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Film/TheTrumanShow: The film showcases [[LotusEaterMachine a deliberately constructed example]] in-universe. Harry Truman has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said-show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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Film/TheTrumanShow: The film showcases [[LotusEaterMachine a deliberately constructed example]] in-universe. Truman Burbank has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said-show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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Film/TheTrumanShow: The film showcases a deliberately constructed example in-universe. Harry Truman has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said-show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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Film/TheTrumanShow: The film showcases [[LotusEaterMachine a deliberately constructed example]] in-universe. Harry Truman has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said-show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog: In VideoGame/SonicAdventure, the game\'s backstory establishes that long before humans were researching the old ruins, they were once a monument to a race of bipedal echidnas that match Knukles\'s profile, indicating that funny animals have co-existed with humans for centuries at least. However, The Anime/SonicX adaptation changes this around so that Sonic and his friends herald from a world of funny animals, with a short handwave when adapting Sonic Adventure that the two worlds were once one, with little to no explanation of how or why it happened. Granted, It has been established that Sonic and his friends can teleport with the help of the power of the Chaos Emeralds, so Sonic himself might not be the Boltzmann, as much as it is the existence of their two worlds with identical language and biomes. This is averted however in the [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics Archie Comics adaptation]], which places Sonic in the setting of a FantasyWorldMap where humans and funny animals co-exist across different parts of a future planet Earth (initially called Mobius).
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Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog: In VideoGame/SonicAdventure, the game\\\'s backstory establishes that long before humans were researching the old ruins, they were once a monument to a race of bipedal echidnas that match Knuckles\\\'s profile, indicating that funny animals have co-existed with humans for centuries at least. However, The Anime/SonicX adaptation changes this around so that Sonic and his friends herald from a WorldOfFunnyAnimals, with a short handwave when adapting Sonic Adventure that the two worlds were once one, with little to no explanation of how or why it happened. Granted, It has been established that Sonic and his friends can teleport with the help of the power of the Chaos Emeralds, so Sonic himself might not be the Boltzmann, as much as it is the existence of their two worlds with identical language and biomes. This is averted however in the [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics Archie Comics adaptation]], which places Sonic in the setting of a FantasyWorldMap where humans and funny animals co-exist across different parts of a future planet Earth (initially called Mobius).
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Film/{{Bright}}: The film presents itself as an alternate history where AllMythsAreTrue, and fantasy-like elves, fairies, orcs, centaurs, and dragons have co-existed since recorded history. This however does not seem to negate some things that exist in our world as well like the proliferation of Christianity (the defeat of the Dark Lord happened around the time of its founding) or Shrek.
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Film/{{Bright}}: The film presents itself as an alternate history Earth where AllMythsAreTrue, and fantasy-like elves, fairies, orcs, centaurs, and dragons have co-existed alongside humans since recorded history. This however does not seem to negate some things that exist in our world as well like the proliferation of Christianity (the defeat of the Dark Lord happened around the time of its founding) or Shrek.
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Alternate history InNameOnly. Applies to works that seem like alternate history at first, but as the story or \'verse unfolds, it becomes clear that not only is the present different, but also all of history up until that point is of a different world altogether, even in spite of specific things, people and concurrent events inexplicably happening or existing in contemporary time of said setting. Type X-IV can be considered borderline, barring the condition that the setting of planet earth or other contemporary terrestrial or extra-terrestrial setting remain mostly indistinguishable from real life. Named for [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain The Boltzmann brain argument]] purposed by physicist Ludwig Boltzmann that A BrainInAJar-like, self-aware entity that, given enough time, would appear from nothing, complete with false memories and totally oblivious to the fact it\'s in the middle of the most absolute nowhere, and would be more likely to happen than if another universe, basically through the same process would spontaneously look identical to ours, if not just for the short time frame of a person\'s lifetime.
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Alternate history InNameOnly. Applies to works that seem like alternate history at first, but as the story or \\\'verse unfolds, it becomes clear that not only is the present different, but also all of history up until that point is of a different world altogether, even in spite of specific things, people and concurrent events inexplicably happening or existing in contemporary time of said setting. Type X-IV can be considered borderline, barring the condition that the setting of planet earth or other contemporary terrestrial or extra-terrestrial setting remain mostly indistinguishable from real life. Named for [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain The Boltzmann brain argument]] purposed by physicist Ludwig Boltzmann that a BrainInAJar-like, self-aware entity that, given enough time, would appear from nothing, complete with false memories and totally oblivious to the fact it\\\'s in the middle of the most absolute nowhere, and would be more likely to happen than if another universe, basically through the same process would spontaneously look identical to ours, if not just for the short time frame of a person\\\'s lifetime.
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Film/{{Bright}}: The film presents itself as an alternate history where AllMythsAreTrue, and fantasy-like elves, fairies, orcs, centaurs, and Dragons have co-existed since recorded history. This however does not seem to negate some things that exist in our world as well like the proliferation of Christianity (the defeat of the Dark Lord happened around the time of its founding) or Shrek.
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Film/{{Bright}}: The film presents itself as an alternate history where AllMythsAreTrue, and fantasy-like elves, fairies, orcs, centaurs, and dragons have co-existed since recorded history. This however does not seem to negate some things that exist in our world as well like the proliferation of Christianity (the defeat of the Dark Lord happened around the time of its founding) or Shrek.
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Film/TheTrumanShow: The film showcases a deliberately constructed example in-universe. Harry Truman has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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Film/TheTrumanShow: The film showcases a deliberately constructed example in-universe. Harry Truman has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said-show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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Literature/HisDarkMaterials: This is very much intentional throughout the trilogy, given the focus on things like alternate-universe physics, the
existence of Daemons, and the logic behind the power of the series [[MacGuffin MacGuffins]].
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Literature/HisDarkMaterials: This is very much intentional throughout the trilogy, given the focus on things like alternate-universe physics, the existence of Daemons, and the logic behind the power of the series [[MacGuffin MacGuffins]].
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Film/{{Bright}}: The film presents itself as an alternate history where AllMythsAreTrue, and fantasy-like elves, fairies, orcs, centaurs, and Dragons have co-existed since recorded history. This however does not seem to negate some things that exist in our world as well like the proliferation of Christianity (the defeat of the Dark Lord happened around the time of its founding) or Shrek.
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The film presents itself as an alternate history where AllMythsAreTrue, and fantasy-like elves, fairies, orcs, centaurs, and Dragons have co-existed since recorded history. This however does not seem to negate some things that exist in our world as well like the proliferation of Christianity (the defeat of the Dark Lord happened around the time of its founding) or Shrek.
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Film/TheTrumanShow: The film showcases a deliberately constructed example in-universe. Harry Truman has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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The film showcases a deliberately constructed example in-universe. Harry Truman has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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Literature/HisDarkMaterials: This is very much intentional throughout the trilogy, given the focus on things like alternate-universe physics, the
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VideoGame/{{Fallout}}: Sure, the point of historical divergence can be pinned down to the 1940s, but their laws of physics (especially involving nuclear physics, of course) are different enough that it would mean that the real point of divergence would have to have been sometime during the very formation of the Fallout universe.
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This is very much intentional throughout the trilogy, given the focus on things like alternate-universe physics, the
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VideoGame/AceCombat: Strangereal in the Ace Combat series is an alternate version of our Earth with virtually identical nature and humans and a roughly Present Day tech level, but the continents are completely different (their shape often hints at an amusingly warped and twisted version of our real landmasses). The countries and nations are completely fictional as well but are all thinly-veiled [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Counterpart Cultures]]. (Even if our world\\\'s landmasses formed as such in real life, it would negate the evolution of mammals as we know them, and thus humanity as a whole.)
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Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog: In VideoGame/SonicAdventure, the game\\\'s backstory establishes that long before humans were researching the old ruins, they were once a monument to a race of bipedal echidnas that match Knukles\\\'s profile, indicating that funny animals have co-existed with humans for centuries at least. However, The Anime/SonicX adaptation changes this around so that Sonic and his friends herald from a world of funny animals, with a short handwave when adapting Sonic Adventure that the two worlds were once one, with little to no explanation of how or why it happened. Granted, It has been established that Sonic and his friends can teleport with the help of the power of the Chaos Emeralds, so Sonic himself might not be the Boltzmann, as much as it is the existence of their two worlds with identical language and biomes. This is averted however in the [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics Archie Comics adaptation]], which places Sonic in the setting of a FantasyWorldMap where humans and funny animals co-exist across different parts of a future planet Earth (initially called Mobius).
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Sure, the point of historical divergence can be pinned down to the 1940s, but their laws of physics (especially involving nuclear physics, of course) are different enough that it would mean that the real point of divergence would have to have been sometime during the very formation of the Fallout universe.

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Strangereal in the Ace Combat series is an alternate version of our Earth with virtually identical nature and humans and a roughly Present Day tech level, but the continents are completely different (their shape often hints at an amusingly warped and twisted version of our real landmasses). The countries and nations are completely fictional as well but are all thinly-veiled [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Counterpart Cultures]]. (Even if our world\'s landmasses formed as such in real life, it would negate the evolution of mammals as we know them, and thus humanity as a whole.)

Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog:

In Sonic Adventure, the game\'s backstory establishes that long before humans were researching the old ruins, they were once a monument to a race of bipedal echidnas that match Knukles\'s profile, indicating that funny animals have co-existed with humans for centuries at least. However, The Anime/SonicX adaptation changes this around so that Sonic and his friends herald from a world of funny animals, with a short handwave when adapting Sonic Adventure that the two worlds were once one, with little to no explanation of how or why it happened. Granted, It has been established that Sonic and his friends can teleport with the help of the power of the Chaos Emeralds, so Sonic himself might not be the Boltzmann, as much as it is the existence of their two worlds with identical language and biomes. This is averted however in the [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics Archie Comics adaptation]], which places Sonic in the setting of a FantasyWorldMap where humans and funny animals co-exist across different parts of a future planet Earth (initially called Mobius).

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WesternAnimation/AdventureTime:

Earlier episodes lean towards the backstory of the Ice King once being a present-day-looking scientist named Simon Petrikov who lived in an apparently urbanized, present-day-like civilization dating one thousand years before the show\'s present. However, later episodes reveal a backstory going further back that involves pre-human sapient people using functional elemental magic (made up of fire, ice, slime, and candy) as far back as the age of the dinosaurs.
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WesternAnimation/AdventureTime: Earlier episodes lean towards the backstory of the Ice King once being a present-day-looking scientist named Simon Petrikov who lived in an apparently urbanized, present-day-like civilization dating one thousand years before the show\\\'s present. However, later episodes reveal a backstory going further back that involves pre-human sapient people using functional elemental magic (made up of fire, ice, slime, and candy) as far back as the age of the dinosaurs.
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Film/{{Bright}}
The film presents itself as an alternate history where AllMythsAreTrue, and fantasy-like elves, fairies, orcs, centaurs, and Dragons have co-existed since recorded history. This however does not seem to negate some things that exist in our world as well like the proliferation of Christianity (the defeat of the Dark Lord happened around the time of its founding) or Shrek.
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Film/TheTrumanShow
The film showcases a deliberately constructed example in-universe. Harry Truman has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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The film presents itself as an alternate history where AllMythsAreTrue, and fantasy-like elves, fairies, orcs, centaurs, and Dragons have co-existed since recorded history. This however does not seem to negate some things that exist in our world as well like the proliferation of Christianity (the defeat of the Dark Lord happened around the time of its founding) or Shrek.
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Literature/HisDarkMaterials
This is very much intentional throughout the trilogy, given the focus on things like alternate-universe physics, the
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The film showcases a deliberately constructed example in-universe. Harry Truman has been born and raised within a domed reality show without knowing it, and all those he knows are just actors of said show playing along with the facade, making him think that he is just a normal guy living his life no different from un-domed normality...
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VideoGame/Fallout
Sure, the point of historical divergence can be pinned down to the 1940s, but their laws of physics (especially involving nuclear physics, of course) are different enough that it would mean that the real point of divergence would have to have been sometime during the very formation of the Fallout universe.
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VideoGame/AceCombat
Strangereal in the Ace Combat series is an alternate version of our Earth with virtually identical nature and humans and a roughly Present Day tech level, but the continents are completely different (their shape often hints at an amusingly warped and twisted version of our real landmasses). The countries and nations are completely fictional as well but are all thinly-veiled [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Counterpart Cultures]]. (Even if our world\'s landmasses formed as such in real life, it would negate the evolution of mammals as we know them, and thus humanity as a whole.)
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This is very much intentional throughout the trilogy, given the focus on things like alternate-universe physics, the
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Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog
In Sonic Adventure, the game\'s backstory establishes that long before humans were researching the old ruins, they were once a monument to a race of bipedal echidnas that match Knukles\'s profile, indicating that funny animals have co-existed with humans for centuries at least. However, The Anime/SonicX adaptation changes this around so that Sonic and his friends herald from a world of funny animals, with a short handwave when adapting Sonic Adventure that the two worlds were once one, with little to no explanation of how or why it happened. Granted, It has been established that Sonic and his friends can teleport with the help of the power of the Chaos Emeralds, so Sonic himself might not be the Boltzmann, as much as it is the existence of their two worlds with identical language and biomes. This is averted however in the [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics Archie Comics adaptation]], which places Sonic in the setting of a FantasyWorldMap where humans and funny animals co-exist across different parts of a future planet Earth (initially called Mobius).
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Sure, the point of historical divergence can be pinned down to the 1940s, but their laws of physics (especially involving nuclear physics, of course) are different enough that it would mean that the real point of divergence would have to have been sometime during the very formation of the Fallout universe.

VideoGame/AceCombat:

Strangereal in the Ace Combat series is an alternate version of our Earth with virtually identical nature and humans and a roughly Present Day tech level, but the continents are completely different (their shape often hints at an amusingly warped and twisted version of our real landmasses). The countries and nations are completely fictional as well but are all thinly-veiled [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Counterpart Cultures]]. (Even if our world\\\'s landmasses formed as such in real life, it would negate the evolution of mammals as we know them, and thus humanity as a whole.)

Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog:

In Sonic Adventure, the game\\\'s backstory establishes that long before humans were researching the old ruins, they were once a monument to a race of bipedal echidnas that match Knukles\\\'s profile, indicating that funny animals have co-existed with humans for centuries at least. However, The Anime/SonicX adaptation changes this around so that Sonic and his friends herald from a world of funny animals, with a short handwave when adapting Sonic Adventure that the two worlds were once one, with little to no explanation of how or why it happened. Granted, It has been established that Sonic and his friends can teleport with the help of the power of the Chaos Emeralds, so Sonic himself might not be the Boltzmann, as much as it is the existence of their two worlds with identical language and biomes. This is averted however in the [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics Archie Comics adaptation]], which places Sonic in the setting of a FantasyWorldMap where humans and funny animals co-exist across different parts of a future planet Earth (initially called Mobius).

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Sure, the point of historical divergence can be pinned down to the 1940s, but their laws of physics (especially involving nuclear physics, of course) are different enough that it would mean that the real point of divergence would have to have been sometime during the very formation of the Fallout universe.
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Sure, the point of historical divergence can be pinned down to the 1940s, but their laws of physics (especially involving nuclear physics, of course) are different enough that it would mean that the real point of divergence would have to have been sometime during the very formation of the Fallout universe.
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Franchise/AceCombat
Strangereal in the Ace Combat series is an alternate version of our Earth with virtually identical nature and humans and a roughly Present Day tech level, but the continents are completely different (their shape often hints at an amusingly warped and twisted version of our real landmasses). The countries and nations are completely fictional as well but are all thinly-veiled FantasyCounterpartCultures. (Even if our world\'s landmasses formed as such in real life, it would negate the evolution of mammals as we know them, and thus humanity as a whole.)
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Strangereal in the Ace Combat series is an alternate version of our Earth with virtually identical nature and humans and a roughly Present Day tech level, but the continents are completely different (their shape often hints at an amusingly warped and twisted version of our real landmasses). The countries and nations are completely fictional as well but are all thinly-veiled [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Counterpart Cultures]]. (Even if our world\\\'s landmasses formed as such in real life, it would negate the evolution of mammals as we know them, and thus humanity as a whole.)
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