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If Luz and Amity have individual pages. shouldn\'t Eva and King have them too?
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If Luz and Amity have individual pages. shouldn\\\'t Eda and King have them too?
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We\'re not talking about other movies here. We\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \
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We\\\'re not talking about other movies here. We\\\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \\\"happy ending\\\" that are not addressed. An ending having the elements for a happy ending does not disqualify it from being an EsotericHappyEnding.

The movie raises dark, hard questions that are not answered. How did Palpatine come back? \\\"Sith powers\\\" is vague, unsatisfactory, and doesn\\\'t give us a guarantee it won\\\'t happen again. How will the government move forward? They don\\\'t touch on that. Back in the OT it was clear they were fighting for democracy, which we had no reason to believe wouldn\\\'t work; but here they\\\'re fighting for a democracy that already failed/was manipulated/didn\\\'t work/however you want to put it. How are they supposed to protect it from that again in the future?

Because it was already stated that her goal was to find belonging, back in TFA. The films presented the Skywalkers/Solos as that belonging, and then she lost them. The films also presented her friends as her friends, but not her belonging. If that has shifted, she *would* need to say something (or else have it shown). Additionally, the film doesn\\\'t show her grief over the Skywalkers/Solos or address how she\\\'s coping with losing her FoundFamily, just hurrying along to have her call herself Rey Skywalker as if that makes up for what she lost. That is not happy, despite the film pushing it as happy.

She has gained, but the film wants to ignore what she lost.

It\\\'s pretty clear we\\\'re not going to change each other\\\'s minds, so anyone willing to jump in?
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We\'re not talking about other movies here. We\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \
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We\\\'re not talking about other movies here. We\\\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \\\"happy ending\\\" that are not addressed. An ending having the elements for a happy ending does not disqualify it from being an EsotericHappyEnding.

The movie raises dark, hard questions that are not answered. How did Palpatine come back? \\\"Sith powers\\\" is vague, unsatisfactory, and doesn\\\'t give us a guarantee it won\\\'t happen again. How will the government move forward? They don\\\'t touch on that. Back in the OT it was clear they were fighting for democracy; but here they\\\'re fighting for a democracy that already failed/was manipulated/didn\\\'t work/however you want to put it. How are they supposed to protect it from that again in the future?

Because it was already stated that her goal was to find belonging, back in TFA. The films presented the Skywalkers/Solos as that belonging, and then she lost them. The films also presented her friends as her friends, but not her belonging. If that has shifted, she *would* need to say something (or else have it shown). Additionally, the film doesn\\\'t show her grief over the Skywalkers/Solos or address how she\\\'s coping with losing her FoundFamily, just hurrying along to have her call herself Rey Skywalker as if that makes up for what she lost. That is not happy, despite the film pushing it as happy.

She has gained, but the film wants to ignore what she lost.

It\\\'s pretty clear we\\\'re not going to change each other\\\'s minds, so anyone willing to jump in?
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We\'re not talking about other movies here. We\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \
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We\\\'re not talking about other movies here. We\\\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \\\"happy ending\\\" that are not addressed. An ending have the elements for a happy ending does not disqualify it from being an EsotericHappyEnding.

The movie raises dark, hard questions that are not answered. How did Palpatine come back? \\\"Sith powers\\\" is vague, unsatisfactory, and doesn\\\'t give us a guarantee it won\\\'t happen again. How will the government move forward? They don\\\'t touch on that. Back in the OT it was clear they were fighting for democracy; but here they\\\'re fighting for a democracy that already failed/was manipulated/didn\\\'t work/however you want to put it. How are they supposed to protect it from that again in the future?

Because it was already stated that her goal was to find belonging, back in TFA. The films presented the Skywalkers/Solos as that belonging, and then she lost them. The films also presented her friends as her friends, but not her belonging. If that has shifted, she *would* need to say something (or else have it shown). Additionally, the film doesn\\\'t show her grief over the Skywalkers/Solos or address how she\\\'s coping with losing her FoundFamily, just hurrying along to have her call herself Rey Skywalker as if that makes up for what she lost. That is not happy, despite the film pushing it as happy.

She has gained, but the film wants to ignore what she lost.

It\\\'s pretty clear we\\\'re not going to change each other\\\'s minds, so anyone willing to jump in?
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We\'re not talking about other movies here. We\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \
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We\\\'re not talking about other movies here. We\\\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \\\"happy ending\\\" that are not addressed. An ending have the elements for a happy ending does not disqualify it from being an EsotericHappyEnding.

The movie raises dark, hard questions that are not answered. How did Palpatine come back? \\\"Sith powers\\\" is vague, unsatisfactory, and doesn\\\'t give us a guarantee it won\\\'t happen again. How will the government move forward? They don\\\'t touch on that. Back in the OT it was clear they were fighting for democracy; but here they\\\'re fighting for a democracy that already failed/was manipulated/didn\\\'t work/however you want to put it. How are they supposed to protect it from that again in the future?

Because it was already stated that her goal was to find belonging, back in TFA. The films presented the Skywalkers/Solos as that belonging, and then she lost them. The film doesn\\\'t show her grief over them or address how she\\\'s coping with losing her FoundFamily, just hurrying along to have her call herself Rey Skywalker as if that makes up for what she lost. That is not happy, despite the film pushing it as happy.

She has gained, but the film wants to ignore what she lost.

It\\\'s pretty clear we\\\'re not going to change each other\\\'s minds, so anyone willing to jump in?
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We\'re not talking about other movies here. We\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \
to:
We\\\'re not talking about other movies here. We\\\'re talking about this one. An EsotericHappyEnding occurs when there are dark or horrific implications to a \\\"happy ending\\\" that are not addressed. An ending have the elements for a happy ending does not disqualify it from being an EsotericHappyEnding.

The movie raises questions that are not answered. How did Palpatine come back? \\\"Sith powers\\\" is vague, unsatisfactory, and doesn\\\'t give us a guarantee it won\\\'t happen again. How will the government move forward? They don\\\'t touch on that. Back in the OT it was clear they were fighting for democracy; but here they\\\'re fighting for a democracy that already failed/was manipulated/didn\\\'t work/however you want to put it. How are they supposed to protect it from that again in the future?

Because it was already stated that her goal was to find belonging, back in TFA. The films presented the Skywalkers/Solos as that belonging, and then she lost them. The film doesn\\\'t show her grief over them or address how she\\\'s coping with losing her FoundFamily, just hurrying along to have her call herself Rey Skywalker as if that makes up for what she lost. That is not happy, despite the film pushing it as happy.

She has gained, but the film wants to ignore what she lost.

It\\\'s pretty clear we\\\'re not going to change each other\\\'s minds, so anyone willing to jump in?
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