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As for HeirClubForMen, I\'m not sure how much of that is playing into Varys\'s support. But I could be totally missing something. Jon does have a better claim but not because he\'s male -- because he\'s the child of Dany\'s older brother, who\'d come before her in succession even if Rhaegar was female because Rheagar is older. Likewise, any children of Rhaegar\'s would come before Dany, male or female. But I think the show kind of messed this up in the 802 Jon/Dany scene when Dany pointed out Jon was the last \'\'male\'\' heir. [[strike:Still, I see no statements from Varys on Jon\'s gender.]]
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As for HeirClubForMen, I\\\'m not sure how much of that is playing into Varys\\\'s support. But I could be totally missing something (EDIT: I did, sorry about that! See below!). Jon does have a better claim but not because he\\\'s male -- because he\\\'s the child of Dany\\\'s older brother, who\\\'d come before her in succession even if Rhaegar was female because Rheagar is older. Likewise, any children of Rhaegar\\\'s would come before Dany, male or female. But I think the show kind of messed this up in the 802 Jon/Dany scene when Dany pointed out Jon was the last \\\'\\\'male\\\'\\\' heir. [[strike:Still, I see no statements from Varys on Jon\\\'s gender.]]
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As for HeirClubForMen, I\'m not sure how much of that is playing into Varys\'s support. But I could be totally missing something. Jon does have a better claim but not because he\'s male -- because he\'s the child of Dany\'s older brother, who\'d come before her in succession even if Rhaegar was female because Rheagar is older. Likewise, any children of Rhaegar\'s would come before Dany, male or female. But I think the show kind of messed this up in the 802 Jon/Dany scene when Dany pointed out Jon was the last \'\'male\'\' heir. Still, I see no statements from Varys on Jon\'s gender.
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As for HeirClubForMen, I\\\'m not sure how much of that is playing into Varys\\\'s support. But I could be totally missing something. Jon does have a better claim but not because he\\\'s male -- because he\\\'s the child of Dany\\\'s older brother, who\\\'d come before her in succession even if Rhaegar was female because Rheagar is older. Likewise, any children of Rhaegar\\\'s would come before Dany, male or female. But I think the show kind of messed this up in the 802 Jon/Dany scene when Dany pointed out Jon was the last \\\'\\\'male\\\'\\\' heir. [[strike:Still, I see no statements from Varys on Jon\\\'s gender.]]
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\\\'\\\'\\\'EDIT:\\\'\\\'\\\' Now I see, Varys does mention Jon\\\'s gender and acknowledges the sexism of Westerosi society. I elaborated my thoughts in my reply below. Sorry about that! :)
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Revolutionary_Jack: I see what you\'re getting at by going with the words at face value but Varys has witnessed very different things from Robert and Jon. However, you\'re right in that it\'s not outwardly stated beyond what [=RoundRobin=] cited, which is way more indirect. Maybe more voices are needed on this? I\'m fine with the example either way but I think the differences in Robert and Jon being different kinds of {{Reluctant Rulers}} are relevant.
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Revolutionary_Jack: I see what you\\\'re getting at by going with the words at face value but Varys has witnessed very different things from Robert and Jon. However, you\\\'re right in that it\\\'s not outwardly stated beyond what [=RoundRobin=] cited, which is more indirect. Maybe more voices are needed on this? I\\\'m fine with the example either way but I think the differences in Robert and Jon being different kinds of {{Reluctant Rulers}} are relevant.
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Revolutionary_Jack: I see what you\'re getting at by going with the words at face value but Varys has witnessed very different things from Robert and Jon. However, it\'s not outwardly stated beyond what [=RoundRobin=] cited, which is more indirect. Maybe more voices are needed on this? I\'m fine with the example either way but I think the differences in Robert and Jon being different kinds of {{Reluctant Rulers}} are relevant.
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Revolutionary_Jack: I see what you\\\'re getting at by going with the words at face value but Varys has witnessed very different things from Robert and Jon. However, you\\\'re right in that it\\\'s not outwardly stated beyond what [=RoundRobin=] cited, which is way more indirect. Maybe more voices are needed on this? I\\\'m fine with the example either way but I think the differences in Robert and Jon being different kinds of {{Reluctant Rulers}} are relevant.
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As for HeirClubForMen, I\'m not sure how much of that is playing into Varys\'s support. But I could be totally missing something. Jon does have a better claim but not because he\'s male -- because he\'s the child of Dany\'s older brother, who\'d come before her in succession even if Rhaegar was female because Rheagar is older. Likewise, any children of Rhaegar\'s would come before Dany, male or female. But I think the show kind of messed this up in the Jon/Dany scene when Dany pointed out Jon was the last \'\'male\'\' heir. Still, I see no statements from Varys on Jon\'s gender.
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As for HeirClubForMen, I\\\'m not sure how much of that is playing into Varys\\\'s support. But I could be totally missing something. Jon does have a better claim but not because he\\\'s male -- because he\\\'s the child of Dany\\\'s older brother, who\\\'d come before her in succession even if Rhaegar was female because Rheagar is older. Likewise, any children of Rhaegar\\\'s would come before Dany, male or female. But I think the show kind of messed this up in the 802 Jon/Dany scene when Dany pointed out Jon was the last \\\'\\\'male\\\'\\\' heir. Still, I see no statements from Varys on Jon\\\'s gender.
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Revolutionary_Jack: I see what you\'re getting at by going with the words face value but Varys has witnessed very different things from Robert and Jon. Maybe more voices are needed on this? I\'m fine with the example either way but I think the differences in Robert and Jon being different kinds of {{Reluctant Rulers}} is relevant.
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Revolutionary_Jack: I see what you\\\'re getting at by going with the words at face value but Varys has witnessed very different things from Robert and Jon. However, it\\\'s not outwardly stated beyond what [=RoundRobin=] cited, which is more indirect. Maybe more voices are needed on this? I\\\'m fine with the example either way but I think the differences in Robert and Jon being different kinds of {{Reluctant Rulers}} are relevant.
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I don\'t know... I see what you\'re getting at by going with the words face value but Varys has witnessed very different things from Robert and Jon. Maybe more voices are needed on this? I\'m fine with the example either way but I think the differences in Robert and Jon being different kinds of {{Reluctant Rulers}} is relevant.
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Revolutionary_Jack: I see what you\\\'re getting at by going with the words face value but Varys has witnessed very different things from Robert and Jon. Maybe more voices are needed on this? I\\\'m fine with the example either way but I think the differences in Robert and Jon being different kinds of {{Reluctant Rulers}} is relevant.
