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If you\'re saying Kylo \
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If you\\\'re saying Kylo \\\"does come off as\\\" manipulative of Han, then that\\\'s just AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. It\\\'s entirely possible to read him as genuine in that scene--which again, the script confirms. A YMMV trope or interpretation does not belong on the main page. In fact, IIRC there\\\'s an entry exactly for that on TFA\\\'s YMMV page.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and \\\'\\\'\\\'genuinely believes\\\'\\\'\\\' that because of this connection [they share], basically. \\\'\\\'\\\'It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’”\\\'\\\'\\\' Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and \\\'\\\'\\\'genuinely believes\\\'\\\'\\\' that because of this connection [they share], basically. \\\'\\\'\\\'It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’”\\\'\\\'\\\' Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
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If you\'re saying Kylo \
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If you\\\'re saying Kylo \\\"does come off as\\\" manipulative of Han, then that\\\'s just AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. It\\\'s entirely possible to read him as genuine in that scene--which again, the script confirms. A YMMV trope or interpretation does not belong on the main page. In fact, IIRC there\\\'s an entry exactly for that on TFA\\\'s YMMV page.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and \\\'\\\'\\\'genuinely believes\\\'\\\'\\\' that because of this connection [they share], basically. \\\'\\\'\\\'It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’”\\\'\\\'\\\' Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and \\\'\\\'\\\'genuinely believes\\\'\\\'\\\' that because of this connection [they share], basically. \\\'\\\'\\\'It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’”\\\'\\\'\\\' Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
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If you\'re saying Kylo \
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If you\\\'re saying Kylo \\\"does come off as\\\" manipulative of Han, then that\\\'s just AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. It\\\'s entirely possible to read him as genuine in that scene--which again, the script confirms. A YMMV trope or interpretation does not belong on the main page. In fact, IIRC there\\\'s an entry exactly for that one TFA\\\'s YMMV page.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and \\\'\\\'\\\'genuinely believes\\\'\\\'\\\' that because of this connection [they share], basically. \\\'\\\'\\\'It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’”\\\'\\\'\\\' Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and \\\'\\\'\\\'genuinely believes\\\'\\\'\\\' that because of this connection [they share], basically. \\\'\\\'\\\'It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’”\\\'\\\'\\\' Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
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If you\'re saying Kylo \
to:
If you\\\'re saying Kylo \\\"does come off as\\\" manipulative of Han, then that\\\'s just AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. It\\\'s entirely possible to read him as genuine in that scene--which again, the script confirms. A YMMV trope or interpretation does not belong on the main page.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and \\\'\\\'\\\'genuinely believes\\\'\\\'\\\' that because of this connection [they share], basically. \\\'\\\'\\\'It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’”\\\'\\\'\\\' Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and \\\'\\\'\\\'genuinely believes\\\'\\\'\\\' that because of this connection [they share], basically. \\\'\\\'\\\'It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’”\\\'\\\'\\\' Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
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If you\'re saying Kylo \
to:
If you\\\'re saying Kylo \\\"does come off as\\\" manipulative of Han, then that\\\'s just AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. It\\\'s entirely possible to read him as genuine in that scene--which again, the script confirms. A YMMV trope or interpretation does not belong on the main page.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and genuinely believes that because of this connection [they share], basically. It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’” Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
Johnson has said \\\'\\\'various\\\'\\\' quotes about how Kylo is being \\\'\\\'genuine\\\'\\\' in his appeal about her parents. Again: \\\"I think that this is something that he genuinely saw, and genuinely believes that because of this connection [they share], basically. It’s less like, ‘I can use this on her.’ It’s more, ‘Oh my god, we have this in common, this is more of a kindred spirit that even she realizes.’” Kylo is not coldly playing off Rey\\\'s feelings, but making an appeal to what he thinks is a kindred spirit.
That full quote further supports what I said about him not being a ManipulativeBastard. From \\\'\\\'Kylo\\\'s\\\'\\\' point of view, he\\\'s being naked and open--he\\\'s not \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to manipulate her. \\\'\\\'We\\\'\\\' know it\\\'s unhealthy, but \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t. He cannot be that trope because his intentions are genuine. Vader isn\\\'t considered a ManipulativeBastard for making an emotional appeal to Luke to join him, so neither should Kylo.
Again, it\\\'s not healthy, but relationships and feelings can be unhealthy without being manipulative. I\\\'m going to hide the entry until this is resolved.
