsy is lighter, I was going by what the scale prioritizes (in this case, a band that has occasionally melodic parts and conventional death growling is \\\"softer\\\" than one with \\\"pig squeals\\\" and, as you said, bugger all melody), but I\\\'m not sure that the scale is right. In sum, the scale says no, but I wouldn\\\'t say that.
So, in terms of implementing these as guidelines, if we (and obviously other editors) could do some refining, I think it would be a great idea. Hope that helps.
So, in terms of implementing these as guidelines, if we (and obviously other editors) could do some refining, I think it would be a great idea. Hope that helps.
