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In this game, the Great Will is referred as \
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In this game, the Great Will is referred as \\\"great will of the universe\\\" again by both Sophia and the Goddess of Creation (who is a manifestation of the Will to help individuals reach the Throne, in our latest case of EternalRecurrence). However, it also receives a new name: Mandala System or the Mandala, which is coined by Lucifer at the [[FinalBoss Final]] BossBattle.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the systems placed by the Great Will in this game\\\'s continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different; much like how in \\\'\\\'VideoGame/LastBible\\\'\\\' the Universal Will is a mere manifestation of the Great Will in \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' continuity and not the whole entity said to oversee infinite universes).
If we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser beings? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
In other words, should we consider \\\'\\\'\\\'the Mandala as one of the valid names referring to the Great Will\\\'\\\'\\\', or \\\'\\\'\\\'is the Mandala a separate entity like how some of us deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from the Great Will?\\\'\\\'\\\' This begs for a discussion.
\\\'\\\'\\\'IF\\\'\\\'\\\' the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
\\\'\\\'\\\'IF\\\'\\\'\\\' Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the systems placed by the Great Will in this game\\\'s continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different; much like how in \\\'\\\'VideoGame/LastBible\\\'\\\' the Universal Will is a mere manifestation of the Great Will in \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' continuity and not the whole entity said to oversee infinite universes).
If we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser beings? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
In other words, should we consider \\\'\\\'\\\'the Mandala as one of the valid names referring to the Great Will\\\'\\\'\\\', or \\\'\\\'\\\'is the Mandala a separate entity like how some of us deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from the Great Will?\\\'\\\'\\\' This begs for a discussion.
\\\'\\\'\\\'IF\\\'\\\'\\\' the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
\\\'\\\'\\\'IF\\\'\\\'\\\' Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
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In this game, the Great Will is referred as \
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In this game, the Great Will is referred as \\\"great will of the universe\\\" again by both Sophia and the Goddess of Creation (who is a manifestation of the Will to help individuals reach the Throne, in our latest case of EternalRecurrence). However, it also receives a new name: Mandala System or the Mandala, which is coined by Lucifer at the [[FinalBoss Final]] BossBattle.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in its own continuity and not the whole entity).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in its own continuity and not the whole entity).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
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In this game, the Great Will is referred as \
to:
In this game, the Great Will is referred as \\\"great will of the universe\\\" again by both Sophia and the Goddess of Creation (who is a manifestation of the Will to help individuals reach the Throne, in our latest case of EternalRecurrence). However, it also receives a new name: Mandala System or the Mandala, which is coined by Lucifer at the [[FinalBoss Final]] BossBattle.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in its own continuity and not the whole).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in its own continuity and not the whole).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
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In this game, the Great Will is referred as \
to:
In this game, the Great Will is referred as \\\"great will of the universe\\\" again by both Sophia and the Goddess of Creation (who is a manifestation of the Will to help individuals reach the Throne, in our latest case of EternalRecurrence). However, it also receives a new name: Mandala System or the Mandala, which is coined by Lucifer at the [[FinalBoss Final]] BossBattle.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how SMTIVA\\\'s YHVH or Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in their respective continuities and not the whole).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how SMTIVA\\\'s YHVH or Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in their respective continuities and not the whole).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
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In this game, the Great Will is referred as \
to:
In this game, the Great Will is referred as \\\"great will of the universe\\\" again by both Sophia and the Goddess of Creation (who is a manifestation of the Will to help individuals reach the Throne, in our latest case of EternalRecurrence). However, it also receives a new name: Mandala System or the Mandala, which is coined by Lucifer at the [[FinalBoss Final]] BossBattle.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how SMTIVA\\\'s YHVH or Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in their respective continuities and not the whole).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how SMTIVA\\\'s YHVH or Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in their respective continuities and not the whole).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (YHVH for a common example) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
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In thus game, the Great Will is referred as \
to:
In this game, the Great Will is referred as \\\"great will of the universe\\\" again by both Sophia and the Goddess of Creation (who is a manifestation of the Will to help individuals reach the Throne, in our latest case of EternalRecurrence). However, it also receives a new name: Mandala System or the Mandala, which is coined by Lucifer at the [[FinalBoss Final]] BossBattle.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how SMTIVA\\\'s YHVH or Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in their respective continuities and not the whole).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (or YHVHs) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
The Mandala is an ambiguous title; it could refer to the Great Will, or to the system placed by the Great Will in this continuity (which would mean it\\\'s \\\'\\\'essentially\\\'\\\' still part of Great Will, but the semantics are different much like how SMTIVA\\\'s YHVH or Last Bible\\\'s Universal Will are mere manifestations of Great Will in their respective continuities and not the whole).
In other words, does this mean the Mandala is now one of the many valid names referring to Great Will, or a separate entity like how we deemed both YHVH and the Axiom as distinct from each other and from Great Will? This begs for a discussion.
Additionally, if we consider Mandala as a valid name and referring to Great Will, does this mean transcendent entities know and perceive the Great Will by a different name than lesser ones? Lucifer calls himself transcendent during his BossBanter (and he does say and do things which wouldn\\\'t be possible if he doesn\\\'t know about Great Will and the systems put in place in this universe), and he refers to the will of the universe as Mandala System, different from Sophia and the Goddess.
IF the Mandala is a distinct figure from the Great Will and simply refers to the system placed in SMTV\\\'s continuity, then Axiom and Mandala are likely a new class of entities in our franchise; they are sentient cosmic forces unique to a few continuities which permits for the existence of Creator Gods (or YHVHs) in their respective continuities.
In an analogy:
- If Great Will refers to the abstract, incomprehensible entity who is the whole infinite ocean of Megaten franchise, with infinite universes existing as bubbles within it,
- Then Axiom and Mandala would be something akin to the laws keeping each bubble together, governing its structures, with the lesser entities dwelling inside being influenced by these laws,
- While YHVH and Creator Gods are specific entities chosen by the laws to shape the insides of the bubble, directly managing the system and to an extent able to control how the components interact.
IF Mandala is a valid name to refer to Great Will itself, and if transcendent entities DO perceive Great Will differently enough from lesser beings which leads to them calling it differently,
Then the distinction between Great Will, Axiom and Mandala would be unnecessary, because Stephen is a confirmed transcendent and Axiom would just be a name he coined, much like Lucifer does Mandala in this game.
I am not saying all of these are facts (only things directly mentioned by the games and artbooks and the developers are definite facts), but as I said, this is a PRE-EMPTIVE move.
I want all future discussions about this topic to at least be informed of this much, though my apologies if I add too much of my own interpretation of things.
Be sure to take care to distinguish facts from my interpretations, and try to answer these 2 questions I coined moving forward as more info about the game are revealed. If I miss or mistake details, I am happy to be corrected; and feel free to ask more questions related to the topic.
