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-> \\\"We want to write this show to make it a fun show, an entertaining show, a place of escapism, adventure, and we wanted to introduce this idea of the Faunus discrimination as a minor thing when we first started with it. Then there was that realisation of it shouldn\\\'t really be treated as a minor thing though, and it made writing a lot more difficult, and Lord knows, I\\\'m sure there\\\'s a lot of things that we could have done better and still need to do better.\\\"
-->-- \\\'\\\'\\\'Miles Luna\\\'\\\'\\\'
So, the creators have confirmed on the DVDCommentary that they didn\\\'t think this through properly, it was originally intended to be minor, that they realised late that the subject was too important for that and understand they could have, should have, done a better job from the outset.
I think the entry needs to be rewritten, but I think a variety of blog links that show there are several examples in the fandom (and not just one), combined with a reference to the V5 DVDCommentary, might be enough. So, how about something like this? It\\\'s a little on the long side at the moment, but this is just a starting suggesting, includes the three blog posts that were listed on the citations clean-up thread (and were therefore considered okay, if other information was added) and the two [=YouTube=] links from above. That\\\'s five fandom opinions combined with a direct reference to which DVDCommentary to listen to in order to hear what the creators themselves said about it.
* UnfortunateImplications: The fandom generally regards the FantasticRacism of the Faunus as being badly handled, including portraying the only Faunus rights organisation (the White Fang) as terrorists, which accidentally sends the message that the fight for equal rights becomes morally wrong if it\\\'s not conducted in a passive way (e.g., [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/c5huat/rwby_on_racism/ see]] [[https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/rwbys-insulting-portrayal-of-racism/z668_nQlIxu470MdKXM27re06ez5qrLeaW some]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/blx9hl/the_white_fang_and_racism_subplot_an_autopsy/ examples]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fdKWOHrdE&t=6547s as]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc follows]]). The creators have acknowledged in interviews that they didn\\\'t handle it well, and discuss in the Volume 5, Chapter 10 DVDCommentary how they originally planned a minor background storyline before realising that the issue is too important for that, and that they should have handled it better. They attempt to wrap-up the White Fang terrorism storyline in Volume 5 by showing the terrorists don\\\'t represent the Faunus and their fight for equality, while acknowledging in-universe and out that the subject is too complex and nuanced for easy answers.
The last sentence may not even be necessary, in which case, it could be written as follows:
* UnfortunateImplications: The fandom generally regards the FantasticRacism of the Faunus as being badly handled, including portraying the only Faunus rights organisation (the White Fang) as terrorists, which accidentally sends the message that the fight for equal rights becomes morally wrong if it\\\'s not conducted in a passive way (e.g., [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/c5huat/rwby_on_racism/ see]] [[https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/rwbys-insulting-portrayal-of-racism/z668_nQlIxu470MdKXM27re06ez5qrLeaW some]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/blx9hl/the_white_fang_and_racism_subplot_an_autopsy/ examples]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fdKWOHrdE&t=6547s as]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc follows]]). The creators have acknowledged in interviews that they didn\\\'t handle it well, and discuss in the Volume 5, Chapter 10 DVDCommentary how they originally planned a minor background storyline before realising that the issue is too important for that, and that they should have handled it better.
If we agree on an example here, we can put the entry on the citations thread to double-check that it stands up there. If there\\\'s a consensus post that stands up there (in terms of the source citations), then we should have an entry that no longer needs to be fought over. What do people think?
-->-- \\\'\\\'\\\'Miles Luna\\\'\\\'\\\'
So, the creators have confirmed on the DVDCommentary that they didn\\\'t think this through properly, it was originally intended to be minor, that they realised late that the subject was too important for that and understand they could have, should have, done a better job from the outset.
I think the entry needs to be rewritten, but I think a variety of blog links that show there are several examples in the fandom (and not just one), combined with a reference to the V5 DVDCommentary, might be enough. So, how about something like this? It\\\'s a little on the long side at the moment, but this is just a starting suggesting, includes the three blog posts that were listed on the citations clean-up thread (and were therefore considered okay, if other information was added) and the two [=YouTube=] links from above. That\\\'s five fandom opinions combined with a direct reference to which DVDCommentary to listen to in order to hear what the creators themselves said about it.
* UnfortunateImplications: The fandom generally regards the FantasticRacism of the Faunus as being badly handled, including portraying the only Faunus rights organisation (the White Fang) as terrorists, which accidentally sends the message that the fight for equal rights becomes morally wrong if it\\\'s not conducted in a passive way (e.g., [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/c5huat/rwby_on_racism/ see]] [[https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/rwbys-insulting-portrayal-of-racism/z668_nQlIxu470MdKXM27re06ez5qrLeaW some]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/blx9hl/the_white_fang_and_racism_subplot_an_autopsy/ examples]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fdKWOHrdE&t=6547s as]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc follows]]). The creators have acknowledged in interviews that they didn\\\'t handle it well, and discuss in the Volume 5, Chapter 10 DVDCommentary how they originally planned a minor background storyline before realising that the issue is too important for that, and that they should have handled it better. They attempt to wrap-up the White Fang terrorism storyline in Volume 5 by showing the terrorists don\\\'t represent the Faunus and their fight for equality, while acknowledging in-universe and out that the subject is too complex and nuanced for easy answers.
The last sentence may not even be necessary, in which case, it could be written as follows:
* UnfortunateImplications: The fandom generally regards the FantasticRacism of the Faunus as being badly handled, including portraying the only Faunus rights organisation (the White Fang) as terrorists, which accidentally sends the message that the fight for equal rights becomes morally wrong if it\\\'s not conducted in a passive way (e.g., [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/c5huat/rwby_on_racism/ see]] [[https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/rwbys-insulting-portrayal-of-racism/z668_nQlIxu470MdKXM27re06ez5qrLeaW some]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/blx9hl/the_white_fang_and_racism_subplot_an_autopsy/ examples]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fdKWOHrdE&t=6547s as]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc follows]]). The creators have acknowledged in interviews that they didn\\\'t handle it well, and discuss in the Volume 5, Chapter 10 DVDCommentary how they originally planned a minor background storyline before realising that the issue is too important for that, and that they should have handled it better.
If we agree on an example here, we can put the entry on the citations thread to double-check that it stands up there. If there\\\'s a consensus post that stands up there (in terms of the source citations), then we should have an entry that no longer needs to be fought over. What do people think?
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The problem is with the quality of the sources. However, blog posts \'\'can\'\' count if there are several of them to show that this is a general fandom feeling rather than just an individual opinion. What I can say is this: The Volume 5 DVDCommentary has the directors (Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross) discussing it during the Chapter 10 episode commentary, and I think that does constitute a \'from the horse\'s mouth\' option that anyone who owns the DVD or Blu Ray can access for themselves. I just listened to it to transcribe the following (I\'m not going to transcribe everything they say):
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The problem is with the quality of the sources. However, blog posts \\\'\\\'can\\\'\\\' potentially count if there are several of them to show that this is a general fandom feeling rather than just an individual opinion. What I can say is this: The Volume 5 DVDCommentary has the directors (Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross) discussing it during the Chapter 10 episode commentary, and I think that does constitute a \\\'from the horse\\\'s mouth\\\' option that anyone who owns the DVD or Blu Ray can access for themselves. I just listened to it to transcribe the following (I\\\'m not going to transcribe everything they say):
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-> \\\"We want to write this show to make it a fun show, an entertaining show, a place of escapism, adventure, and we wanted to introduce this idea of the Faunus discrimination as a minor thing when we first started with it. Then there was that realisation of it shouldn\\\'t really be treated as a minor thing though, and it made writing a lot more difficult, and Lord knows, I\\\'m sure there\\\'s a lot of things that we could have done better and still need to do better.\\\"
-->-- \\\'\\\'\\\'Miles Luna\\\'\\\'\\\'
So, the creators have confirmed on the DVDCommentary that they didn\\\'t think this through properly, it was originally intended to be minor, that they realised late that the subject was too important for that and understand they could have, should have, done a better job from the outset.
I think the entry needs to be rewritten, but I think a variety of blog links that show there are several examples in the fandom (and not just one), combined with a reference to the V5 DVDCommentary, might be enough. So, how about something like this? It\\\'s a little on the long side at the moment, but this is just a starting suggesting, includes the three blog posts that were listed on the citations clean-up thread (and were therefore considered okay, if other information was added) and the two [=YouTube=] links from above. That\\\'s five fandom opinions combined with a direct reference to which DVDCommentary to listen to in order to hear what the creators themselves said about it.
* UnfortunateImplications: The fandom generally regards the FantasticRacism of the Faunus as being badly handled, including portraying the only Faunus rights organisation (the White Fang) as terrorists, which accidentally sends the message that the fight for equal rights becomes morally wrong if it\\\'s not conducted in a passive way (e.g., [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/c5huat/rwby_on_racism/ see]] [[https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/rwbys-insulting-portrayal-of-racism/z668_nQlIxu470MdKXM27re06ez5qrLeaW some]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/blx9hl/the_white_fang_and_racism_subplot_an_autopsy/ examples]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fdKWOHrdE&t=6547s as]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc follows]]). The creators have acknowledged in interviews that they didn\\\'t handle it well, and discuss in the Volume 5, Chapter 10 DVDCommentary how they originally planned a minor background storyline before realising that the issue is too important for that, and that they should have handled it better. They attempt to wrap-up the White Fang terrorism storyline in Volume 5 by showing the terrorists don\\\'t represent the Faunus and their fight for equality, while acknowledging in-universe and out that the subject is too complex and nuanced for easy answers.
The last sentence may not even be necessary, in which case, it could be written as follows:
* UnfortunateImplications: The fandom generally regards the FantasticRacism of the Faunus as being badly handled, including portraying the only Faunus rights organisation (the White Fang) as terrorists, which accidentally sends the message that the fight for equal rights becomes morally wrong if it\\\'s not conducted in a passive way (e.g., [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/c5huat/rwby_on_racism/ see]] [[https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/rwbys-insulting-portrayal-of-racism/z668_nQlIxu470MdKXM27re06ez5qrLeaW some]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/blx9hl/the_white_fang_and_racism_subplot_an_autopsy/ examples]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fdKWOHrdE&t=6547s as]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc follows]]). The creators have acknowledged in interviews that they didn\\\'t handle it well, and discuss in the Volume 5, Chapter 10 DVDCommentary how they originally planned a minor background storyline before realising that the issue is too important for that, and that they should have handled it better.
If we agree on an example here. We can put the entry on the citations thread to double-check that it stands up there. If there\\\'s a consensus post that stands up there (in terms of the source citations), then we should have an entry that no longer needs to be fought over. What do people think?
-->-- \\\'\\\'\\\'Miles Luna\\\'\\\'\\\'
So, the creators have confirmed on the DVDCommentary that they didn\\\'t think this through properly, it was originally intended to be minor, that they realised late that the subject was too important for that and understand they could have, should have, done a better job from the outset.
I think the entry needs to be rewritten, but I think a variety of blog links that show there are several examples in the fandom (and not just one), combined with a reference to the V5 DVDCommentary, might be enough. So, how about something like this? It\\\'s a little on the long side at the moment, but this is just a starting suggesting, includes the three blog posts that were listed on the citations clean-up thread (and were therefore considered okay, if other information was added) and the two [=YouTube=] links from above. That\\\'s five fandom opinions combined with a direct reference to which DVDCommentary to listen to in order to hear what the creators themselves said about it.
* UnfortunateImplications: The fandom generally regards the FantasticRacism of the Faunus as being badly handled, including portraying the only Faunus rights organisation (the White Fang) as terrorists, which accidentally sends the message that the fight for equal rights becomes morally wrong if it\\\'s not conducted in a passive way (e.g., [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/c5huat/rwby_on_racism/ see]] [[https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/rwbys-insulting-portrayal-of-racism/z668_nQlIxu470MdKXM27re06ez5qrLeaW some]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/blx9hl/the_white_fang_and_racism_subplot_an_autopsy/ examples]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fdKWOHrdE&t=6547s as]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc follows]]). The creators have acknowledged in interviews that they didn\\\'t handle it well, and discuss in the Volume 5, Chapter 10 DVDCommentary how they originally planned a minor background storyline before realising that the issue is too important for that, and that they should have handled it better. They attempt to wrap-up the White Fang terrorism storyline in Volume 5 by showing the terrorists don\\\'t represent the Faunus and their fight for equality, while acknowledging in-universe and out that the subject is too complex and nuanced for easy answers.
The last sentence may not even be necessary, in which case, it could be written as follows:
* UnfortunateImplications: The fandom generally regards the FantasticRacism of the Faunus as being badly handled, including portraying the only Faunus rights organisation (the White Fang) as terrorists, which accidentally sends the message that the fight for equal rights becomes morally wrong if it\\\'s not conducted in a passive way (e.g., [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/c5huat/rwby_on_racism/ see]] [[https://aminoapps.com/c/rwby/page/blog/rwbys-insulting-portrayal-of-racism/z668_nQlIxu470MdKXM27re06ez5qrLeaW some]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/blx9hl/the_white_fang_and_racism_subplot_an_autopsy/ examples]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fdKWOHrdE&t=6547s as]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc follows]]). The creators have acknowledged in interviews that they didn\\\'t handle it well, and discuss in the Volume 5, Chapter 10 DVDCommentary how they originally planned a minor background storyline before realising that the issue is too important for that, and that they should have handled it better.
If we agree on an example here. We can put the entry on the citations thread to double-check that it stands up there. If there\\\'s a consensus post that stands up there (in terms of the source citations), then we should have an entry that no longer needs to be fought over. What do people think?
