[002]
buihuuduyet
Current Version
Changed line(s) 1 from:
n
Hi Tuvok, about the \
to:
About the \\\"bell means surrender\\\" AssPull:
The definition of AssPull is, by the trope\\\'s entry, \\\"a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the LawOfConservationOfDetail by dropping a plot-critical detail \\\'\\\'in the middle\\\'\\\', or \\\'\\\'near the end\\\'\\\' of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a ChekhovsGun earlier on.\\\"
Is the information dropped \\\"in the middle or near the end of their narrative\\\"? If you define the narrative as just within the episode, then it may arguably count as \\\"early\\\". However, the fact is that it is ~30 minutes between Tyrion\\\'s proposal and the surrender i.e. less than half of the episode. This makes the ChekhovsGun argument less convincing.
It\\\'s also a fact that throughout the entire 7 seasons of the shows and all the novels, there isn\\\'t a single mentioning of bells meaning surrender, despite there have been many city/castle sieges and assaults in both Westeros and Essos (Blackwater, Yunkai, Meereen, Riverrun, Casterly Rock, Highgarden). The show could\\\'ve added a bell sound for had the attacker demand to ring the bells in any of the aforementioned occasions, but it didn\\\'t.
The quote in S02E09 by Ser Davos is that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBYSfnFZKQA \\\"I have never known bells to mean surrender.\\\"]] It is as unambiguous as it could be.
Therefore, I found the original paragraph that you deleted to make sense and supported by facts (I wrote half of it lol).
Finally, this is a separated issue from whether Daenerys understood the bells. Tyrion said that directly to her so of course she got it.
Can I restore it?
The definition of AssPull is, by the trope\\\'s entry, \\\"a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the LawOfConservationOfDetail by dropping a plot-critical detail \\\'\\\'in the middle\\\'\\\', or \\\'\\\'near the end\\\'\\\' of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a ChekhovsGun earlier on.\\\"
Is the information dropped \\\"in the middle or near the end of their narrative\\\"? If you define the narrative as just within the episode, then it may arguably count as \\\"early\\\". However, the fact is that it is ~30 minutes between Tyrion\\\'s proposal and the surrender i.e. less than half of the episode. This makes the ChekhovsGun argument less convincing.
It\\\'s also a fact that throughout the entire 7 seasons of the shows and all the novels, there isn\\\'t a single mentioning of bells meaning surrender, despite there have been many city/castle sieges and assaults in both Westeros and Essos (Blackwater, Yunkai, Meereen, Riverrun, Casterly Rock, Highgarden). The show could\\\'ve added a bell sound for had the attacker demand to ring the bells in any of the aforementioned occasions, but it didn\\\'t.
The quote in S02E09 by Ser Davos is that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBYSfnFZKQA \\\"I have never known bells to mean surrender.\\\"]] It is as unambiguous as it could be.
Therefore, I found the original paragraph that you deleted to make sense and supported by facts (I wrote half of it lol).
Finally, this is a separated issue from whether Daenerys understood the bells. Tyrion said that directly to her so of course she got it.
Can I restore it?
Changed line(s) 1 from:
n
Hi Tuvok, about the \
to:
Hi Tuvok, about the \\\"bell means surrender\\\" business:
The definition of AssPull is, by the trope\\\'s entry, \\\"a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the LawOfConservationOfDetail by dropping a plot-critical detail \\\'\\\'in the middle\\\'\\\', or \\\'\\\'near the end\\\'\\\' of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a ChekhovsGun earlier on.\\\"
This lead to another question: is the information dropped \\\"in the middle or near the end of their narrative\\\"? If you define the narrative as just within the episode, then it may arguably count as \\\"early\\\". However, the fact is that it is ~30 minutes between Tyrion\\\'s proposal and the surrender i.e. less than half of the episode. This makes the ChekhovsGun argument less convincing.
It\\\'s also a fact that throughout the entire 7 seasons of the shows and all the novels, there isn\\\'t a single mentioning of bells meaning surrender, despite there have been many city/castle sieges and assaults in both Westeros and Essos (Blackwater, Yunkai, Meereen, Riverrun, Casterly Rock, Highgarden). The show could\\\'ve added a bell sound for had the attacker demand to ring the bells in any of the aforementioned occasions, but it didn\\\'t.
The quote in S02E09 by Ser Davos is that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBYSfnFZKQA \\\"I have never known bells to mean surrender.\\\"]] It is as unambiguous as it could be.
Therefore, I found the original paragraph that you deleted to make sense and supported by facts (I wrote half of it lol).
Finally, this is a separated issue from whether Daenerys understood the bells. Tyrion said that directly to her so of course she got it.
Can I restore it?
The definition of AssPull is, by the trope\\\'s entry, \\\"a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the LawOfConservationOfDetail by dropping a plot-critical detail \\\'\\\'in the middle\\\'\\\', or \\\'\\\'near the end\\\'\\\' of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a ChekhovsGun earlier on.\\\"
This lead to another question: is the information dropped \\\"in the middle or near the end of their narrative\\\"? If you define the narrative as just within the episode, then it may arguably count as \\\"early\\\". However, the fact is that it is ~30 minutes between Tyrion\\\'s proposal and the surrender i.e. less than half of the episode. This makes the ChekhovsGun argument less convincing.
It\\\'s also a fact that throughout the entire 7 seasons of the shows and all the novels, there isn\\\'t a single mentioning of bells meaning surrender, despite there have been many city/castle sieges and assaults in both Westeros and Essos (Blackwater, Yunkai, Meereen, Riverrun, Casterly Rock, Highgarden). The show could\\\'ve added a bell sound for had the attacker demand to ring the bells in any of the aforementioned occasions, but it didn\\\'t.
The quote in S02E09 by Ser Davos is that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBYSfnFZKQA \\\"I have never known bells to mean surrender.\\\"]] It is as unambiguous as it could be.
Therefore, I found the original paragraph that you deleted to make sense and supported by facts (I wrote half of it lol).
Finally, this is a separated issue from whether Daenerys understood the bells. Tyrion said that directly to her so of course she got it.
Can I restore it?
